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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Deesider on Wednesday 22 March 17 20:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi, Can anyone help?
I have the following family in the 1911 census
Residents of a house 19 in Knockaunranny (Slieveaneena, Galway)
Catherine Addley aged 82, Head Of Family
John Addley aged 50 Son
Bridget Addley aged 44 Daughter in Law
Catherine Addley aged 12 Grand Daughter
James Addley aged 11, Grandson
Mary Addley aged 7 Grand Daughter
Julia Addley aged 5 Grand Daughter
Michael Addley aged 3 Grandson
Margt Addley aged 1 Grand daughter
Can any one please tell me where the top 5 people were living in the 1901 census of Ireland?
I guess the mother Catherine may have been living at a different address than her son in 1901 and I have seen the Addley surname sprlt in a number of ways including Audley
Thanks in anticipation of your help
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Looks to be them in same location, different house number, albeit transcribed as Duddley:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Slieveneena/Knockaunranny/1376536/
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Well found scotmum. Name is written as AUDDLEY but can see why the transcriber put Duddley. Catherine's signature looks like Auddey.
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Scotman & Josey
Many thanks for finding them in the 1901 censud. I had tried Several different variations of the surname but not Duddley
Many thanks for your help
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Scotman
I've been called 'scotsmum' on two other threads this evening, but you win the prize for being different ;D
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scotmum,
Please accept my apology for the mistake
Regards The wirral Way
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Looks to be them in same location, different house number, albeit transcribed as Duddley:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Slieveneena/Knockaunranny/1376536/
BTW Not house numbers, Census form numbers
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002386868/
Probably the same house.
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Just to note
John AUDLEY m Bridget REILLY Feb 17 1896 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10482/5817730.pdf)
Both AUDLEY & REILLY are spelt in many ways through their children's birth records
www.irishgenealogy.ie
There are two further births in 1912 Peter and 1914 Norah
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Sinann,
Many thanks for the additional information
My luck!
Thanks for your reply I have been using irishgenealogy website and think it is the best website for births marriages and deaths in ireland.
The reason for my original request was that I had a Patrick Audley who emigrated to America in 1908 and the evidence suggests he was part of the family I quoted in the 1911 census. The link that scotmum provided shows this Patrick Audley in the 1901. The only difficulty is that Patrick was aged 34 in the 1901 census and aged 30 when he entered America in 1908!!!
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Ages were only as good as memories back then unless you had some thing to reference and literacy levels didn't help
John AUDLEY as on the census return given was 50 in 1911 and 40 in 1901 which is consistent => b.1861
If you look at his marriage record he is shown as 24 in 1896
His baptism record is in Moycullen on Jul 21 1861 LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634195#page/25/mode/1up)
There are siblings
Bridget May 16 1858
Judith Mar 04 1860
Michael Mar 15 1863
Patrick Mar 12 1865 this would make him 36 in 1901
Peter Aug 02 1868
James Mar 17 1871
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Hi myluck!
Many thanks for your last message.
Did you get the information about John's siblings from the irishgenealogy website or from the Catholic Registers at NLI website?
With regard to sibling Patrick in particular; from the irish genealogy website I have two possible birth registrations for him namely
1) As Patrick Audly born 15th March 1865 (slightly different date from you) and
2) As Pat Audly born 1st April 1867.
The also appears to be the death registration of a Pat Adly in 1867 aged 0 in Galway Registration District (familysearch website). I had assumed that this death registration was of 2) above and 1) must have died earlier!! Surely a family would not have two children alive at the same time one called Patrick and the other called Pat.
When Patrick emigrated to America his passage was paid for by his sister I cannot clearly make out her name possibly J Reilly. So it is probably his sister Judith, I need time to try and find a record for her marriage
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Surely a family would not have two children alive at the same time one called Patrick and the other called Pat.
The Wirral Way
This possibility was more common than you might think, and there are several rootschatters who have posted of such happenings before.
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I did a search on the paid site rootsireland.ie and double checked on the NLI
The date difference by a few days is not unusual. I have relatives that were baptised before they were officially born!!
Not sure on two children being named Patrick but you do come across it in some families.
You would have to get the official death certificate to be confirm
Interesting that John's wife Bridget was a REILLY
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20th Aug 1857 marriage of James Audley and Catherine Faherty
right hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634195#page/62/mode/1up
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Hi scotmum, myluck! and dathai;
Many thanks to all of you for your reply to my lasy question.
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Scotmum,
I have been thinking about your comment that it was not uncommon for Irish families to have two living children with the same name.
Does this occur with all Christian names or is it specific to the names Pat and Patrick?
Regards
The Wirral Way
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This occurs with many names
I know a living family with four girls all with the first name Mary followed by a second name
i.e. Mary Theresa, Mary Bridget, etc. without privacy issues I hope ;)
In some cases land passed on to the same named person in the next generation
so John MURPHY would name a number of sons John,
as John Michael, John Joseph, John James etc, to ensure one John would survive to adulthood
Also as respect to a parent/ancestor, and to keep a family name, the same practice was employed
I feel it is unusual to name two children a single name while both were alive;
I have come across a Sean and John in the same family (one being the Irish and one the English of the same same name)
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myluck!
Thanks for the information
REgards
The Wirral Way
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Hi All,
The information in my initial message about Patrick Audley came from imigration records on entry into the USA in 1908. He gave his last place of Abode as Moycullen, Ireland.
I have now found two other people (female) with the Audley Surname who entered into America on the same day in 1904 and were therefore presumably sisters. They both gave their last place of abode as Moycullen, Ireland and like Patrick were heading to a sister living in Washington DC.
They are Annie Audley aged 19 in 1904 and Norah Audley aged 24 in 1904
Can anybody tell me where these two people were in the 1901 census of Ireland. I have tried what are to me the obvious miss spellings of the surname but I am perhaps missing the obvious.
Thanks in anticipation of your help
Regards
The Wirral Way
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I don't see an immediate census return but...
Robert ADDILLY m Mary MOLONEY on Jul 30 1879 in Killannin/Rosscahill
LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634180#page/36/mode/1up) to church record
I can see no civil record
They had at least four children - baptisms in Kilanin that are free online only go up to 1880
bap. Dec 26 1880 Honoria LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634180#page/36/mode/1up) Mother shown as Ellen McDONAGH which I think is incorrect as same as sponsor
bap. Aug 15 1883 Sarah ADDILLY
bap. Mar 12 1885 Anne ADDILY
bap. Sept 18 1887 Patrick ADDILLY
This family does not seem to have census returns or civil records but does match the information in your request
Someone else may be able to locate them officially!! ;D
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I don't see an immediate census return but...
Robert ADDILLY m Mary MOLONEY on Jul 30 1879 in Killannin/Rosscahill
LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634180#page/36/mode/1up) to church record
I can see no civil record
They had at least four children - baptisms in Kilanin that are free online only go up to 1880
bap. Dec 26 1880 Honoria LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634180#page/36/mode/1up) Mother shown as Ellen McDONAGH which I think is incorrect as same as sponsor
bap. Aug 15 1883 Sarah ADDILLY
bap. Mar 12 1885 Anne ADDILY
bap. Sept 18 1887 Patrick ADDILLY
This family does not seem to have census returns or civil records but does match the information in your request
Someone else may be able to locate them officially!! ;D
There is this family in 1901 in Park
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Wormhole/Park/1395182/
Kate?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02365/1883312.pdf
Patrick 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02534/1938651.pdf
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Very good Sinann
The variants in the name and lack of consistent registration is difficult to keep up with
The church records show another ADDILLY family
Pat ADDILLY & Bridget HYNES ahd at least three children baptised in Kilanin/Tuam around the same period
1876 Anne; also has a civil record as ADLEY; LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03052/2119067.pdf) # 265
1878 Lawrence
1880 Sabina ; also has a civil record transcribed as ANDLY & AUDLY LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1881/02837/2039977.pdf) # 87
But this family does not seem to appear on the 1901 or 1911 census either, I think ;)
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If that is the correct family in Wormhole in 1901 - this is them in 1911 LINK (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Wormhole/Park/471742/)
It shows the son Patrick as 24 and married with two children which does not tie in with the original request
Patrick AUDLEY m Mary WALSH Jan 30 1908 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10047/5654660.pdf)
There are birth records up to 1915 online
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It begs the question were Patrick, Norah and Annie going to the same sister in Washington?
You could have a group of cousins in Washington.
Wirral do you have the name of the sister in Washington?
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Hi myluck! and Sinann,
Firstly I have now managed to identify Patrick Audley in the 1910 US Federal Census although his surname is recorded as Adittley!! He is recorded in the census as 'brother in Law' and living with John and Bridget Kelly in Sherman Avenue Washington DC. So Bridget was his sister which myluck! managed to identify in an earlier message
The sister Norah and Annie were heading for a Mrs U J Whelan, 257, 37th Street, Washington DC,
I have found another sister who emigrated to the USA in 1902 her name was Sarah Audley aged 19 and was heading for her sister recorded as Maggie Whelan at 257, 37th Street, Washington DC
Please accept my apologies I have not read as yet your messages of today. (I have been looking after my 19 month old Grandson all day today; great fun but tyring) I will read them tomorrow after looking after the grandson again!! My immediate next step is to transcribe the 1910 census for Patrick Audley, having found it I do not want to lose it!!
Regards
The Wirral Way
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I wonder if the U J Whelan could be M J Whelan
Possible Marriage 1891
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X218-3QC
Daughter born 1895 both parents born Ireland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F75G-LH3
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There is also a possible marriage for Bridget AUDLEY on Apr 01 1891 LINK (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X21Z-K88)
The 1910 census states that they had three children, all deceased - this is probably one LINK (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Akelly~%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22washington%20dc%22~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1891-1909~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Akelly~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Abridget~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aaudley~)
based on the connections found you have
Patrick AUDLEY (30) who travelled in 1908 on the 1910 census with his sister
Bridget AUDLEY KELLY (31 in 1910) , who had married John KELLY on Apr 01 1891 in Washington
and emigrated 1887
Separate there are
Sarah AUDLEY (19) who emigrated in 1902 and went out to her sister
Maggie AUDLEY WHELAN (26 in 1900 ?) of 257 37th Street, Washington DC
Norah AUDLEY (24) who emigrated in 1904 andher sister
Annie AUDLEY (19) who went out to Mrs U J WHELAN of 257 37th Street, Washington DC
What is now needed is a definitive connection between all six people
If the connection is with parents Robert ADDILLY and Mary MOLONEY previously given
and DoBs are good match for Patrick 1878, Annie 1880, Sarah 1883 and Honoria/Norah 1885
There is a death in 1900 of a widower named Robert AUDLEY LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05742/4621400.pdf) #119
This would imply both parents were deceased before 1901 and would explain not being on the census
I will look again for a Bridget and Margaret/Maggie
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This is pure supposition but worth considering
Robert AUDLEY m Bridget HURNEY on Feb 24 1857 in Moycullen LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634195#page/62/mode/1up)
There is the birth of a Margaret ADLY on March 03 1871 to Robert ADLY & Bridget HURNY LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1871/03306/2211543.pdf) #50
Also Bridget AUDLEY on Jan 03 1866 to Robert AUDLEY & Bridget HURNEY LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03538/2302194.pdf) #320
There is a death in 1875 of a Bridget ADLEY aged 39 - unfortunately not yet online freely available
but if this is the first wife of Robert; it would tie in nicely for him having a second marriage in 1879
The death age implies bc1836 which would look good for a 1857 marraige at 21
I would expect more births between 1857 and 1875 but still looking
Also if the Robert who died in 1900 was their father the informant was a John GRIFFIN son-in-law
This would imply another daughter who lived to adulthood and married
This would make Margaret & Bridget half-sisters to Patrick, Annie, Sarah and Honoria/Norah
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Hi Sinann and myluck!
Many thanks for all your messages over the last couple of Days
At the moment I do not believe Patrick has the same parents as Sarah, Annie and Norah for the following reason. When Patrick entered the USA in 1908 he had to enter on the imigration papers a relative back in Ireland where he gave the name of his Mother 'Catherine Audley' So he is definately the Patrick Auddley (or Duddley) in House 13 in Knockaunrany (Slieveneena, Galway) in 1901.
I do not see that Sarah, Annie and Norah are part of the above family. The three of them are obviously sisters as they were all heading for the same person in Washington DC namely Maggie Whelan formerly Audley
You have both given me a lot of information which I will now need to ascimilate it all into my master file about the Audley Family Of Galway. At the moment I have about 24 separate families within Galway with the information you have given me I should be able to join a number of them together.
Please accept my apologies in advance if I don't respond to your messages as promptly as I would like; my time to look at Family History is somewhat limited but will get there in the end.
By the way my surname is Audley
Regards
The Wirral Way
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No problem.
Best of luck matching all those Audleys and variations
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Are you doing every Audley family in Ireland?
That's Galway and Waterford done and if I remember correctly you had already done Kilkenny.
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Hi myluck! and Sinann
I am a member of the 'Guild of one-name studies' ( http://one-name.org/ ) and I make all my research freely available to others through my website www.audleyfamilyhistory.com .
On the website I have information about 27 different branches of the Audley Family.
I was looking at the Audley Family of Waterford in 2016 as I was contacted by a member of that Audley Family who currently lives in Australia so I have (with the help of Rootschat) helped her research he family history.
The research of the Audley Family of Kilkenny was undertaken in the 1930s but never published so I have taken that research and published it on my website.
I am now in contact with a member of the Audley Family of Galway who lives in Kansas City hence my renewed interest in Galway.
If you are interested to see to what you are contributing towards take a look at 'Audley Family M' on www.audleyfamilyhistory.com
Thanks for all your help
Regards
The Wirral Way