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My mother was born in 1926 to Patrick Hawkins and Mary Dunne of Newtown Woodlawn ballinasloe co. Galway if you have any info at all it would be most appreciated , other family names would be linked to Dunne,Lally and O'Brien
Thanks
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Are you 100% sure her mother's name was Mary.
Have you got her birth cert?
There is a marriage of a Patrick Hawkins New Inn Woodlawn to a Cathetine Dunne Nov 1911.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09969/5624748.pdf
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I'm told Catherine's Hawkins mothers name was Mary Dunne nee obrien but what you say about address corresponds with info we've got
Many thanks
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Than Mary Dunne was a widow when she married?
Catherine Dunne was single.
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Thanks , the marriage in 1911 was my grandparents and Mary Dunne was my grandmothers mother but I've got no info on this only a vary sparse family tree, my mother was Rita Hawkins who was the youngest and I've very little info on her or my relatives and would be most grateful for any info no matter how obscure
Many thanks
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Okay bit of confusion there.
So Catherine Dunne who married Patrick Hawkins was the daughter of Mary Dunne
the marriage cert gives her father as Patrick Dunne deceased.
It should be possible to find Mary and Catherine in the 1911 census
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Sorry for confusion, I agree on what you say, what I was wondering was Catharine Hawkins (nee Dunne) was my grandmother and her youngest Rita Hawkins was my mother and wether there was anybody who knew the family and could give me any info at all wether it be schools or remaining family members
Many thanks
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I think this is Catherine and her family in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Killaan/Clooncallis/449179/
The child Lucy was born 1899 and her mother is Brien
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02015/1773426.pdf
so far that seems to match, need to find the death of Patrick between 1899 and 1911 to double check.
Later
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Pat Dunne Herd and ex solider aged 74 died Dec 1910 same address as Lucy birth Newtown
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02015/1773426.pdf
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Family in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Killaan/Cloonncallis/1367994/
Not sure why the census is Cloonncallis and the birth and death are Newtown ???
Checking the map there is a place called Newtown in the townland of Clooncallis so maybe that is where they lived.
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,570824,731044,10,9
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My mothers address when she was raised is woodlawns, Newtown ballinasloe so is it possible maybe the deceased was living there and died in another place
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I edited my post above, see the map.
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Thanks it looks like the red mark is where it's to
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Back to the 1911 Census, because Mary is a widow she hasn't filled in how many years married or how many children she had.
On the 1901 Census Mary Ann is her eldest.
She was born 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02687/1989520.pdf
so Mary and Patrick married before this date.
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There is a marriage of a Patrick Dunn
and a Mary Brien also a Mary Bryan (possible the same person with two different spellings)
in 1880 registered in Ballinasloe
all three have the same vol and page number but the images of these records are not online yet
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jv2/
If this is the correct marriage there may be more children before Mary Ann.
as the image is not online it may be possible to find it in the church records.
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That all sounds likely and fits in as my maternal grandmother Catherine Dunne was born around 1896
Thanks
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Looks like they had earlier children
Honoria 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02848/2043480.pdf
Registered by Catherine Brien, Mary's mother living with the family in 1901 census.
I was hopeing to find her baptism in New Inn parish
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0327
no luck so far and I need a break.
The hope would be that the parents married in the same parish but could be in one of the surrounding parishes if Mary was from a different parish to Patrick.
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Thanks
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I'm not having any luck with the parish registers, tried to have a look in the neighbouring parishes but most don't go far enough date wise.
Maybe someone else will have more luck.
You could wait for the image of the marriage to come online, no idea at the moment when that will be or you could order a €4 research copy of it
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
There are probably more children to find
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
and of course Patrick might have an army record but you would need a subscription to Ancestry I think although they have moved some records, I'm not too sure which, people on the Armed Forces board would know.
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That's fine thanks for your help, I will try older family members as well
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I think this is Patrick Hawkins and family in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Grange/Larrowtrehaun/1386676/
took a while to find the place name as it's spelling is slightly different on maps and other sites, but fairly sure this is it
Lecarrowntruhaun just left of New Inn so in the right area
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,566590,727744,9,3
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I don't think this was my grandfather as I think in 1901 he would have been 13 although because I don't think it was a common name they maybe relatives
Thanks very much
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A two year age difference isn't much, where did you get his age, if from his death they are often incorrect, as are census ages. People were rather vague about ages back than.
I picked that census because Patrick is an age to marry by 1911 and his father Patrick is a shepherd so the same as herd on the marriage cert.
But it's only a possible.
Either way I can't find any births for the children in the census.
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I didn't realise the ages could be incorrect, he married in 1911 and their first child was born in 1913 a girl I think her name was Mary Kate?
Thanks
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I didn't realise the ages could be incorrect, he married in 1911 and their first child was born in 1913 a girl I think her name was Mary Kate?
Thanks
Sometimes they even lie. Many age by 20 years between 1901 and 1911 in the hope of getting a pension, but people didn't celebrate birthdays so they often lost track of their age.
It was the Patrick and rest on that 1901 census I couldn't find, they say born Galway but they may have moved from another part of Galway to where they were living in 1901.
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I see
Thanks
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Firstly connected topic LINK (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=post;quote=6213569;topic=768756.90;last_msg=6213591)
Also I have sent a PM with some details
My grandparents lived in Woodlawn
Beech Hill House was in Grange but is no longer in exsistence LINK (http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=859)
based on the findings of SINANN
The Patrick HAWKINS of Grange/Lecarrowntruhaun sounds a good match as Rita's father
The marriage certificate would confirm the father's name (shown on census as Patrick)
but be cautious there is a second family in the area that have the same names
In this area nearly every field has a name and everyone's address is different
My Grandfather's brother lived in the house next to his and they had two different addresses!
The house just before my Grandfather's had a third address
Patrick HAWKINS and Mary LALLY as on the census found (cannot see marriage)
had at least eight children
Patrick #1 Oct 24 1875 address Killaan (presumably died before 1884)
John Jun 10 1877
Bridget Dec 31 1880 address Corraneena
Patrick #2 Jun 15 1884 address Bullaun
Michael Jul 13 1887 address Bullaun
Mary (Molly) Sep 22 1889 address New Inn
James bc1891 died Nov 14 1891 aged 10 months; address Newgrove; informant father Patt
Joseph Mar 25 1893 address New Inn
There is a second Patrick HAWKINS in the area
His wife was Bridget CUSACK;
They married on Jan 28 1869 and had at least 6 children in New Grove/Bullaun LINK (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahawkins~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1869-1889~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Apatrick~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Ahawkins~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Abridget~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Acusack~)
John Jan 27 1870
Maria Jul 19 1871
Patrick Apr 05 1873
Bridget Oct 24 1875
Ellen Mar 21 1878
Margaret Apr 25 1880
some websites are acting up today and I cannot post links or view all records but will update if I locate more
edited to add
I don't live near Woodlawn but may be able to find out some local information
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The Hawkins family my wife is part off was........
Patrick Hawkins. Wife Elizabeth Dunne married in 1912 these were her grandparents and there mother was Mary Lilly ( Patrick) and Mary o'brien ( Elizabeth's)
1st child Mary Kate
2nd dilly ( nickname) Bridget
3rd Sarah
4th Lucy
5th Joseph
6th Teresa
7th Patrick
8th Norah (noonie)
9th Margaret (meg)
10th Rita
The farm is still in same family not sure of present name of farm but it was. Beech hill, Newtown,new inn,woodlawns ballinasloe co.galway
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The Hawkins family my wife is part off was........
Patrick Hawkins. Wife Elizabeth Dunne married in 1912
Patrick HAWKINS m Catherine DUNNE Nov 14 1911 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/cf6fe47091046?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dpatrick%2B%26namel%3DHawkins%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1910%26yyto%3D1915%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26exact%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3D)
these were her grandparents and there mother was Mary Lilly ( Patrick) and Mary o'brien ( Elizabeth's)
1st child Mary Kate LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/f5d4060260172?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3D%26namel%3Dhawkins%26exact%3D%26name2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1911%26yyto%3D1925%26type%3DB%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26ddBfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3DBallinasloe%26submit%3DSearch) b. Mar 09 1912
2nd dilly ( nickname) Bridget LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/6afdd32358274?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3D%26namel%3Dhawkins%26exact%3D%26name2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1911%26yyto%3D1925%26type%3DB%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26ddBfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3DBallinasloe%26submit%3DSearch) b. April 27 1912
3rd Sarah (poss 1916 *see below)
4th Lucy LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/92260d2232291?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3D%26namel%3Dhawkins%26exact%3D%26name2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1911%26yyto%3D1925%26type%3DB%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26ddBfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3DBallinasloe%26submit%3DSearch) b. Sept 26 1914
5th Joseph (poss 1919 *see below)
6th Teresa (poss 1920 *see below)
7th Patrick (poss 1921 *see below)
8th Norah (noonie) (poss 1922 *see below)
9th Margaret (meg) (poss 1926 *see below)
10th Rita (poss 1927 *see below)
LINK (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahawkins~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Aloughrea~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1915-1930~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Adunn~%20%2Brecord_country%3AIreland) to familysearch.org births - there is no mother's maiden name given so each would need to be checked to ensure correct
The farm is still in same family not sure of present name of farm but it was. Beech hill, Newtown,new inn,woodlawns ballinasloe co.galway
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The Hawkins family my wife is part off was........
Patrick Hawkins. Wife Elizabeth Dunne married in 1912 these were her grandparents and there mother was Mary Lilly ( Patrick) and Mary o'brien ( Elizabeth's)
Do you mean Patrick Hawkins mother was Mary Lilly. Is Lilly part of her Christian name or her surname?
Where did you get this name?
I can't see it mentioned before.
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Patrick HAWKIN's parents were Patrick HAWKINS and Mary LALLY
he was born 1884 baptised Jun 29 1884 in Bullaun
I cannot see a marriage for this couple
Catherine DUNNE's parents were Patrick DUNNE & Mary BRIEN
she was born Dec 24 1882 in Loughanavague, Killaan
Patrick DUNN aged 40 a bachelor; father Martin DUNNE; of Newtown, Killaan
married Feb 07 1880 in Killaan
Mary BRIEN aged 21 a spinster; father Richard BRIEN; of Rushlake
Witnesses Thomas & Bridget BRYAN
the mother of Mary BRIEN was Catherine HIGGINS
Richard BRIEN of Rushlake m Catherine HIGGINS LINK (http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632932#page/83/mode/1up)
on Nov 23 1856 in Cappataggle
Witnesses Patt Holohan and Catte Sammon
No parents names given or occupation
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Hi myluck! What we're your grandparents names who lived in woodlawns it's such a small area I suspect somebody in the family would know them
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Hi sinann, it is Lally I spelt it wrong and yes she was the mother of Patrick Hawkins
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It never crossed your mind to mention you knew that already. I spent ages looking for her name.
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Sorry I didn't realise I spelt it wrong
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Don't mind me, bad form today, that said I meant you didn't say you knew her name, I wasn't talking about the spelling.
You knew the O'Brien name and Lally is in the list at the start of the thread so I should have picked up on that and just asked if you knew.
Im just very grumpy today, sorry.
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No problem thanks w/e tomorrow
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Oranges - I've sent a PM with info
Sinann - we all have off days; not everyone apologies so nicely though - hope the grumps went their way!
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Hi myluck! No pm has come through
Thanks
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Hi my grandfather was Richard Dunne who was Catherine's brother. Just the other night my mother told me Catherine became Mrs Hawkins. She also mentioned their sister Mary went to the USA and never married. There are still plenty of Dunne's in Ireland and still living at Newtown. I was there last year. Catherine had lots of siblings. This is what I know so far: Honoria born 1880, Sarah born 1881 who I believe my sister and aunt are named after, Kate born 1882 and died 1892, Mary Anne born 1884 who went to USA and never married, Edward born 1885 who I believe went to USA, Bridget born 1886, Eliza born 1889 who went to USA and married John Liddle Dickson and had 3 boys, Richard (my grandfather) born 1891 and died 1966, Kate Teresa born 1894 who I believe is your grandparent, Lucy 1899 died 1977 in Carshalton, never married and stayed with us for a few months before her death and Patrick born 1902 emigrated to USA, had 3 boys, 2 I think are still alive. He died in 1980
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Hi Maria moneypenny, it very interesting what you've written, in not sure how to reply I think I've sent you a message on face book or I'll see if you get this but I think your mother and mine were cousins, my mum was borne in 1926 if that helps, my cousin still lives in the farm and his siblings live close by, one of my cousins lives in Athlone and her mother was raised with the Dunnes and I have a photo of her with what would be my great grandmother Dunne and a couple of others who we are not sure who they are
Many thanks for your message
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Hello Maria and Gabrielle,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
After you both have made another post you can send a PM if required, you do this by clicking on the right little round button that appears below the profile name of the person you are trying to send a PM to ;)
Regards
Sarah
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Thanks Sarah, I've sent a message to Maria I'm just waiting to see if she gets it.
Regards
Gabrielle
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Hi Sarah, I am obviously missing something as I can't seem to be able to PM but would love to talk more and see how we are related Maria :)
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Hi Maria,
As I said you need to make at least 2 posts to use the PM function, you have just been trying to PM a user whilst only having made 1 post yourself.
Now you have made 2 posts ::)