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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: amberly on Monday 27 March 17 20:31 BST (UK)
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Harry Davies was b in 1907 to John Edward Davies & his wife Sarah Jane nee Jones.
In 1911 they lived at Rosemount, Southsea, Wrexham.
I'm pretty sure I've found his death & Will which reads: Harry Davies of Townditch, Burton, Rossett, Wrexham, died 18 July 1941, money left to Clara Davies, the widow.
I cannot find this Clara who he married, & I cannot find her re marrying after he died as he was only 34 when he died & she must have been a similar age. Can't find any children either. Can anyone do better than me please?
If he died in Rossett I was wondering if anyone could find his grave & see if anyone else was buried with him please??
Thanks to anyone who replies.
Amberly.
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The Harry Davies death in Wrexham, September qtr 1941 is shown as 62 years old?
So born c1879?
1939 National Register has a Clara Davies, living with Harry and 4 more people, in Wrexham Rural District.
Clara was born 1883
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One other point worth making is that you would do well to have an exact birth for him(birthdate ideally).You can't for sure take a birthyear as read from a Census entry.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I'd agree - searching 1911 identifies a couple of the right names and ages for the death and 1939 entries mentioned above, in the right area
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According to the GRO Index Harry Davies birth registered Mar.qtr.1907 Wrexham, mmn Jones - the reference numbers are 11B 257.
Harry Davies would have been born in late 1906 or from Jan.-Mar.1907 and with such a common name you need to know his actual birthdate to try and pinpoint him in available records. There is no guarantee that he even stayed in the same area as an adult.
I think you need his birth certificate.
Annette
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Thanks to all who replied. Trevor & Harry were my father's cousins so I know Harry's wife was Clara but I don't know anymore about her. I've searched FindMyPast, Anc, Family Search & NWBMD & cannot find an exact birthdate for Harry but I did for his brother. However the 1911 census is the most reliable of all as the head of the household usually filled it in themselves, so was more accurate than previous ones.
However Annette is most likely correct with his birth in the 1Q of 1907. I was hoping someone maybe had the Broughton Parish records & could look it up for sure. I realize there were 4 Harry Davies, born in 4 consecutive years in the Wrexham area but I know he was born in Broughton which would be great if someone was able to do a look up, please.
Where did you KGarrad find that the Harry Davies who died in 1941 was 62 yrs old??? The Will didn't indicate an age. I couldn't find one at all!
Thanks to you all, & any more ideas from anyone would be great.
Amberly
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I use FreeBMD to look up Births, Marriages and Deaths.
The Deaths have an age at death from 1866 - and the GRO Index Search (also free!) has ages for all deaths since 1837, and up to 1915.
The GRO search also shows a Mother's maiden name for all births to 1915 - except for illegitimate births.
www.freeBMD.org.uk
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
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Even if someone was able to check the Broughton parish records for you for his baptism there is no guarantee that his actual birthdate will be shown as well. They often weren't.
How sure are you that his wife's name was Clara? Through various sources I've found a Harry Davies who was born 15/12/1906 who married a Ceridwen Hughes in 1940 Ruthin. Both appear to have been in Ruthin in 1939 but neither appear to be with family so more than likely not born Ruthin itself.
This Harry died 1989 and his wife Ceridwen not until 2014.
However, without knowledge of your Harry's actual birthdate we can't be sure of anything.
Surely it is worth the cost of his birth certificate to confirm this?
Annette
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Thank you KGarrad for reminding me of Freebmd's, I'd forgotten all about them. Since I'm so often searching for Welsh people I have got into the habit of just using NWBMD's.
Annette I try so hard not to keep spending money on certs, I already have dozens of them! Also this guy is on a twig on my tree not a main branch & he had 11 siblings so I can't keep buying certs for all these people. But thanks for your help anyway.
Appreciate everyone who has offered advice on this topic, thanks.
Amberly.
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Harry Davies was b in 1907 to John Edward Davies & his wife Sarah Jane nee Jones.
In 1911 they lived at Rosemount, Southsea, Wrexham.
I'm pretty sure I've found his death & Will which reads: Harry Davies of Townditch, Burton, Rossett, Wrexham, died 18 July 1941, money left to Clara Davies, the widow.
Thanks to anyone who replies.
Amberly.
Clara Davies of Townditch Rossett widow died 2 July 1947.
Probate to William Kendrick Keay bricklayer
BMD
Deaths Sep 1947 Davies Clara aged 64 Wrexham 8a 373
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Hello Wilcoxon, Thanks for your reply. Lots of food for thought now!
Clara Davies who died in Sept 1947 certainly lived at the same address as Harry did when he died in 1941, but if she was his wife she was 24 years older than him!!! I don't believe they had any children but her age may have accounted for that!
However I've searched & searched for a marriage to no avail.
Then I've looked up William Kendrick Keay who I believe was b in 1881 in Chester, was he her brother maybe?? He died I think in Wrexham aged 86 in 1967. I've found his mother, Elizabeth Kendrick & she married Robert Fleming Keay but died aged 28 in 1881. His father married again. However I can't find a Clara Keay or Kendrick, so I can't connect him to her so far.
His grandfather William Kendrick was a brick & pipe maker living at Brickworks Cottage, Burton so he probably learned the trade of Bricklaying from his grandfather.
What am I missing??
Thanks again Wilcoxon.
Amberly.
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Problem is both free BMD and GRO deaths give Harry's age as 62.
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I've searched FindMyPast, Anc, Family Search & NWBMD & cannot find an exact birthdate for Harry but I did for his brother.
Amberly
How did you find the brother birthdate, was it a baptism or from his death . Have you thought the family may have been Non conformists. , and so not in parish registers.
there were lots of Chapels around Southsea.
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Hello Wilcoxon,
I found Trevor's birthdate from the Death Registry on Anc & F S. Trevor Davies b 16 Oct 1901 & died 11 Nov 1981, aged 80. However I can't find a marr or death for Harry & obviously the one who died in 1941 aged 62 was not mine. His father & mother were only married in 1901.
You have a point though his wife may have been Chapel not Church which is why I can't find them.
Anyway I've had enough for now & put him on the back burner & will search again in a year or two.
Thanks so much for all your help, I do appreciate having other people to look & to comment.
Amberly.