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Hannah Bovis & John Dumbrill married by licence 1738. Hannah was of Westham and John OTP.
I am unable to locate Hannah after her marriage and hope for some assistance.
Westy
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Where did they marry?
(You mentioned Westham - googling directs me to West Ham)
Presumably to get to Hannah and John's marriage you must have done so via one of their children?
Births of children are likely to be the only records you will find for the couple at this time before useful censuses unless they were prominent people, land or property owners, or generally had money. :)
What were you expecting or hoping to find about Hannah?
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Hannah Bovis & John Dumbrill married by licence 1738. Hannah was of Westham and John OTP.
I am unable to locate Hannah after her marriage and hope for some assistance.
Westy
Which Hannah are we talking about here? Did Hannah Wallas remarry?
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Where did they marry?
(You mentioned Westham - googling directs me to West Ham)
Presumably to get to Hannah and John's marriage you must have done so via one of their children?
Births of children are likely to be the only records you will find for the couple at this time before useful censuses unless they were prominent people, land or property owners, or generally had money. :)
What were you expecting or hoping to find about Hannah?
I think this may be the one....
Name John Dumbrill
Spouse's Name Hannah Bovis
Event Date 23 Sep 1738
Event Place Laughton,Sussex,England
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Yes solidrock, that is the one.
This Hannah is the daughter of Thomas Bovis [various] 1667 - 1743 and Hannah Wallace [various] [? - 1717].
Thomas's son Thomas [my 7th great grandfather 1698/99 - 1763] married Hannah Wenburn [1702 - ?] 1723 Guestling. Thomas & Hannah's son James [my 6th great grandfather 1727 - 1798] married Sarah Unstead.
As to the spelling of Westham; I have just written it as it appears on the records and as I am not a native of UK I have just transcribed as provided.
However I have had difficulty in determining Westham in later years.
As to their station in life: I haven't as yet located any record that gives me any feeling for tor this position.
Westy
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Hi Westy,
You've got me confused now, Thomas Bovis who married Hannah Wallas in 1695 was born 1675. There is a Thomas Boovis born 1667 Westham but I can't find a marriage for him.
Westham is near Pevensey in Sussex.
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OK, James Bovies married Sarah Unstead 6 May 1754. Seaford, Sussex, England
They had 4 children...
James Bovis
1755–1819
John Bovis
1755
Thomas Bovis
1761–1783
Sarah Bovis
1776–1846
Are you related to the Thrift or Verrell family as they seem to have arrived in Australia in the 1800's.
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Thanks solidrock and Westy for the clarification. :)
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Thanks solidrock and Westy for the clarification. :)
Google have'nt got it right yet.
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Thanks one and all. :)
As to the Thrift or Verrell families; to date unknown if we are related. ???
Westy
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Think this is the burial for John, Chiddingly is only a couple of miles from where they were married.
First name(s) John
Last name Dumbrill
Birth year -
Death year 1797
Age at death -
Burial year 1797
Burial day 23
Burial month Feb
Dedication parish church
Place Chiddingly
County Sussex
Country England
Record set Sussex Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
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Thank you SR.
Your assistance is invaluable. :)
Westy
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This maybe Hannah's burial,
First name(s) Hannah
Last name Dumbrel
Birth year -
Death year 1768
Age at death -
Burial year 1768
Burial day 23
Burial month Nov
Dedication St.Bartholomew
Place Chalvington
County Sussex
Country England
Record set Sussex Burials
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
Here's a map of the area we are looking at with relative villages marked.
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SR that's wonderful and I love the map as it helps enormously. :)
I'm curious that John is buried at Chalvington and Hannah Chiddingly??
Westy
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SR that's wonderful and I love the map as it helps enormously. :)
I'm curious that John is buried at Chalvington and Hannah Chiddingly??
Westy
No, it's the other way around, lol. Almost certainly John but not to sure about Hannah and I can't find any children yet.
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Here's some thing interesting. Looks like John married again in less than a month after Hannah died, note the record shows him as married. Ripe is in the same area.
Name John Dumbrill
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 18 Dec 1768
Event Place Ripe, Sussex, England
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Sumner
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Volume 4
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Hello SR,
That is just wonderful and thanks for staying on the hunt for me...
I don't know if Hannah would have had children or any that may have survived as she was 42 when she & John married and 72 when she died BUT stranger things have happened.
But interesting that she was just a month deceased when John married Elizabeth.
I haven't found a will for John to date as it would be interesting to know his position in life.
Westy
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I've looked for a will but found nothing. Found this snippit though.
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Thanks once again... :)
That is a great find and we now know John wasn't on the bones of his proverbial which is a good thing to know. ;D
EDIT I wonder what "......with a good Right and Title to the Dicker." means???
By the time the Bovis clan arrived in Australia they had fallen on hard times. :'(
Westy
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Thanks once again... :)
That is a great find and we now know John wasn't on the bones of his proverbial which is a good thing to know. ;D
EDIT I wonder what "......with a good Right and Title to the Dicker." means???
By the time the Bovis clan arrived in Australia they had fallen on hard times. :'(
Westy
A "Dicker" is the seller or buyer so it proberly means that John held the title to the property which sounds like a small farm.
This part of Sussex is where a lot of my ancestors came from including my Grand mother, I have spent many hours driving around the lanes looking for clue's to my family history. There is one that still remanes unsolved and that is the burial place of my Great Grandfather. I know when and where but not the actual place. He committed suicide so although the burial service was in the local church he was proberly buried in unconsecrated ground and no one seems to know where that is.
Did the Bovis's go the Australia freely or were they convicts from England?
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Fascinating and I am so glad the recognition now exists that a person who commits suicide deserves the same respect as others.
My 3 x great grandfather also committed suicide which is so very sad. His family suffered tragically as a result of his death and the loss of his income.
As to the Bovis [well at least the line from which I descend] came 'freely' although it was possibly the best option for them as they were in the poor house [have forgotten the term at the moment as I'm having a seniors moment LoL ;D :-[]. They were offered passage to Australia supposedly on the basis of their skills and came with about 20 or so other cousins of mine.
One of the Bovis descendants married a convict who was a repeat offender as he had been here before so possibly a man who saw no hope. He was a soldier and a baker and it seems to me that when all wars were over and no income possible from that source, he returned to being a baker but ended up being sent down in Manchester for larceny of the person.
He left behind a wife and 2 young children whom to date I haven't located. He married bigamously here in Australia. He was about 40 and his second wife was 18. It is this second wife whose mother was a Bovis.
Westy