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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: billbir on Wednesday 22 March 17 17:06 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me find census details for the above. He married a Christina Clark in January QTR 1901, but he was in the Northumberland Fusillers, so he may have been in barracks. I have tried Ancestry and FindMyPast, without success. Any help would be much appreciated.
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There was a Percy Pearson in India in 1911 with the 1st Northumberland Fusiliers
Stan
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There was a Percy Pearson in India in 1911 with the 1st Northumberland Fusiliers
Stan
Hi Stan,
Yes, I know that but I cannot find his whereabouts, (or his wife's) in the 1901 census. According to the 1911 census, she was married, but living with someone else, no doubt while her hubby, was in India. It says that she had 9 children, with only 6 surviving, but most of them went to the York Workhouse, presumably as the husband had been posted to India, and she could not cope.
Bill
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The 1st Northumberland Fusiliers were in South Africa in 1901, for the Boer War.
Stan
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The 1st Northumberland Fusiliers were in South Africa in 1901, for the Boer War.
Stan
Hi Stan,
He was married in the 1st Qtr of 1901 to Christina Clark, but perhaps he was on leave. They had 9 children so Christina's 1911 census says, so sometime between 1901 and 1911, he must have been in the UK. According to the death Cert of one of his children Edward James b1902 he died in Newcastle in 1902 and his father was a Painter and Decorator at the time. Perhaps he dropped out of the Army, tried Civvy Street, didn't like it and re-enlisted before 1911.
Bill
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his probate register entry notes he was otherwise known as Percy James Lee - and had another wife
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his probate register entry notes he was otherwise known as Percy James Lee - and had another wife
Hi Mabel,
His probate is a bit misleading as he left his small amount to the lady who he lodged with, who happens to be my Grandfather's widow. He was Harold William Pearson and died in November 1931.
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I think your best move is to get the 1901 marriage cert and see what info that gives you - address etc.
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Was Harold his brother? there's a Harold W in the right area on 1891 with brother Percy J aged 9 b Islington
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The 9 children may not have been his - the Robert Quinn she is living with may well be their father.
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I think your best move is to get the 1901 marriage cert and see what info that gives you - address etc.
I have the Marriage cert. they were married in York at the Church of the English Martyrs. No help as still cannot find the 1901 census details.
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Was Harold his brother? there's a Harold W in the right area on 1891 with brother Percy J aged 9 b Islington
Yes, that is correct. He is my grandfather on my mother's side and Percy is my grand uncle.
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The 9 children may not have been his - the Robert Quinn she is living with may well be their father.
Florence Quinn's mother is Clark, birth registered in York March ¼ 1910.
Stan
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I think your best move is to get the 1901 marriage cert and see what info that gives you - address etc.
I have the Marriage cert. they were married in York at the Church of the English Martyrs. No help as still cannot find the 1901 census details.
Does it give their addresses? His occupation? Who are witnesses?
If the marriage was in Jan/Feb/Mar and 1901 census was taken 31March/1st April, they didn't have a lot of time to have moved. Unless he immediately went abroad for the Boer War with his regiment as already mentioned, and she went with him as a "follower".
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I think your best move is to get the 1901 marriage cert and see what info that gives you - address etc.
I have the Marriage cert. they were married in York at the Church of the English Martyrs. No help as still cannot find the 1901 census details.
Does it give their addresses? His occupation? Who are witnesses?
If the marriage was in Jan/Feb/Mar and 1901 census was taken 31March/1st April, they didn't have a lot of time to have moved. Unless he immediately went abroad for the Boer War with his regiment as already mentioned, and she went with him as a "follower".
They were married 29 Jan 1901. His address was York, Barracks. Christiana's was 10 Swann St., York ( Swann is my guess as not totally clear).Witnesses were Joseph and Sarah Jane Clarke. Percy was 20 and Christiana 19 and it was an RC marriage. His occupation was Corporal in the 5th Fusiliers, she had no indicated occupation. She did not become a 'Follower' and I believe that after the marriage he left the Army and moved with his Wife and 1st son to Northumberland, where the son died of Pneumonia etc.,On the sons death cert., Percy's occupation was given as Painter and Decorator. I hope that this helps.
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But I thought the time immediately after the marriage i.e 1901 census time, was a mystery as to where they were? So how do you know they weren't both with the Northumberland fusiliers at the Boer War?
And then returned to Northumberland before the birth and death of child in 1902.
And then at some point between 1902 and 1911 she moved in with Quinn and had several more children.
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Bill,
Regarding Percy and the Army. He joined up in 1899 but somewhere between then and the early 1900's he appears to have deserted which 'might' explain the missing 1901 information. He went back in 1906 when they re-started his service from the 8th May; even the Army are vague about what happened to him. He left the Army in 1915 after suffering rheumatic fever. That might have a bearing on the allusive 'missing children' because it was against the law not to register births with only still born slipping under the radar. They might have got away with one but there is potentially three with no record at all.
Alan
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But I thought the time immediately after the marriage i.e 1901 census time, was a mystery as to where they were? So how do you know they weren't both with the Northumberland fusiliers at the Boer War?
And then returned to Northumberland before the birth and death of child in 1902.
And then at some point between 1902 and 1911 she moved in with Quinn and had several more children.
We are talking about a 1 year window and I have not found any census records for 1901, so the answer must be I do not!
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Bill,
Regarding Percy and the Army. He joined up in 1899 but somewhere between then and the early 1900's he appears to have deserted which 'might' explain the missing 1901 information. He went back in 1906 when they re-started his service from the 8th May; even the Army are vague about what happened to him. He left the Army in 1915 after suffering rheumatic fever. That might have a bearing on the allusive 'missing children' because it was against the law not to register births with only still born slipping under the radar. They might have got away with one but there is potentially three with no record at all.
Alan
Hi Alan,
The marriage certificate dated 29 Jan 1901 shows his address as the York Barracks. Why would it say that if he had 'deserted'?
Bill
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Bill,
If Percy had gone to South Africa for the Boer War he would have received a medal for just going which he did not.
Alan
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Bill,
His marriage in the January said he was in York Barracks but with his new wife by the time the census came around he could have deserted as the 1902 birth of Edward says 'paperhangar'. The National Archives says the Army believe he deserted and his service was started afresh in 1906.
Alan
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Bill,
His marriage in the January said he was in York Barracks but with his new wife by the time the census came around he could have deserted as the 1902 birth of Edward says 'paperhangar'. The National Archives says the Army believe he deserted and his service was started afresh in 1906.
Alan
Hi Alan,
I hear what you say, but what puzzles me is how he was able to re-enlist in the Army if he was a Deserter. Surely, that was a serious military crime? Also, I know that he worked for some time at the War Office, which once again would be a strange job for a Deserter. You may be correct, but at the moment, I am a little sceptical.
Bill
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Bill,
The National Archives says 'believed to have deserted' so after joining in 1899 it all becomes very vague including his life and for what ever reason he is back in the Army and gets no credit for previous service and they start him afresh in May 1906 until he leaves in 1915. As we all know dealing with Percy, nothing ever seemed straight forward.
Alan
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Bill,
To start closing some loopholes in our Percy's life. His daughter, Emily Pearson died in the Nazareth House Home in Middlesborough from pneumonia on the 15th April 1916.
The Richard Quinn daughter, Florence actually married in 1930 on the 21st April using the Pearson surname. She died in 1997 and her husband, Henry Bramma in 1984.
Alan
We WILL get there eventually.
Have you picked up the brother of Percy that people have missed, Tom born 1884, Died 1885.
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Bill,
To start closing some loopholes in our Percy's life. His daughter, Emily Pearson died in the Nazareth House Home in Middlesborough from pneumonia on the 15th April 1916.
The Richard Quinn daughter, Florence actually married in 1930 on the 21st April using the Pearson surname. She died in 1997 and her husband, Henry Bramma in 1984.
Alan
We WILL get there eventually.
Have you picked up the brother of Percy that people have missed, Tom born 1884, Died 1885.
Hi Alan,
Yes, I did know all that. Florence did not know that she was not a Pearson until quite late on. I also know Walter Bramma, Florence's son. Thanks, I have now picked up the 'new' Pearson.
Bill
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Bill,
Do you need a copy of Tom's birth certificate for your collection. I am currently awaiting another 'possible' for the family later this week.
Alan
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Bill,
Do you need a copy of Tom's birth certificate for your collection. I am currently awaiting another 'possible' for the family later this week.
Alan
Hi Alan,
Yes, that is very kind of you to offer.
Regards
Bill
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Bill,
Are you still on the Wiluna address.
Alan
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Alan,
Yes, but all lowercase and ending icloud.com
Bill