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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Edith reeve on Tuesday 04 April 17 16:11 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
I'm trying to find out as much as i can about my family who were from the Llangristiolus area of Anglesey.
Ive basic information from Census records with names, DOB, employments etc.. but apart from that...Not a lot. Is anybody else on here related to my family or have come across them in their research? The family were mainly joiners but have just found John Lloyd (born around 1770) with a 6 acre farm (pigs maybe? It looks like it says bacon on the census lol) as well as being a joiner.
Thanks in advance :)
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We could help you find more on the family if you let us have the Names, DOB's etc
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I think I have found them, is the farm called Gromlech? On the 1851 Census it states John is a Carpenter and Farmer. I can't see anything relating to Bacon it looks like 6 acres to me? ;D
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I can't see anything relating to Bacon it looks like 6 acres to me? ;D
Yes, it says Carpenter farmer of 6 acres.
Hi everyone,
It looks like it says bacon on the census lol)
What you have read as a letter 'b' is actually a number 6 :)
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Ha ha ha maybe it was wishful Thinking 🤣
I've just realised I've left my folder with everything in it alt work, I'll add more info tomorrow 👍🏼
Thanks for the replies 😁
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You really need to say exactly what information you've already got and what additional information you're looking for. People are more than happy to help, but it's disappointing to spend ages looking for someone in a census only to be told 'Oh, I already know that' ;D
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There is a danger of some confusion as there are two similar families showing in the 1851 census for Anglesey.
As posted by Ellenmai, at Gromlech, Llangristiolus:
John Lloyd, 81, b. Trefdraeth, Carpenter/farmer of 6 acres
Ann " , 75, b. Newborough
Gabriel " , 40, b. Llangristiolus, Carpenter
Jane " , 34, b. Llangristiolus
At Tyddyn Roger Valentine, Trefdraeth:
John Lloyd, 80, b. Holyhead, farmer (acres K.N.?)
Anne " , 75, b. Trefdraeth
John " , 44, b. " , Agr lab
Richard " , 30, b. " , Agr lab
Elizabeth " , 32, b. " , House work
Trefdraeth and Llangristiolus are neighbouring parishes.
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Right, Here is what I have:
John Lloyd, b.1770 in Trefdraeth, Carpenter/farmer of 6 acres
Ann " , b.1776 in Newborough
Gabriel " , b. 1811 in Llangristiolus, Carpenter d.1897 in Bangor, Wales
John (jnr) ", b.1813, Llangristiolus (married to Elizabeth b.1821 in Aberfraw, d.1900, my great great grandparents)
Jane " , b.1817 Llangristiolus
On the Census of 1851 they lived at what looks like Gromlech
John (b1813) and Elizabeth Lloyd had the following children, all born in llangristiolus
John b.1842
Richard b.1844
Thomas b.1847
Ann(e) b.1850
on the 1851 census they lived at Graig wen with a servant and an apprentice joiner (family business)
Margred b.1854
Elinor (Ellen) b.1858
Gabriel b1860
Evan b.1863 d.1936 (my great grandad)
Elizabeth b.1867
Evan (b1863) was married twice, He had 2 sons with someone (Id LOVE to find out who) and moved to Widnes with her and the boys (Thomas b1891 in llangristiolus and Evan J b.1892 in llangristiolus, they had a third son Richard b1894 in Liverpool. His wife died and he took on a maid to care for him and the young boys who he later married (saves money i suppose!!) and had my great Aunt Edith Doreen b.1911 (i dont have much info on Edith, she ended up in an asylum in Manchester, after spending a few years living with my grandad and my mum and siblings, with what we suspect was schizophrenia. id LOVE to know more about her) Then they had my grandad, William Gabriel lloyd in 1914 d.1988
;)
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John Lloyd married Elizabeth Rowlands 29 May 1840 at Aberffraw parish church.
John Lloyd, full age, bachelor, carpenter of Llangristiolus, son of John Lloyd, carpenter. Elizabeth Rowlands, minor, spinster of Henllys Fawr, dau. of Richard Rowlands, labourer.
They registered the births of the following children:
Anne 9 Sep 1850
Elizabeth 11 Apr 1855
Elizabeth 13 Sep 1866
Ellin 3 Dec 1857
Evan 10 Jan 1862
Gabriel 3 Sep 1859
John 7 Jan 1842
Margaret 13 Sep 1853
Margaret 16 Jul 1840
Richard 23 Aug 1843
Thomas 16 Dec 1846
All with father John Lloyd, mother Elizabeth Rowland(s) and born Llangristiolus, except Margaret 1840 who was born at Aberffraw.
More to follow, I hope
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It looks like Evan Lloyd married in Liverpool - FreeBMD has a marriage in the J,A,S qtr of 1891 between Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders (and two others) - W. Derby 8b 1023.
They registered the births of two sons in Anglesey:
Evan John, son of Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders, 4 Sep 1892, Llangristiolus
Richard, son of Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders, 22 Aug 1894, Llangristiolus
I can't see a birth for Thomas in Anglesey.
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Several Lloyd deaths at Gromlech and Graigwen, Llangristiolus were registered as transcribed below:
John Lloyd 3 May 1860, age 90, at Gromlech, farmer. Informant Gabriel Lloyd.
Ann Lloyd 16 Jan 1859, age 83, at Gromlech, wife of farmer John Lloyd. Informant Thomas John Jones, surgeon.
Gabriel Lloyd 23 Jan 1897, age 86, at Graigwen, architect. Informant R. Lloyd, nephew.
Margaret Lloyd 17 Dec 1840, age 5 months, at Gromlech, dau. of John Lloyd. Informant John Lloyd, father.
Elizabeth Lloyd 9 Feb 1856, age 11 months, at Graigwen, dau. of carpenter John Lloyd. Informant Thomas Lloyd.
Elizabeth Lloyd 24 May 1893, age 73, at Graigwen, wife of joiner John Lloyd. Informant R. Lloyd, son.
John Lloyd 7 July 1905, age 92, at Graigwen, joiner. Informant Owen Hughes, son in law.
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It looks like Evan Lloyd married in Liverpool - FreeBMD has a marriage in the J,A,S qtr of 1891 between Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders (and two others Two others? names or wives?) - W. Derby 8b 1023.
They registered the births of two sons in Anglesey:
Evan John, son of Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders, 4 Sep 1892, Llangristiolus
Richard, son of Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders, 22 Aug 1894, Llangristiolus
I can't see a birth for Thomas in Anglesey. I have just realised ive gotten them mixed up, Thomas was the last born between them, he was born 1896 in Liverpool
So John and Mary married in Liverpool before Evan John, their first son arrived after they were back in Anglesey? I wonder what Evan where he met her if she was from W.Derby? Then they moved back to Liverpool before having Thomas. Maybe Mary was living there when he met her, thats why they went back there? ooooh thanks for your help with all this, you've been amazing!!
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It looks like Evan Lloyd married in Liverpool - FreeBMD has a marriage in the J,A,S qtr of 1891 between Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders (and two others Two others? names or wives?) - W. Derby 8b 1023.
So John and Mary married in Liverpool before Evan John, their first son arrived after they were back in Anglesey? I wonder what Evan where he met her if she was from W.Derby? Then they moved back to Liverpool before having Thomas. Maybe Mary was living there when he met her, thats why they went back there? ooooh thanks for your help with all this, you've been amazing!!
Just to clarify - W.Derby/West Derby is a registration district in Liverpool, Lancashire and has nothing to do with Derby, Derbyshire. There is information about it here:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/west%20derby.html
Each marriage reference like September, W. Derby 8b 103 usually refers to two marriages/four people (sometimes more) - in this case Mary Jane Anders, Sarah Fagan, Evan Lloyd, Samuel Quinn - but the birth registration with mother's maiden name Anders show that she married Evan Lloyd.
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Thanks DragonT
So has anyone any advice on finding info on relatives pre 1770
I'm struggling to get any more info on John Lloyd b1770 in trefdraeth / d1860, Llangristiolus
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It is difficult to be certain but a search of baptisms at Trefdraeth (FindmyPast) suggest that John may have been the son of Evan Lloyd & Mary his wife and had the siblings shown.
27 Sep 1769 - John son of Evan & Mary Lloyd was baptized.
16 May 1762 - Jane the daughter of Evan Lloyd of Tyddyn falent(?), Yeoman, and Mary his wife was baptized.
16 Jun 1765 - Gabriel son of Evan Lloyd of Tyddyn falent(?), Yeoman, and Mary his wife was baptized.
26 Feb 1775 - Hannah daughter of Evan Lloyd of Tyddyn Fralant(?) and Mary his wife was baptized.
Gabriel was not a common name in Anglesey at this time but seems to occur several times in this family.
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Hi Tracy I think we might be cousins .of a sort .! My Grandad was Evan John Lloyd b 1892 to Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders. Evan (b 1863 )was also my Great Grandad I believe.
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Hi Tracy I think we might be cousins .of a sort .! My Grandad was Evan John Lloyd b 1892 to Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders. Evan (b 1863 )was also my Great Grandad I believe.
oooh this is so cool! How far back have you gotten? I’ve not met any family before through this! 😁
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It is difficult to be certain but a search of baptisms at Trefdraeth (FindmyPast) suggest that John may have been the son of Evan Lloyd & Mary his wife and had the siblings shown.
27 Sep 1769 - John son of Evan & Mary Lloyd was baptized.
16 May 1762 - Jane the daughter of Evan Lloyd of Tyddyn falent(?), Yeoman, and Mary his wife was baptized.
16 Jun 1765 - Gabriel son of Evan Lloyd of Tyddyn falent(?), Yeoman, and Mary his wife was baptized.
26 Feb 1775 - Hannah daughter of Evan Lloyd of Tyddyn Fralant(?) and Mary his wife was baptized.
Gabriel was not a common name in Anglesey at this time but seems to occur several times in this family.
That’s great, I’m so sorry, I’ve only just spotted this! Thank you so much!
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Hi Tracy I think we might be cousins .of a sort .! My Grandad was Evan John Lloyd b 1892 to Evan Lloyd and Mary Jane Anders. Evan (b 1863 )was also my Great Grandad I believe.
I have lots of documents and info on the family and I’d love to share it with you if you are interested.
Let me know 😊
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Hi Tracy I am interested in family history I havent really done much delving myself ! I came on this forum by accident really as I googled Mary Jane Anders and your thread came up😁. My mum has recently passed and her Dad was Evan John son of Mary jane. so I was just interested.I know you wanted info on her i can tell you the story goes she was from Ireland and landed in Liverpool and apparently won a beauty competition. Then went to Anglesey to work in the castle there. She did die in childbirth after 3rd child but I was told on Anglesey .My Grandad was sent to Widnes after her death.😀😀let me know what you think
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Hi Tracy I am interested in family history I havent really done much delving myself ! I came on this forum by accident really as I googled Mary Jane Anders and your thread came up😁. My mum has recently passed and her Dad was Evan John son of Mary jane. so I was just interested.I know you wanted info on her i can tell you the story goes she was from Ireland and landed in Liverpool and apparently won a beauty competition. Then went to Anglesey to work in the castle there. She did die in childbirth after 3rd child but I was told on Anglesey .My Grandad was sent to Widnes after her death.😀😀let me know what you think
that’s amazing! Do you have messenger? I could send you over the stuff I have and chat more? I’m on fb as Tracy Reeve x
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I’m with my hubby in my profile photos, he has a flat cap and I have green hair 😁👍🏼
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