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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: dave the tyke on Wednesday 05 April 17 23:35 BST (UK)
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Hi all, found this on facebook and thought someone might be able to help. I have permission to re-post on here.
I have a mystery that I have wondered about for years. In the seventies I lived on Ravenscliffe and used to take my children to the industrial museum, it used to be a mill, near Fagley I think? There was a disused reservoir with lots of rubbish and dirty water close to the mill and propped up against a wall was an old gravestone. The inscription was as follows, unfortunately I don't have the full date at the end.
In memory of Hannah daughter of William and Mary Haigh of Dudley Hill who departed this world the 30th day of August in the 21st year of her life.
And can you look on this my face without remembering all or part of what I did and what he's done who sent me here with broken heart. To such foul deeds I'd have you look with perfect hatred and despise a man who used deceit and took my moral virtue as a prize.
Also of Mary, wife of William Haigh and Mother of Hannah who departed this life November 18th 18??
It has always puzzled me as to how poor Hannah died, it is a very cryptic inscription, also why was the gravestone left discarded there? I did have a photo of it, not a good one though but might search it out sometime.
Hope someone can help,
thanks
Dave
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This one? National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/28
Hannah Haigh
Age 20
Birth year 1811
Burial date 02 Sep 1831
Bradford, Dudley Hill
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Father William
Mother Mary
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That looks as if it could be the one. I'll have a look at the T&A for that date, next time I'm in Bradford. Thanks groom.
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groom,
Pat Parker the lady who originally put the post on facebook no longer lives in this country but sends her thanks
Dave
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Glad to have helped. Maybe now we have her dates someone may be able to find out more.
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Hannah Haigh was baptised 20th January 1811 at St Peter (Bradford Cathedral). Father William Haigh. I think it says coal manager?
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I think it says Williams occupation is 'cordwainer'. Residence Bowling. The same residence is given in the burial record.
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I think it says Williams occupation is 'cordwainer'. Residence Bowling. The same residence is given in the burial record.
That makes far more sense Jen. ;D
If it was a suicide would a burial in consecrated ground be allowed at that time?
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RG4/3154
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As groom said earlier...
RG 4 / 3154 is Dudley Hill Wesleyan Methodist Burials http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2493673
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The burial appears to be on all 3 major subscription sites.
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Hi, Dave
There is a possible likely marriage:
William Haigh, cordwainer, & Mary Beanland, spinster, both of this parish, residence Bradford. 6th Nov 1809.
Death of Wife Mary:
Mary Haigh
Age 49
Birth year 1787
Burial date 21 Nov 1836
Place Bradford, Dudley Hill
Denomination Wesleyan Methodist
Spouse's first name William
The National Archives reference TNA/RG/4/28
YORKSHIRE: Dudley Hill, Bradford (Wesleyan): Burials
Cas
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There is a possible 1841 for William, this is in Bowling.
Possibly Sarah is Ann's child, (or both) big gap between children.
1841 Wakefield Road, West Side, Bradford, Yorkshire
All b in county
Willm Haigh Male 50, shoemaker
Ann Haigh Female 40
Sarah Haigh Female 10
George Haigh Male 2
Abrm Gibson Male 15 app shoemaker
I googled both Wakefield Rd and Dudley Hill together and seems they are very much the same area, or very near to each other?
Cas
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1851 Wakefield Road, Bradford, Yorkshire
William Haigh, Head, Married Male, 60, Cordwainer, Bowling, Yorkshire
Ann Haigh, Wife, Married Female, 50 Bedale, Yorkshire
Sarah Haigh, Daughter, Unmarried Female, 19, Bowling, Yorkshire
George Haigh, Son, Unmarried Male, 12, Scholar, Bowling, Yorkshire
Robert Mitchell, Servant, Unmarried Male, 46, Cordwainer, Northumberland
1861 wife Ann, age 60, widowed, is a visitor with Munday family in Wakefield Rd, Bowling, Bradford.
Cas
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This William dies 1855, there is a will. States Dudley Hill, Bowling. Maybe no connection, just coincidence?
William Haigh
Date 1855, AUG
Place Bradford
Court York Prerogative & Exchequer Courts. Court detail Prerogative Court of York
Document type Will
Document reference vol.237, f.? Index reference 2336/18
Document ordering http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form/
Prerogative & Exchequer Courts Of York Probate Index, 1688-1858
Possible death.
HAIGH, WILLIAM Age 64
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in BRADFORD AND NORTH BIERLEY YORKSHIRE Volume 09B page 22
Cas
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Possibly Sarah is Ann's child, (or both) big gap between children.
Sarah was born about 1831 so she could be William and Mary's daughter as Mary didn't die until 1836.
Looking at the GRO index for George Haigh, I think his mother's maiden name was Frankland. I can't see a Frankland/Haigh marriage but that could be because a) they married soon after Mary's death and before registration began b) she was a widow and married under that name c) they didn't marry. ;)
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Cannot help with the inscription, nothing comes up on google. It would have been written, versed by her parents.
Just a few thoughts... it could be possible (if there is a connection) that Sarah was Hannah's child born around the time she died possible childbirth ?
Maybe it was not suicide and the parents blamed the chap that took her virtue?
Guess we will never know ???
Added: yes Groom she could also have been Marys.
Cas
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Just a few thoughts... it could be possible (if there is a connection) that Sarah was Hannah's child born around the time she died? Maybe it was not suicide and the parents blamed the chap that took her virtue?
Guess we will never know ???
Added: yes Groom she could also have been Marys.
Cas
Good idea about her being Hannah's as well - born same year Hannah died. I wonder if anyone can find a baptism for Sarah?
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Sarah Haigh married John Munday/Monday 1853, looking if I can find online marriage cert.
Marriage https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DS8-ZKF
Ann Haigh is the widowed visitor with them 1861, would she not be mil, if related?
Looks likely Sarah died 1859,
1861 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M785-DZ3
These births are Sarah's Children, Tom is on 1861 census.
MUNDY GEORGE WILLIAM Mmn HAIGH
GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in BRADFORD AND NORTH BIERLEY, YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 40
MUNDAY, TOM Mmn HAIGH
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in BRADFORD AND NORTH BIERLEY YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 46
Cas
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Sarah Haigh married John Munday/Monday 1853, looking if I can find online marriage cert.
Ann Haigh is the widowed visitor with them 1861, would she not be mil, if related?
Cas
Officially, yes. That does make it sound as if she was Sarah's stepmother, but obviously close if she was a visitor. I really do like your idea of Sarah being Hannah's daughter, that could explain a lot if Hannah died in childbirth. How frustrating that it was before registration as a birth date would have helped.
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On the Sarah Haigh / John Munday marriage, no father's name is given for Sarah. Her residence is Bowling.
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I think Sarah died 1859, up to Tom was hers, think George William must have died an infant.
Death: MUNDAY SARAH age 28
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in BRADFORD AND NORTH BIERLEY YORKSHIRE Volume 09B Page 16
1871 Munday family https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZ3-XQN
Cas
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On the Sarah Haigh / John Munday marriage, no father's name is given for Sarah. Her residence is Bowling.
If William was her father she would have stated, so looks like Mary was not her mother.
Cas
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I agree, so it is looking likely that your theory could be correct, Cas, and she was the illegitimate daughter of Hannah. If so, from the grave inscription, the father wasn't available to marry Hannah, and it looks as if she may have died in childbirth.
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I think it may well be very possible.
I found a link on familysearch naming John Munday as husband in the death of Sarah Munday 10th July 1859 said Beirley, Bradford, which is not that far away from Dudley Hill, but cannot find it again.
Few more pieces of a puzzle, don't think we will ever really know if correct, or what happened.
Cas
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Done a September 1831 search in the BNA with "Haigh" and can only find this so far ...
Limerick Evening Post, 9th September 1831
Tuesday last, a boy twelve years of age, the son of John Haigh, of Netherton, near Huddersfield, hung himself in his loom.
This tragedy reported in Ireland.
Regards Mark
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Done a September 1831 search in the BNA with "Haigh" and can only find this so far ...
Limerick Evening Post, 9th September 1831
Tuesday last, a boy twelve years of age, the son of John Haigh, of Netherton, near Huddersfield, hung himself in his loom.
This tragedy reported in Ireland.
Regards Mark
Interesting there is nothing found in newspaper reports around the date for Hannah possibly ending her life. I would give up the chase Mark. I think the OP has lost interest as been on line since I posted. So would not expect a response.
Cas
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Sorry I have not replied to any of your posts - holidays + I have not had any of the usual notifications.
Sarah the illegitimate daughter of Hannah who died in childbirth seems the most likely scenario. - thanks for that groom and cas.
I'll report back to facebook with your findings, if I can find the original post
Dave
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"Many thanks Dave, that gives a different aspect to her story. Although it is still a sad scenario it is better than thinking she died by her own hand. It is good to know her daughter lived on, possibly with children of her own. Well done your friends on RootsChat.! Pat."
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