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The above appears on the 1891-1911 censuses as Sarah, Sarah J and suddenly Dorothy and as being born 1889 but I can't find a birth record for her. She was the daughter of Walter Adams 1856-1919 and Sarah Elizabeth White 1882-1941; she married Samuel George Relf Q4 1922 Brighton; he died 27 Oct 1931 Wandsworth.
I am unable to find a birth or death record for her?
Cr
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Could this be a second marriage?
Marriages Dec 1933
Relf Sarah A
Alfred Freeman
Eastbourne 2b 191
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Might be groom but on the 1939 register gives dob as 04 Apr 1893 if that is the correct one.
Cr
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Might be groom but on the 1939 register gives dob as 04 Apr 1893 if that is the correct one.
Cr
We can ignore that marriage as it was the Sarah Ann Relf born in Eastbourne.
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Possible last sighting on the 1931 Brighton electoral register (St John's Ward)
20 Lewes Street
Newland, Charles
Newland, Louisa
Relf, Samuel
Relf, Sarah
Appears to be a couple of school admission records for her at King Edward Street C of E, Swindon
Dolly Adams, born 10.5.88
admitted 3 August 1892, parent Mr Adams, residence 5 North Street (as per 1891 census)
admitted 5 November 1894, parent Walter Adams, residence 10 North St, last school Infants
John
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Do you know how Samuel's executor Jessamine Naomi Brooker (widow) fits into the picture?
If she is the Jessamine N Brooker who died in Eastbourne in 1949 aged 61 she'd be much the same age as Sarah/Dorothy.
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Ah, I see that William Brooker married Jessamine N Relf, Mar qtr 1913 Eastbourne.
She was born Jasmine Naomi Relf in Eastbourne in 1886, a sister of Samuel George Relf.
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she married Samuel George Relf Q4 1922 Brighton; he died 27 Oct 1931 Wandsworth
She married Samuel Relf in 1922
Either he didn't use his middle name when he married, or Samuel George Relf is a different person.
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How do you know this is the correct Sarah J Adams?
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The abode of Samuel George Relf (who died at Queen Mary's Hospital, Roehampton on 27.10.1931) was 6 Eshton Rd, Eastbourne - so not an obvious match with Samuel & Sarah Relf of Brighton.
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They seem to have registered Dorothy's sister's birth, but I can't find Dorothy at all!
ADAMS, AGNES BERTHA GEORGINA mother maiden name WHITE
1893 March Quarter
HIGHWORTH
Volume 05A Page 26
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She was the daughter of Walter Adams 1856-1919 and Sarah Elizabeth White 1882-1941
Her mother left a will.
Adams Sarah Elizabeth of 32 Cheltenham street Swindon Wiltshire widow died 25 February 1941
Probate Llandudno 27 June (1941) to Walter William Adams and Frederick Stuart Adams
If you can, it might be worthwhile getting hold of a copy and seeing if daughter Dorothy gets a mention
John
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If they were still in Wiltshire, I wonder why Dorothy returned to Brighton - she can't have had any memories of the town, as they left when she was about a couple of years old?
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Thank you all for your diligent research. I must admit it does seem strange that she married in Brighton and was 34 at that time but we never know how these things work out. As I can find no other marriage or death for her, I don't know what else to think?
Cr
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Hi,
[ Walter Adams 1856-1919 and Sarah Elizabeth White 1882-1941; ) Perhaps you meant 1862?
Have you eliminated the following:
Dorothy was born before the marriage and was registered under her mother's name.
Dorothy died before marriage with death recorded as Dorothy Adams.
Jann
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Sarah was born 2 Jun 1862 and she married Walter Adams Q4 1881 Eastbourne, so Dorothy was born well after their marriage.
Cr
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I've searched under all the combinations I can think of, including just using first names. I wonder if they moved from Brighton to Wiltshire just after her birth and they forgot she hadn't been registered? They appear to have registered all the other children, including her older brother Walter who was born in Eastbourne.
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So it's pretty well established that for some unknown reason Dorothy's birth was never registered.
That leaves the missing death record. Seems like the only stone left unturned is her mother's will which might have some clues - if not answers.
Good luck!
Jann
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I think the will may be the only way, you can get it from here for £10
https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate
I can't find her in the 1939 register either so unless she died before that, it could be that Dorothy remarried or maybe moved in with someone and called herself by their name and that's why we can't find a death either. Or perhaps she went abroad.
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Well I've bitten the bullet and ordered her mother's Will so we will see-sometime in April according to the Will service.
Thank you all for your help.
Cr
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I've alway found they are ready much sooner than they say, usually about a week. Please let us know what it says and we can go from there.
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OK.
Cr
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Have the Will now but she left her property to her sons and bequests of money to her grandchildren, Dorothy isn't mentioned. However I found her recorded as a witness at her brother's wedding in 1908 as Sarah Jane Dorothy Adams.
Cr
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Can I just check, have you got the marriage certificate for Dorothy and Walter Relf - are you 100% sure that it is the right person? I still find it strange that she returned to Brighton when her family remained in Wiltshire.
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1911 census seems to be the last confirmed record of Dorothy then aged 23.
1922 Possible marriage. Dorothy would have been 34.
1941 Date of mother's will. Mother gave land to her sons, money to her grandchildren and nothing to her daughters.
Are the grandchildren mentioned by name?
Given that she signed Sarah Jane Dorothy Adams when she witnessed her brother's wedding. I would assume that was the name she used for any official purpose including her own marriage certificate - if she married.
Don't know how deeply you want to go into this, but possibly/probably her father left a will.
Jann
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I am not going any further into it, she was my 5th cousin, twice removed and I was interested to know what happened to her particularly as we found no birth record for her. Looks like she will remain an enigma until someone of her family turns up with more information?
Cr