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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Jopeg on Wednesday 05 April 17 19:41 BST (UK)
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I am interested in finding out some more about this ancestor.
First, who were his parents?
He can be found on the 1851, 61 and 71 censuses with his wife Flora (Swan) and various family members in Dumfriesshire, his birth place is listed as Urr and Wee (is that a mistranscription)?
More importantly he is witness to his wife's death in 1872, but I can't find him after that so...
Second, what happened to him?
Bit of background, two of his daughters went to Canada and the States so it is possible he emigrated, but I can't find him abroad either.
Some family trees have him as remarrying a Mary Carson, but that would put him on two censuses in 1871, so I have ruled that out.
Any suggestions, please.
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Hi,
Urr would be Haugh of Urr & I would assume 'Wee' to be a transcription error.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haugh_of_Urr
"two of his daughters went to Canada and the States"
What about the other children, did they move elsewhere to different areas as he may have gone to live in another town with family i.e. death would be recorded in the town he died?
Have you also tried the 'Fuzzy matching' option for a variation of spelling?
Annie
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Was Urr where Andrew was born or where the census' were taken?
Annie
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Not sure if you've checked this one but he would have been born c1826
HYSLOP ANDREW
86
1912
884/ 1
Urr
Annie
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What was his occupation on his wife's death?
Did his occupation differ on any census' or was his occ. consistent?
Annie
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Lots of questions, thanks.
Occupation was ploughman on wife's death, consistent with censuses.
Is the Andrew Hyslop in 1912 a death?
Born in Urr, not where censuses were taken.
Family, all accounted for apart from son James who I can't find either, he may have died I haven't checked this out.
Fuzzy matching H*slop, nothing else, I'll have a go.
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Thanks,
Knowing he was born Urr is different from where he was last seen on a census & on registering his wife's death.
Where were they living when wife died?
Do you know where she's buried to find out if he's with her?
Yes, the Andrew Hyslop 1912 is a death but that's in Urr as I don't know where he was last sighted & haven't checked elsewhere as I thought Urr was where they were on the census'
Annie
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Death of wife is Applegarth Dumfriesshire, last census is Lauder Hook Cottage, Dryfesdale.
I don't know where Flora is buried.
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Thanks,
The 1912 death looks most likely going by age & area as he may have moved back to his birth place after being widowed.
I put in yr of birth 1823 +/- 5 with death between 1872 & 1924 for all of Scotland & that's the closest match I could find.
I have a relative who lived in Lambeth, Surrey, Middlesex in England who after being widowed went back to his birth place South Uist, Inverness, Scotland where he lived out his life & died.
I haven't checked any census records.
Annie
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Have you ruled this one out...
Andrew Hyslop
Born 27 May 1824, Christened 17 Jun 1824, Langholm
Parents John & Ann Park
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMW-VZQ
Annie
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The family did seem to move around a bit so it wouldn't surprise me if he died elsewhere to where his wife died...
Flora 1855 b Torthorwald
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYPN-3X9
1855 certs. are a mine of extra info. not on any other certs.
1st year of Statutory Registration & the only year to contain those extras.
Henrietta Jane 1857 b Torthorwald
Jess 1861 b Tinwald
Found these which may be of interest as there are Hyslop's named with addresses which may help to determine possible parentage too (both from same site but the home page is worth a visit as it lists quite a few things;
http://donjaggi.net/galloway/urrvoters1835.html
http://donjaggi.net/galloway/urr1802ballot.html
The Horse Tax page list the name as Hislop
Annie
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Possibly Andrew?
HYSLOP ANDREW
Tenant Occupier
FARM OF NETHER AUCHENREACH, URR
1875
Same place, different spelling;
FARM OF NETHER AUCHENREOCH 1876, 1885, 1893, 1894, 1895
Don't see him there after 1895 (if it's him) but may be elsewhere as there are a few Andrew Hyslop's but being a Ploughman this one looked more likely with it being a Farm?
Annie
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The Nether Auchenreach Andrew is not him, they are both on censuses in 1871, also the Auchenreach Andrew is the one that died in 1912. For a long time I thought they were the same person, but I'm pretty sure not.
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Thanks,
At least it eliminates him if nothing else :(
Annie
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possible entry for him in 1881 census in Hutton, Dumfriesshire, widower, farm servant b. Urr. Lost a few years though.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMF2-1YL
;)
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have you eliminated this baptism in 1821?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYMB-6FN
Possible 1841 census entry for him in Irongray
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VYCM-KLB
Possible 1891 census for him boarding in Urr, Dalbeattie aged 74, widower, labourer which then ties in with a death reg aged 75 in Dalbeattie in 1893, registered by a neighbour so details of parents not given, but noted as ag lab and widower of but again no name given.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSX7-RL8
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My problem is that he is consistent with age 1824/1825 across the three censuses that are definitely him.
However, the 1881 seems possible.
Not convinced about the 1891 census.
The baptism I will investigate further, it seems this family had a lot of children, so I may be able to track them down.
Thanks
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In addition to Haugh of Urr, there is also the village of Bridge of Urr; the parish of Urr covers the Dalbeattie area.
Fairly close to Bridge of Urr is Little Park Far, known colloquially as Wee Park.
Not sure if any of this helps, but thought I'd contribute as it's very close to where I live.
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Thanks
I have looked at these censuses and tried to track them backwards and have come to the conclusion that both are probably my Andrew, the death certificate which ties in with the 1891 census gives farm labourer as occupation making it more likely to be him.
Annoyingly it gives no parental details, any suggestions on this are welcome. I have ruled out James Hyslop and Margaret Shaw.