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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Merionethshire => Topic started by: Dingaling on Tuesday 21 March 17 09:18 GMT (UK)
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I have a marriage cert of John Evans age 23 (B 1863) Bachelor a general labourer who married Catherine Jones age 21 years (B 1865) Spinster residence for both Penybryn Minera on 15th February 1886. John Evans father John Evans is listed as deceased a General Labourer
and Catherine Jones father is listed as William Jones a General Labourer. The witness were Jane Jones and Enoch Williams
John and Catherine Evans are listed in the 1901 census John Evans born 1863 Corwen Merionethshire and Catherine Jones b 1865 his wife as Minera Denbighshire. There children are John Edward Evans b 1887 Minera, Elizabeth J Evans b 1891 Minera, Gwladys b 1894 Minera and Idris Evans b 1900 Minera.
I am trying to find the early census for John Evans aand his wife Catherine Jones to enable me to further their research. I am not familiar with the welsh towns and parishes and geographic layout so any help that I may receive is grateful.
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1901 1 Berwig Cottages Minerea Wrexham
John Evans 28
Catherine Evans 26
John Edw Evans 4
Elizabeth Jane Evans 10/12
Reg district Wrexham Piece 4616
Folio 85
Page4
Denbigbshire
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Thank you malijibic for the 1901 census details. The early census records seem to be a hit and miss and I feel that the early census records are not complete. One reason why I am having problems finding records.
I have a 1871 census for a William Jones born 1833 Henllan Denbighshire his wife is listed as Elizabeth b 1836 Henllan Denbighshire. Children Margt Jones b 1857 Henllan Denbighshire, Edward Jones b 1862 Minera, Catherine b 1865 Minera Denbighshire and Jane b 1869 Minera Denbighshire and feel strongly that this is the family of Catherine Jones b 1865 Minera.
Looking for the marriage for William Jones and Elizabeth maybe around 1857.
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Hi
Did I give you the 1871 ref before as I have the page marked. It's the only one that fits - especially with sister, Jane.
Aded - also, in 1871, the Jones family are living at PenyBryn :)
Gadget
earlier thread - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766650.0
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If it's any help, there is this marriage
Henllan, Denbighshire. 30 Aug 1856
William Jones, labourer and Elizabeth Evans,. Both of full age.
Witnesses - Thomas Jones and Mary Evans.
All made their mark.
William's father was Edward Jones, labourer and Elizabeth's was Edward Evans, labourer.
Gadget
Added - Elizabeth was at Groes Fawr and William was of Ochr, Bylchan District
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Hi Gadget,
That is a great help I now have parents of William Jones and Elizabeth Evans. So looking for a birth of a Robert William Evans b 1875 North Wales fathers name Robert Evans a farmer. Details from a marriage cert which may be misleading as Robert William Evans entered his christian name as William for the birth of his first two children. :D
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If you can send the link for the 1871 census for Jones family living at Penybryn it would be great.
The Jones family seem to stay in one area but the Evans family of John Evans b 1863 Corwen Merionethshire and his father John Evans (dec) in 1886 is more difficult to locate. Not knowing the Geographic towns and areas of Wales makes it an impossible task for me. :(
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1871 census ref is RG10/5656/100/6
(Penbyn Cottage, Minera)
I used to have a copy of the North Wales parish maps but have mislaid them.
The best source for you might be to go to Genuki, Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal and work through the relevant parishes.
I have the advantage of growing up in the area.
I've had a good look fo John Evans, b. Corwen but not sure of any so far. Will ahve another look tomorrow :)
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Thank you Gadget for your email. Knowing the area is an advantage been looking at records this morning without any luck. I must do the same and rest my eyes. Thank you once again. Kay P
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I found an interesting John Evans and son of the same name,living in the Minera Parish in 1871 too.Father John is given as a Labourer.The only thing to put you off is that John Evans jnr is given as born in c 1861.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi wrjones,
I see from your post that you are researching the same surnames that I am of North Wales so you know of my frustration with the census and parish records. I did see that census which confused me that is one reason why I have asked for help. Many thanks for your input. Cheers Dingaling
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Thats ok,I'm sure Gadget will tell us tomorrow who John Evans married at Llangollen in 1861.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Gadget has helped me so many times with my North Wales Research I am extremely grateful.
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Have to say she has access to a lot of records!
Regards
William Russell Jones
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Have to say she has access to a lot of records!
Regards
William Russell Jones
A lot of Gadget's ancestors came from a lot of North Wales places so the records were needed to trace them ;D
The 1871 one looks interesting, WR, but the family are all born Bryneglwys rather than Corwen. It might be worth tracing then back to 61 and 51 and forward to 1881. Father, John was b. 1834 and sister Ellen Jane b. 1864.
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Anything on the 1861 marriage I was looking at?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Anything on the 1861 marriage I was looking at?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
He was a butcher.
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In my searches yesterday, I did find a John Evans, b.c. 1863 with a mother,Jane. It looked like he was illegitimate but I can't find the record at the moment.
Given that he gave his father's name as John, it could be that he gave his own name as 'father' when asked. My grandfather did the same at his marriage.
Dingaling ~ the problem we have with Corwen is that it was not only a large village and parish but also a much larger registration district, including such parishes as Llangollen, Glynceiriog, etc. . I would think that your John would mean the village or parish rather than the RD, but there's no way of knowing. Is he consistent with birthplace on all the later censuses?
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In 1881:
RG11/5517/102/29
Berwig, Minera
Jane Evans, 45, Wid, b. Minera
John Evans, son, 19, labourer, b. Corwen
This address ties in with the address that malijibic found John and Catherine living at in 1891 - see Reply #1
I'll see if I can find more on Jane.
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I've found a possible baptism for John Evans
8 Feb 1864, Corwen
John Evans, BB( base born), Mother Jane Evans, Workhouse
:'(
I found a similar entry for my grandfather many years ago.
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Thank you for your email and information on John Evans.
What does BB (Base Born) mean.
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What does BB (Base Born) mean.
Base Born means illegitimate. Some vicars/clerks used to use the term.
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I did send a detailed post on Robert William Evans bc 1875 but cant see it on the Corwen Merionthshire Record lisitng.
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Hi Gadget,
That is a great help I now have parents of William Jones and Elizabeth Evans. So looking for a birth of a Robert William Evans b 1875 North Wales fathers name Robert Evans a farmer. Details from a marriage cert which may be misleading as Robert William Evans entered his christian name as William for the birth of his first two children. :D
Is this it - I'm not sure how this one fits with this query . Could you explain :-\
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Sorry if I have confused you. It was good that the surname Evans has come up. My research begins with Robert William Evans bc 1875 North Wales who son was Robert William Evans b 1913 fostered out and cared for by Catherine Evans nee Jones born 1865 Minera Denbighshire. Catherine was married to John Evans b 1863 Corwen Merionethshire. Hope this helps.
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Do you have any more information of Robert William Evans b. 1913 - e.g. where in North Wales he was born and do you have a birth cert for him?
Also, where did you find the details of the fostering?
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I see that you had a thread on Robert Evans last autumn:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755850.0
I'd forgotten about it although I spent some time looking for links ~
See:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755850.msg6062256#msg6062256
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755850.msg6079197#msg6079197
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755850.msg6079309#msg6079309
And onwards.
I assume this was the last info that you have:
After 104 years of not knowing what happened to Baby Robert William (Roy) Evans b 1913 Senghenydd who was fostered out after the death of his father contact has been made with Roys family in NSW Australia. Roy was (cared, fostered, adopted) by his Uncle John Edward Evans. I have the marriage cert of Roy dated 1935 at Rhosllanerchrugog Wales and it names his father as John Edward Evans a labourer and this is all that I know to date except that he was an Uncle.
I have a newspaper clipping of the wedding which gives an address for John Edward Evans as Bryn Madoc Gwynfryn Wales.
I am looking for records that may help me further my research into John E Evans and the Evans family and hopefully connect with the census records.
Does anybody know of Electoral rolls etc that may help identify John Edward Evans alive in 1935.
Gwynfryn is in Minera
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The John E Evans b. 1887 is described as son to John and Catherine Evans of Minera in the censuses.
See earlier posting #1 :
1901 1 Berwig Cottages Minerea Wrexham
John Evans 28
Catherine Evans 26
John Edw Evans 4
Elizabeth Jane Evans 10/12
Reg district Wrexham Piece 4616
Folio 85
Page4
Denbigbshire
NOTE the above census info is from 1891 census - see following post
This would suggest that Roy Evans, b. 1913 was the grandson of John and Catherine Evans.
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I think malijibic was quoting from the 1891 census rather than the 1901 one - just checked and the ref for 1891 is RG12/4616/85/4
In 1901 the family are at Penybont farm - RG13/5223/25/15
John Edward Evans is age 14 and a Horse boy on farm.
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So, it looks like
John Evans b.1863, Corwen (mother probably Jane) m Catherine Jones b Minera (d of Edward Jones and Elizabeth Evans)
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John Edward Evans b. 1887, Minera
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Robert William (Roy) Evans, b. 1913, Senghenydd
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Hi Gadget,
Yes Catherine and John Evans are the adopted and fostered parents of Robert William Evans b 1913 Senghenydd.
I have managed with your help to locate Robert William Evans b 1913 in NSW Australia with his wife Bronwen Lewis and their only child John R L Evans. Unfortunately all are deceased. I managed to connect with a niece on the mothers side (Bronwen Lewis) on Genes United who tried to help their son JRL Evans trace the Evans family but unfortunately without success. I was informed that Catherine Evans the mother of John Edward Evans was a aunt (I say of RW Evans 1913) who adopted or fostered Robert William Evans (Roy) b 1913.) The above information matches the information that was given to me by my mother in law.
My thoughts are if Jane Evans had a child out of wedlock did she have another child later (R W Evans or William Evans).
Are the workhouse records available on line.
Cheers and Thank You
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I have the marriage cert of
John Evans age 23 years a bachelor, General Labourer of Penybryn Minera fathers name John Evans (Dec) a General Labourer
who married on 15th Feb 1886 at The Registry Office of Wrexham County of Flint Denbigh
Catherine Jones age 21 years a Spinster of Penybryn Minera fathers name William Jones a General Labourer. Witnesses Enoch Williams and Jane Jones.
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There's info about the Corwen Workhouse here:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Corwen/
Information of records is at the bottom of page.
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The information that I have on Robert William Evans b 21st October 1913 Senghenyyd Wales.
R W Evans was adopted by an Uncle Joseph Arthur Evans in 1913 and resided in North Wales.
I have a copy of the papers signed by his mother Emma Evans giving up all righst to her son.
R W Evans b 1913 migrated to Australia in the late 1970s to be with his only son.
R W Evans died 1988 and his ashes were taken back to North Wales.
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Update on the Evans Family of Corwen Merionethshire. I was fortunate to find the whereabouts of
Robert William Evans b 1913 Senghenydd who was adopted by his fathers brother Joseph Arthur Evans b 1882 and his wife Elizabeth Annie Jones. I located R W Evans in the 1939 Registry and was able to research and locate R W Evans some 20 miles away in NSW Australia. Unfortunately Robert W Evans died in 1988.
Robert W Evans b 1913 Step father Joseph Arthur Evans died in 1919 at Llanelly and his widow remarried in 1926 to John Edward Evans son of John and Catherine Evans as listed in previous posts.
Joseph Arthur Evans b 1882 Corwen parents are Robert Evans b 1855 Llangower Merioneth and Margaret Thomas b1853 Cynwyd Merioneth. Robert Evans b 1855 the son of Joseph Evans. Margaret Thomas b 1853 the daughter of Humphrey Thomas Cynwyd.
To research my tree I have concentrated on Joseph Arthur Evans b 1882 brother of my husbands Grandfather Robert William Evans b 1875 and brother to Joseph A Evans.
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I'm glad you located him but sad that you weren't able to meet.
Is there anything else that you need about the family?
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Thank you Gadget for your help.
I have Joseph Evans b 1811/2 no place of birth on census who married Ann Williams on 7.9.1833
Llangower. Ann Williams was born 1812 LLanuwchllyn.
Children
Anne Evans b 1833?
Elizabeth Evans b 1836
Jane Evans b 1839 Llangower
Catherine Evans b 1844 Llangower
Jane Evans 1849 Llangower
Robert Evans b 1854 Llangower m Margaret Thomas b 1853 Cynwyd on 14.06.1873 Corwen.
Joseph Evans was deceased. Humphrey Thomas was a Husbandman.
1861 census the family were living at Llangower Uwchafon.
Wanting to know if my research material is correct as so many names criss cross over. :)
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Is this a different family to the one we discussed on this thread?
If it is different it might be better to start a new thread about them.
I'll take a look later today.
Gadget
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I've checked the census records 1841-61 for the family and they seem to match with your information.
1841 - HO107/1430/19/4/2
anne 7
elizabeth 5
1851 HO107/2510/276/4
Catherine 7
Jane 2
1861 RG09/4314/51/9
Jane 12
Robert 6
Also
Marriage - Robert Evans and Margaret Thomas m Q2, 1873 Corwen RD
Gadget
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A possible death for Joseph
Bala RD, Q. q, 11b, 304, 1871. Aged 64.
Burial
Llangower 17 Feb 1871
Joseph Evans of Ceri, aged 64
Gadget
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Anne Evans in 1871
Ceri Cottage, Llangower RG10/5685/50/4
Anne Evans, wid, 61, labourer/s wife, b. Llanwchllyn *
* on the census sheet 'wife' was entered and crossed through and changed to 'widow '
Gadget
Add - 1871 census was held on 2 April 1871 so Joseph had died only 6 or so weeks earlier.
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Possible burial for Anne Evans
Llangower, 29 Oct 1880. Ann Evans, Bala, aged 70.
The minister was a William Hughes of Llanwchllyn.
Gadget
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Thank you Gadget for the deaths of Joseph and Ann Evans and for the census information. Good to know I am on the right track. Yes it is a new thread so will send a new thread. :)
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My husbands direct line is with Robert William Evans born 1875 parents Robert Evans and Margaret Thomas.
I had difficultity in researching Robert William Evans b 1875 who appears in the 1881 census and the 1911 Census it was hit and miss in my research for him.
I had proof that his brother Joseph Arthur Evans b 1882 and his wife Eliza Annie Jones b1886 adopted his son R W Evans b 1913 so it was this family line that I followed and researched.
When Joseph Arthur Evans b 1882 died in 1919 his wife Eliza Annie Evans remarried a John Edward Evans b1886 on 8th April 1925 Wrexham. It is the line of John Edward Evans and his parents John Evans and Catherine Jones that Rootschat has helped me with previously. :-*