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I'm trying to trace down ship departure date from Sri Lanka back to the UK the Ship is called "Empire Clyde"
i know this left liverpool to colombo on 19th July 1955 and I'm trying to find out when it went back.
any help or pointing in the right direction would be great.
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The ship arrived in Liverpool from Hong Kong on 23 September 1955. So it must have gone to Hong Kong (possibly other ports) after Colombo.
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She was a troopship at this point in her life.
Search the National Archives for "Empire Clyde" and several documents are found.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=3&_q=%22empire+clyde%22&_p=1950
Also found this:
http://www.britisharmedforces.org/pages/nat_troopships.htm
and from Hansard:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1955/mar/09/shipping-hmt-empire-clyde
and:
http://www.rafseletar.info/How%20we%20got%20to%20Seletar/Empire%20Clyde.html
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You get lots of hits from Google on "HMT Empire Clyde."
As she was a troopship you may also get some dates and details if you search using the regiment or corps that your man was serving with; some regimental museums may even have dated photos available.
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im researching my family history, i can see 4 member of my family went out but cannot find any sign of them returning, although i know they did. I'm trying to figure out if they all came back or if just one person.
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Anchor Line archives are in Glasgow University Library.
Incoming passenger lists are on Ancestry. I can't find a way to search by ship's name but there's a reasonably effective search by passenger name. I'd avoid searching by port of departure as it seems that Empire Clyde would have called at several ports and only the first would show in the search.
What names and units are you looking for? Do you know they sailed outbound on the Empire Clyde? It's reasonably unlikely they would return as passengers on the same vessel.
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I do have ancestry and can confirm them going out on 19/7/1955 on the empire Clyde from Liverpool, I have the passenger list. But I cannot find them coming back. It is a family of a mother and three children.
The mother is Phyllis Owen, and the children are Annette Christine, Gordon Richard and Spencer Terenece
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I haven't found the family group together in incoming passenger lists, though I haven't explored all search possibilities. There are some possible Phyllis Owen hits, though. Have you discounted these?
And I wouldn't discount the Service connection - trace the father through his unit? Do you know who he was, rank, unit?
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Her husband as far as we can see was not in the forces but her father was, but he would have been 57 around this time we also have him on the 1939 registrar saying he's an unemployed labourer. His number is 36893 unit: Northumberland fusiliers rank:private
I can't find any record of her husband, his name Anthony derrick Owen
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Curious... as this was a troopship I'd expect her to be travelling with her husband on a posting. Very unlikely she'd be with her father on duty, but presumably her father was no longer serving by this time.
Of course Anthony's records with the services (if you're mistaken and he did serve) will still be with the MoD, so not much will show online.
Sudden thought which may be wrong - I wonder if troopships had separate manifests for service personnel and civilians?
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That's why it's confused me, can I get hold of his records do you know?
Thank you so much for your help, even just batting ideas with someone else releases the stress :)
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https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/overview is how you get Service records. Need to be sure he's deceased - so perhaps some searching in the US records is needed. Lots of links for that on www.cyndislist.com and also familysearch.
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I'm trying to trace down ship departure date from Sri Lanka back to the UK the Ship is called "Empire Clyde"
i know this left liverpool to colombo on 19th July 1955 and I'm trying to find out when it went back.
any help or pointing in the right direction would be great.
Attached movements of EMPIRE CLYDE 1955. Although she came back from that voyage to Liverpool on 23/Sept/1955 I doubt very much your family would be on board.
They could have returned on any vessel at any time, or even have flown back. Keep digging.
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According to the outbound passenger list they were intending to reside in Ceylon for more than 12 months. You should not expect them to be doing a round trip on the same ship.
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We forgot to say "Welcome to Rootschat", amyjane5826
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Ships never seemed to travel to Ceylon. The stopped there to let passengers disembark or embark. Depending on he nationality of the ship's registration a ship could go on to Australia or somewhere else or in my case the "Oranje" with me as a young boy stopped in Ceylon, then Malaya letting my mother and I off and continued to Batavia, Java, Netherland East Indies. "Oranje" was a Dutch registered ship.