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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Jane190 on Monday 27 March 17 21:28 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone,
I want to know if I have Romany ancestors , What their occupations were and what they did . Can someone tell me more about the peolpe and their occupations and if their were Romanies or travellers.
Herbert Edgar Smith b.1866 in Heston or Burstow or Copthorne, Surrey to Edward Smith b.1828 in Worth , Sussex(son of Edward Smith b. 1796 in Balcombe, Sussex and Elizabeth Fuller b.1802 in Worth, Sussex, Elizabeth was the daughter of James Fuller and Elizabeth Marden b.1772 in East Grinstead, Sussex ) Herbert Edgar Smith 's mother was Amelie Pattenden b.1829 in East Grinstead, Sussex daughter of Edward Pattenden b.1788 in East Grinstead and Lucy Brooker b.1791 in Worth , Sussex. Edward was the son of John Pattenden b.1753 East Grinstead and Elizabeth Gower b.1757 in East Grinstead, and Grandson of Richard Pattenden b. 1727 in East Grinstead and Mary Clark b. 1725 in East Grinstead ) Herbert Edgar Smith married on the 25 Dec 1883 in thornton heath Jessie Cooper b. 1867 in Heston, Middlesex, daughter of John Cooper b.1833 in Blacton , Middlesex and Mary Underwood b. 1840 in Chertsey, Surrey, Granddaugther of William Cooper and Richard Underwood. That's one line of my family .
Then...
Louisa Emily Mills b. 1902 in Bracknell, Berkshire, Illegitimate daughter of Ellen Eliza Mills b. 1877 in Bracknell, Berkshire. Ellen Eliza Mills was the daughter of John Mills b. 1854 in East Ilsley, Berkshire and Elizabeth Peacock b. 1851 in Warfield, Berkshire (Daughter of ? Taylor and Eliza Peacock b . 1830 in Warfield to John Peacock b.1797 in Shinfield, Berkshire. Elizabeth Peacock b.1851 was maybe the Granddaugther of Henry Taylor b. 1803 in Lincham, Lyneham? Wiltshire.
John Mills b. 1854 in East Ilsley, Berkshire was the son of Joseph Mills b. 1827 in East Ilsley and of Letitia Goddard b. 1829 in West Ilsley, Berkshire. He was also the Grandson of William Mills+Mary Prior and William Goddard +Mary Hitchman of Wantage.
That's my maternal family and i hope some of you can help me , because i'm very interested in this family .
Best regards
Jane
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Jane, that's asking quite a lot for people to look up all those names, especially as you have Smiths! Have you tried finding them in the censuses to see what they give as their occupations, that might give you a starting point?
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Hello Groom,
I am not from Great Britain and can't see any censuses because I am not a Member of Ancestry.com or other genealogy sides.
Regards
Jane
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Then...
Louisa Emily Mills b. 1902 in Bracknell, Berkshire, Illegitimate daughter of Ellen Eliza Mills b. 1877 in Bracknell, Berkshire. Ellen Eliza Mills was the daughter of John Mills b. 1854 in East Ilsley, Berkshire and Elizabeth Peacock b. 1851 in Warfield, Berkshire (Daughter of ? Taylor and Eliza Peacock b . 1830 in Warfield to John Peacock b.1797 in Shinfield, Berkshire. Elizabeth Peacock b.1851 was maybe the Granddaugther of Henry Taylor b. 1803 in Lincham, Lyneham? Wiltshire.
John Mills b. 1854 in East Ilsley, Berkshire was the son of Joseph Mills b. 1827 in East Ilsley and of Letitia Goddard b. 1829 in West Ilsley, Berkshire. He was also the Grandson of William Mills+Mary Prior and William Goddard +Mary Hitchman of Wantage.
Earlier post on this family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=766192.
Hello Groom,
I am not from Great Britain and can't see any censuses because I am not a Member of Ancestry.com or other genealogy sides.
A lot of census are available here and free
https://familysearch.org/search
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Hi Jane
Am I reading your post correctly?
You start by saying that Herbert Edgar b1866 was the son of Edward Smith and Elizabeth Fuller.
You follow that by saying that Herbert Edgar's mother was Amelie Pattenden! :)
Looks like it was Amelie/Amelia (from GRO Index) so who was Elizabeth Fuller?
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
SMITH, HERBERT EDGAR PATTENDIN Order
GRO Reference: 1867 M Quarter in REIGATE UNION Volume 02A Page 142
From the 1881 Census we find the following occupations:
Father Edward - a Gardener
Herbert Edgar - a Butcher
Brother Edward - a House Painter
Brother Robert - a Carpenter
They don't sound like Romany occupations do they?
Regards
Giggsy
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Just picking one name out of there: Herbert Edgar Smith
He married Jessie Cooper on Christmas Day 1889 at St Paul's Church Thornton Heath. He was a 23 year old butcher from Upper Norwood and his father Edward was a Gardener. Jessie's father was also a gardener. So no travellers there.
What makes you think any of the family were travellers?
Posts crossed Giggsy - as you say, no gypsy connection as far as the records show.
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Yes , I've already posted a Post on this family but i did a new one with all my known ancestors on my maternal side .
Giggsy, Elizabeth Fuller is the Grandmother of Herbert Edgar Smith, she was born 1802 in Worth i think .
Groom ,
I don't really think that they were Romanies or Travellers but I want to make clear if they were, or not . Smith , Cooper and Mills are common Romany surnames but also surnames of the non-Gypsy community .
Regards
Jane
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I am now looking at the family of Ellen Eliza Mills the daughter of John Mills b. 1854 in East Ilsley, Berkshire and Elizabeth Peacock b. 1851 in Warfield, Berkshire.
From the 1901 Census.
John was a Coal Porter
Ellen was a General Servant Domestic
Brother Joseph was a Butcher
Brother William was a Railway Porter
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Jane, can I suggest that, as a start, you pick out one or two names and post on a thread in the county they came from? As you can see nearly 90 people have looked at this thread, but only 2 replied, I think there are too many names there for people to follow.
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Joseph Mills b1826 (father of John b1854) was a Woodman.
Two of his sons Enock b1870 and Stephen b1872 were Ag Labs.
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Hello groom and Giggsy,
Groom, Yes I think I 've posted too many names and Information to follow.
Giggsy, Thanks for your help, there are some interesting occupations but non of them shows a romany link.
I've found the Sister of Letitia Goddard my GGGG grandmother, Jemima Goddard a Shoebinder. Both of them are the daughters of William Goddard from West Ilsley and Mary Hitchman from Wantage . What was Williams Occupation? William was born c.1793 in West Ilsley Mary Hitchman c.1796 in Wantage , What were the names of their parents ? I don't think that they were Gypsies but it would be something new.
Regards
Jane
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William was an Ag Lab.
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Possibles baptisms for Mary from www.familysearch.com.
Name Mary Hitchman
Gender Female
Christening Date 06 Apr 1796
Christening Place WANTAGE,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date 27 Jan 1796
Father's Name Wm. Hitchman
Mother's Name Elizabeth
Name Mary Higgs Hitchman
Gender Female
Birth Date 27 Nov 1795
Birthplace Wantage, Berkshire, England
Mother's Name Ann Hitchman
You could try looking for a marriage for the second Mary to eliminate her?
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Hello Giggsycat,
Thanks :)
Regards
Jane