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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => US Lookup Requests => Topic started by: kieran257 on Monday 27 March 17 23:03 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I am hoping someone can help me fill in the blanks. Robert Farren was married to Margaret McLaughlin she died in 5 March 1895 in Muldonagh Dungiven Co Derry age 50. In 1901 and 1911 census Robert is not to be found. I have found a record on the Ellis Island website for a R Farren travelling on the Furnessia arriving 16th September, 1895. Could this be him?
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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The passenger list says Robt. Farren, age 49, blacksmith, native of Ireland, going to Philadelphia for a protracted sojourn. No other personal detail on that page.
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Outgoing passenger list - Robert Farren aged 49 no occupation shown. Departed Londonderry 5.9.1895 for New York aboard the Furnessia
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Hi all,
Thanks for all your help. This looks like him as he was a blacksmith and I assume he was around his wife's age as there is no death listed for him in Northern Ireland. What is a protracted sojourn and can he be found in Philadelphia at all in any of the census.
Thanks for all your help it is very much appreciated
Kieran
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I think protracted sojourn means he planned to stay for a long time.
Have you checked the census records yourself at www.familysearch.org?
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Hi Shelly,
Thanks for all our help. Could this be him in the 1920 census
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M83T-42W
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MLCF-HP6
This is all I can find possibly for him
Thanks for all your help
Kieran
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Have you got parents names ?
Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
I m sorry I haven't been able to get the parents name as can't find the marriage between Robert and Margaret McLaughlin it would of happened in 1860's as first child born in 1869.
Sorry I can't give you more information.
Kieran
PS Could this be the marriage https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY9W-RWT
This is one of the 4 children:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPNT-7PL
Name: Elizabeth Ferren
Gender: Female
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Birth Date: 17 May 1880
Birthplace: Muldonagh, Londonderry, Ireland
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Robert Ferren
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Margaret Ferren Mclaughlin
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00688-5
System Origin: Ireland-EASy
GS Film number: 256050
Reference ID: v 1-2 p 661
Citing this Record:
"Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ9-Z2G : 8 December 2014), Elizabeth Ferren, 17 May 1880; citing Muldonagh, Londonderry, Ireland, reference v 1-2 p 661; FHL microfilm 256,050.
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The 1920 Montana census image shows his naturalization date as 1892 (and unknown immigration date). Either that date was made up, Robert forget when he was naturalized, or it isn't your Robert?
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Could this be the marriage https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY9W-RWT
This is a match for the volume and page numbers for Robert Farren:
Catherine :-\ M'Laughlin, marriage, 1868, Inishowen, Ireland
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY93-ZYW
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I don't think this has been mentioned:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RCF-4ZD?mode=g&i=14&cc=1810731
Cascade County Poor Farm, Great Falls, Montana, 1930 Census
Robert Ferrens, age 90, widowed, born Northern Ireland as were parents. Immigrated 1889.
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Hi all,
Thanks for all your help. Is it possible to get the immigration records for him?
Thanks very much appreciated
Kieran
PS could any of these records be the marriage:
Marriage of MARGARET MCLAUGHLIN
in 1868
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownlimavady
Returns Year 1868
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 16
Returns Page No 1190
Marriage of MARGARET MCLAUGHLIN
in 1866
Group Registration ID N/R
SR District/Reg Area Newtownlimavady
Returns Year 1866
Returns Quarter 1
Returns Volume No 11
Returns Page No 1107
Thanks
Kieran
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Possibly the burial of Robert Ferren who immigrated c1890:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jtk/
Robert Ferrens, died 7 December 1934. Buried Calvary Cemetery, Gibson Flats, MT
Date of birth is unknown.
Same person as mentioned above. Born c1843.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VHC8-J7D
Gibson Flats appears to be just a few miles from Great Falls.
I've not yet found this man in 1900, nor your Robert. :-\ I also have not yet found the 1899-1892 immigration record.
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Hi Lisa,
Thank you very much for all your help.
Do you know who to contact to get the grave details I have tried looking on line but not sure where I should be contacting as it might provide a clue.
Would there be any death notices then? Hopefully the immigration record might list his wife or the children left in Ireland to confirm he is the right Robert.
Thanks for all your help Lisa it is very much appreciated
Kieran
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Hi Kieran:
I've not yet figured out how to contact someone for the grave details. In North America, some public libraries have an "Ask A Librarian" feature. After a quick search, I didn't see one for the Great Falls Library, but you could try contacting them, to see if they might know whom you could contact for cemetery information.
http://www.greatfallslibrary.org/?p=contact
PS I believe as I was looking around I found something that mentioned it was a Catholic Cemetery - do you know if Robert was Catholic?
I did a quick search a couple of days ago and didn't see anything, but perhaps I missed the obituary, or perhaps with more time searching you might find something helpful:
http://montananewspapers.org/
Update:
It appears that Calvary Cemetery has a mailing address associated with Mount Olivet Cemetery.
http://www.mtgenweb.com/cascade/addresses.html
(Found near the bottom of the link)
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2007-08 question about where cemetery records are kept for Calvary Cemetery in Great Falls (I assume that is Gibson Flats/Great Falls):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jtz/
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Hi Lisa,
Thanks for all your help. Robert was a Catholic
I will have a go at all the things you have listed. If I find anything I will let you know
Thanks for all your help it is very much appreciated
Kieran
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You're welcome, but I wish we could have found more. I do feel like there is more to be found, but perhaps it is wishful thinking.
I will continue to have a look around as well (possibly tonight or during the weekend). It would be great to hear if you do find anything. :)
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I've mainly looked for Robert "Montana" Ferrens in America. Has anyone found possibilities for this man elsewhere (Ireland, England, Canada)?
I've not yet found his immigration record, nor either Robert in 1900. Unless they were heading west and perhaps were not counted during the 1900 census, where were they/he in 1900? ???
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Hi Lisa,
Thanks very much for all your help.
This could be him in 1910?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RK3-V57
Immigration year 1890 it would be great if this record could be found.
Thanks for all your help as always very much appreciated.
Kieran.
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Great find; perhaps that is him.
Robert was living with George Coulson in 1910. I just started to look around for information about George, as he claimed he immigrated in 1890, also. I thought perhaps they met at some point in 1890 and if we found George, perhaps Robert would be nearby.
However, looking at the 1900 census for George, he stated he immigrated in 1888. So, it appears that immigration dates were not exact (as I've found to be true with my own ancestors who "sailed across the pond").
Note: Taking a second look at the 1910 census, Robert was living near George, not with George and his family.
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Hi All,
This is all great. Margaret was also know as Martha McLaughlin.
I was told that the Farrens did originate from Donegal from I have never found out where.
Thanks again for all your help
Kieran
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Hi All,
Thanks for all your help. Here is a bit of an update on Robert Farren
The Valuation Revision Book covering Muldonagh for the period 1883 - 1898, viewable on the PRONI website, shows a house, office and land of just over 9 acres against Robert Farren's name, which has been crossed out and replaced, suggesting that he had indeed died or moved by 1898.
The following advert appeared in the Derry Journal the day after his wife died, 6 March 1895:
Then there is the following notice 5 months later in the Derry Journal of 12 August 1895,
Tried to add the images but cant attach
Thanks for all your kind help as always very much appreciated
Kieran
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Hi All,
Thanks for all your help. Here is a bit of an update on Robert Farren
The Valuation Revision Book covering Muldonagh for the period 1883 - 1898, viewable on the PRONI website, shows a house, office and land of just over 9 acres against Robert Farren's name, which has been crossed out and replaced, suggesting that he had indeed died or moved by 1898.
The following advert appeared in the Derry Journal the day after his wife died, 6 March 1895:
Then there is the following notice 5 months later in the Derry Journal of 12 August 1895,
Tried to add the images but cant attach
Thanks for all your kind help as always very much appreciated
Kieran
Can anyone locate Robert after 1895
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Possibly the burial of Robert Ferren who immigrated c1890:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jtk/
Robert Ferrens, died 7 December 1934. Buried Calvary Cemetery, Gibson Flats, MT
Date of birth is unknown.
Great Falls Tribune
Great Falls, Montana
Saturday, December 08, 1934
Page 9
Robert Ferrens, 85,
Dies in This City
Robert Ferrens, 85, a resident of this city for several years, died at a local hospital Friday morning following a lingering illness. The body is at the O'Connor funeral chapel pending arrangements. Mr. Ferrens had been in the hospital for the last three or four years. Prior to his illness, he had worked as a laborer here. A sister, residing in the east, survives.
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Hi All,
Thanks very much for trying to break down this wall. I have never been able to find his marriage details or his or his wife's birth. All I know for certain is that after his wife died he sold up and moved somewhere. The rest of the family were found. Could he have went to Scotland as his son was living in Scotland at that time? His son Pat got married in 1899 to Margaret Storrie Or did he move to the USA I have no real clues to go on.
Thanks very much for your kind help
Kieran