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Title: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: carolsea on Sunday 26 March 17 18:13 BST (UK)
Hi  :) Not been on here for a few years due to family issues, so a bit rusty with the old genealogy lark but I'm back at it again now and have a brick wall I can't think my way around! I need to find a marriage c1837 ish for Richard Bell b. 1816 Dumfries, Occ Tailor. Wife Mary ??? They had a son Richard in 1839 b. Dumfriesshire who seems to be their first child from looking at the 1841 census, so guessing marriage also Dumfriesshire but can't find anything that seems to make sense!  Can anyone help me please?
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: ev on Sunday 26 March 17 18:41 BST (UK)
Hi ,

Is this the family in 1851 ?
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=82117059

Some contributed entries on the IGI shows that Richard's wife was Mary Gunning  :-\



ev
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 26 March 17 18:47 BST (UK)
There is a marriage old parish register for a Richard Bell to a Mary Gunzeon 11/3/1839 Dumfries ..possibility ...as Gunning appears to be her maiden name ..

Rosie
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 26 March 17 19:24 BST (UK)
Old Parish Records have a birth for William Bell 1853 Dumfries father Richard Bell mother Mary Gunzeon ...wrong spelling of the name ?

This looks like the same family on the 1861 Census address Nithsdale Cottages Dumfries
Mary Bell age 47 b Ruthwell Dumfries ( pauper )
Margaret Bell age 17,Charles 14,Janet 13,William 8,John 3
Reuben Child age 23 b England lodger

Rosie
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: eilthireach on Sunday 26 March 17 19:31 BST (UK)
"You could try getting the birth certificate for John Bell born 1858 and that should have the date of marriage for the parents "

Actually, that information was not given in the years from 1856 to 1860...
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 26 March 17 19:42 BST (UK)
Quote from: eilthireach on Sunday 26 March 17 19:31 BST (UK)
"You could try getting the birth certificate for John Bell born 1858 and that should have the date of marriage for the parents "

Actually, that information was not given in the years from 1856 to 1860...


Thanks was not aware of that will amend post  :)
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: ev on Sunday 26 March 17 19:45 BST (UK)
Some trees for the family have John Gunning Bell as born 1855 , and there is a match on the Statutory Records for Dumfries Dumfries(shire).

If that is the correct John , that record could answer many questions.



ev
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: carolsea on Monday 27 March 17 00:14 BST (UK)
Thank you all so very much. Will chase up those leads tomorrow and see how it all fits  :-\ . Hopeful
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: rosie17 on Monday 27 March 17 07:40 BST (UK)
Quote from: carolsea on Monday 27 March 17 00:14 BST (UK)
Thank you all so very much. Will chase up those leads tomorrow and see how it all fits  :-\ . Hopeful


Hopefully it his the right marriage I see a tree with the   same marriage date keep us posted  :)

Rosie
Title: Re: Help please. Brick wall with c1837 marriage
Post by: carolsea on Monday 27 March 17 15:54 BST (UK)
It looks like it all fits, thanks so much ev and rosie17 ! Looks like Mary must have been widowed by 1861 and I have son Richard b.1839 living as a lodger in Manchester and following his father's profession of Tailor probably working for his Uncle Charles Gilles Bell who lived next door, employer of 6 men & 1 boy. I'd love to know why lots of the family moved to Lancashire from Scotland. If anyone has ideas I'd be delighted to hear them!