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Title: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: isk on Tuesday 21 March 17 21:32 GMT (UK)
I am looking to find more information about this couple.  They died in Glasgow in 1902 and 1905 respectively.  Information from the Death Certificates as follows:
John Lindop  Father: John Lindop  Mother: Elizabeth Talbert
Hannah Wyse Father: Thomas Wyse  Mother: Elizabeth Williscroft

From the 1891 & 1901 census returns, they were born in England, no county or town given, and they do not appear on the 1881 census in Scotland.  Also according to her Death Certificate Hannah Wyse was first married to William Steel.    I do not see anything on Family Search.

Any information would be very much appreciated. isk
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 21 March 17 21:57 GMT (UK)
Any clues as to their years of birth?

1881 England & Wales census has 63 John Lindop's ;D
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: isk on Tuesday 21 March 17 22:08 GMT (UK)
Sorry KGarrad, should have given that information.  According to John Lindop's Death Certificate in 1902 he was 65, giving birth date about 1837 - Hannah Wyse died in 1905 aged 61, giving birth date about 1844.
isk
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 21 March 17 22:36 GMT (UK)
Maybe Hannah in 1851?

Class: HO107; Piece: 2006; Folio: 457; Page: 8
Pear Trees, Fenton,  Staffordshire

Wyse, Thomas  Head  M  44  Painter  b Walton, Staffs
Wyse, Elizabeth  Wife  F  43  b Shelton, Staffs
Wyse, James  Son  M  20  Coal Miner  b Fenton
Wyse, Hannah  Daughter  F  12  Earthenware Painter  b Fenton
Wyse, Ruth  Daughter  F  8  Scholar  b Fenton
Wyse, John  Son  M  2.5(?)  b Fenton
Wooliscroft, Sarah  Niece  F  11  Potter  b Blurton, Staffs
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 21 March 17 22:43 GMT (UK)
I think the ages on the death certs are out - looking at 1891 and 1901 in Glasgow, John was b c1826. this family in 1881 fits the bill

15 Smith St, Fenton, Staffs. all  born there except where stated
John Lindop    55 - b Burslem. Engineer's fitter
Hannah Lindop    43
William Steele    14 - stepson. Potter's assistant
John Steele    8 - stepson
Gertrude Lindop    5
Albert Lindop    1


RG11, 2731, 32, 2
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 21 March 17 22:48 GMT (UK)
LINDOP, GERTRUDE  ELIZABETH      mmn WISE      Order
Q4 1875, STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 244

LINDOP, ALBERT  mmn    WISE      
Q2 1880, STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 257

Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 21 March 17 22:50 GMT (UK)
The Wyse family in 1861 minus Hannah?

Class: RG 9; Piece: 1940; Folio: 87; Page: 22
6 Pear Trees, Fenton, Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire

Wyse, Thomas  Head  M  55  Printer  b Basidy, Staffs
Wyse, Elizabeth  Wife  F  55  b Hanby, Staffs
Wyse, Ruth  Daughter  F  18  Potter's Lathe Turner  b Fenton
Wyse, John  Son  M  12  Horse Driver at Iron Furnace  b Fenton
Wooliscroft, Sarah  Niece  F  21  Potter's Transferer  b Blurton
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 21 March 17 22:53 GMT (UK)
John appears to have had a previous family

1871 - Fenton

John Lindop    47 - widower b Burslem. Engine turner
Elizabeth Warrilow    23 - daughter, married, b Crewe [occupation related to pottery - can;t read it]
Dinah Lindop    17 - daughter, unmarried, b Hanley [occupation related to pottery - can;t read it
Samuel Lindop    15 - son b hanley. apprentice fitter
William Lindop    10 - son b Fenton
John Warrilow    3 - grandson b Joiners Square
Gertrude Warrilow    1 - granddaughter b Glasgow
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Tuesday 21 March 17 22:57 GMT (UK)
1871 - Fenton

Hannah Steele    32 - widow, potter's painter
James Steele    7
William Steele    3

RG10, 2872, 112, 54
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: isk on Tuesday 21 March 17 23:25 GMT (UK)
There is no indication on John Lindop's Death Certificate of a previous marriage but it is entirely possible.  I must look into the birth of little Gertrude Warrilow born in Glasgow in 1870 from the 1871 census. Gertrude Elizabeth born in Stoke on Trent in 1875 died in Glasgow of Phthisis, aged 19, and Albert born in 1880 married in Glasgowand died there in 1946. 

I want to thank each of you for all this information and your interest.  isk
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 22 March 17 19:53 GMT (UK)
Gertrude Warrillow
Birth     18 Oct 1869, Central District, Glasgow
Father:    William Warrillow
Mother:    Elisabeth Lindop

sadly I think she may have died in 1871 - registered as Mary Gertrude

the Warrillows  do seem to be regulars in scotland. Here's 1881 - 3 entries away from John and Hannah Lindop, with the 3 younger children all born Glasgow.

Elizth. Warrilow    33 - married, b Crewe
John Warrilow    13
Arthur Warrilow    9
Elizth. Warrilow    7
Olive Warrilow    1

RG11, 2731, 32, 2

1891 - 60 Albert St, Glasgow

William Warrilow    44 - pottery cratemaker b England
Elizth L Warrilow    43
John Warrilow    23
Arthur Warrilow    19
Levia Warrilow    12
Frank Warrilow    2 - son b Glasgow
Nellie D Warrilow    7 Mo - daughter b Glasgow
Sarah D Warrilow    19 - daughter in law

This helped me find William in 1881 - a visitor in Glasgow. I guess somehow he;s been recruited from the Staffordshire potteries to some in Glasgow?
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: isk on Wednesday 22 March 17 23:29 GMT (UK)
Once again very many thanks for your interest.  I will follow the Scottish records next week at the Genealogy Centre in Glasgow. isk
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 23 March 17 01:04 GMT (UK)
Census states John Lindop bc.1825 Burslem, Staffordshire.

His baptism is on familysearch but his father was not a John.

John Lindop bp.1/2/1824 Burslem, Staffordshire, son of Joshua and Elizabeth.

Parents marriage - Joshua Lindop married Elizabeth Talbot 18/4/1808 Dawley Magna, Shropshire

Children: William 1808 Newcastle under Lyme, Staffs.
              Samuel 1810           ditto
              Sarah 1812             ditto
              Mary 1814     Burslem, Staffs.
              Ann 1819          ditto
              Joshua 1821      ditto
              John 1/2/1824   ditto
Full date of baptisms on familysearch.

Annette
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 23 March 17 02:07 GMT (UK)
1851 Census - Stoke upon Trent, Staffs.

Joshua Lindop   64     Engine Fitter        born Wrexham, Denbighshire
Elizabeth Lindop   64
John Lindop son   27   marr.   Engine Fitter    born Burslem, Staffordshire
Eliza Lindop  25   dau. in law                         born Hanley, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Lindop 3  granddaughter                 born Crewe, Cheshire

Three year old Elizabeth's birth on GRO Index shows mothers maiden name as Pope.

John Lindop married an Eliza Pope  5/8/1844 Stoke on Trent and certificate (on FindMyPast) confirms his father was Joshua and hers was Richard Pope.   However, his other children with Eliza show their mmn as Simpson!    Did this first Eliza die and he remarried to another Eliza (or not - I cannot find a marriage to an Eliza Simpson).    A mystery to unravel for you.

Annette
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: isk on Thursday 23 March 17 05:46 GMT (UK)
Annette, thank you for this.  Isn't it always the same, one answer just leads to another question, but that may be why we do this.  I am grateful for your help.  isk 🙂 🙂
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 23 March 17 20:10 GMT (UK)
Did this first Eliza die and he remarried to another Eliza (or not - I cannot find a marriage to an Eliza Simpson).    A mystery to unravel for you.


William, the youngest on 1861 has mmn Pope!
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 23 March 17 20:23 GMT (UK)
Looks like Eliza's fater went under two surnames

Baptisms in the Wesleyan Chapel, Hanley

John Pope    
Baptism    7 Jun 1818
Father   Richard Pope, potter
Mother Hannah Chetwin

George Simpson    
Baptism    16 Nov 1819

Thomas Simpson    
Baptism    6 Apr 1823    [born October 1822]

Dinah Simpson    
Baptism    6 Apr 1823

Father    Richard Simpson, potter
mother Hannah, daughter of Joseph and Dinah Chetwin

In a different collection, but presumably the same couple

Eliza Simpson
Baptism     10 May 1825, Hanley
Father:    Richard Simpson
Mother:    Hannah
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 23 March 17 20:29 GMT (UK)
Married as Pope

Richard Pope
Hannah Chetwin
Marriage    17 Aug 1817, Norton In The Moors, Stafford

wonder if this is a sibling of Richard's?

Eliza Simpson Pope
Marriage    8 Sep 1833, Hanley
Spouse:    Joseph Ogden
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 23 March 17 21:24 GMT (UK)
There are actually a few X Simpson Popes around the area at that time
Title: Re: John Lindop and Hannah Wyse
Post by: isk on Friday 24 March 17 08:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you Mabel.  I really appreciate this information and over the weekend I will have time to put it together with the information I have of the family in Scotland.   isk