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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Adelaide Hills on Thursday 06 April 17 23:54 BST (UK)
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Hello I do not know if I am on the right rack ,I am not very good with computers I am Enjoying RootChat with different people I would like to know if this is the right site to fine A THOMAS GAGHEN
born ABOUT 1825 BEAGH KILMAC DUAGH GALWAY Wife Margaret O'Tool from Dudlin about 1834
left on the Grand Trianon for Adelaide arrived 23 March 1855. Thank you for you time Cheers :) :)
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Hi Adelaide Hills,
It would be best if I split your post from this topic and post it on the Galway board. You should get some responses there.
Spades
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Thank you I am never sure what to type in the subject box .There are so many Places to look at cheers Gail :) :) :)
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Hi Gail,
It's always best to include the name of the individual you're researching and other relevant information, i.e. exactly what I have done when renaming this new topic.
Your goal is to attract readers to your topic.
See http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_best.php for more ideas.
Spades
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Thanks this what I have Thomas and Margaret arrived in adelaide 1855 on the Grand Trianon. The nane on ship records the name was splet GALALAN There was a baby girl born her name was Anne they were married and both 21 years old .The ship left Mersey Liverpool and left 23 march 1855 .I know name spelling might not be right They lived in adelaide and had 10 children Phillip second child was my grandfather. My mother Myrtle Clare was the youngest born 1914 . I was only child my mother died when I was 7yrs old
Not many still around thank you for your time and advice Cheers Gail :) :)
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Hello and welcome ;)
I think the Galway reference might be Kilmacduagh and thus index shows Geoghegan in that civil parish.
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/kilmacduagh.htm
You say though that Margaret was from Dublin. Civil registration for Catholics did not start until 1864 so you would be looking for a parish record.
There is this one in Enniskerry Parish, Wicklow -October 1853 - Thomas Geoghegan and Margaret Toole. There is no family information though.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633395#page/115/mode/1up
Regards
Heywood
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Baptism for Anne Geoghegan September 1854
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633395#page/76/mode/1up
This may be your family but there is always an element of doubt with so little supporting information.
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Kilmacduagh records begin too late for your dates
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0623
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WOW THANK YOU SO MUCH I really appreciate everything you are doing . can we try and find out with the Kilmacduah Galway parish records dates maybe brothers ? Are the names on the right hand side where they were living? But the best is Thomas a and Margaret marriage certificate . Where is Enniskerry parish Wicklow .If the child Ann was theirs would should be an the ships records . I am trying to read the witness on the certificate I think I need stronger glasses ha ha .Again thank you so much I am so excited .I am sure everyone feels the same like finding where it al began . :) ;) :) ; ; ;) :)
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Ah now, I thought you meant that Anne was on the ship record which would help the evidence.
You can look on a map for Enniskerry - about 15 miles south of Dublin but quite a way from Galway.
The writing on the right just says 'Witn' for witnesses.
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Do be cautious - it might not be your family.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/grandtrianon1855.shtml
There is no baby Anne on the ship's list here.
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You are right , just maybe Thomas was a farm hand and they met in Dublin I think Margaret came from Dublin but I will go through my bits of paper that I have collected and see if I can find more information l realy appreciate what you are doing and i guess fact need to be proven but I will keep trying cheers :) :) :)
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On records shown on Another site, Margaret is shown as from Galway :-\
Best to check through your records.
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Hi had a computer glich wrote a letter and lost it so here we go again.I found the letter sent to me from Roma Holman. 14-2-1996 yep this is how long I have been at this ( in those days I wrote lots of letters ) Roma was the granddaughter of Julia 3RD child of Thomas. When they were in Ireland they looked for Thomas and Margaret birth certificate
But they realized that a lot were distroyed in1916 distroyed 1820-1860 papers in Dublin
Roma did not know which Parish Church in Galway and in those days the Churches did not release any records. Also she thought that their daughter Ann was born on the ship
I have Anns was married on the 4th Feb 1877 to Hugo Delacy . Thomas and Margaret are buried in Adelaide west terrace in tbe Catholic section
Thomas died 30th 1890 Margaret 1834.well that all I have again thank you for your time and effort Cheers Gail :) :) :) :)
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There would be no birth certificate- too early. You would be looking at Parish records.
I have given links to what I think might be the parish but the records there are too late!
Do you have a year of birth for Ann?
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Hi only what we thought of, if she was born on the ship there is no record and if the Ann you found . But how did she get to Adelaide With the Ann you found did she Pass away in Ireland ? These are only guess . With the records how can we find out about the witness were they brother or sisters. How did you know Margaret was from Galway I did not know that so I still have learnt something How do you do this sorting through everything it is amazing. Cheers :Gail :) :) :) :) :)
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I think we had better forget the Enniskerry record :( for now anyway.
Griffiths Valuation shows both Geoghegan and Toole families in Enniskerry area
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/wicklow/powerscourt.htm
Sorry about that. I was encouraged by the birth of Ann.
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Thats o.k. we will just put our thinkng caps on and what wil. Be will be thank if you comd up with any thing else let me know. Am off to bed now night time here talk later . Thanks for for trying Cheers Gail😀😁😀😁
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Morning Mr Haywood , I went through the parish records they were interesting even though they were not mine . I just thought of something Phillip son of Thomas was married twice (my line is from the second marriage) Do you think if I got his First Marriage Certificate it MIGHT have were his father came from ? Adelaide certificate for 26th August 1882 might help if not have you any thoughts . Guess it is night time your end . My daughter lives in Cork chat soon Cheers Gail😀😀😀😀
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Hello again,
The information you have re Thomas' origins seems quite specific doesn't it. When I first searched I couldn't find a mention of Beagh so looked to Kilmacduagh.
Searching again gives a parish of Beagh - the next one to Kilmacduagh/Gort.
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/beagh.htm
There are Geoghegans there too but no Toole/O'Toole. There are variations of the name - interestingly a Gahahan.
Sadly, the records are not helpful re the dates.
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0614
Heywood (I am female :) )
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Hi just got home from work, I am very sorry about your name , its funny I had a Mr Haywood at school when I was little. Any way I very much appreciated all the work you are doing for me . I certainly didn't realize the magnitude of the names and places in Ireland .It is so interesting , well I can understand why they shortened their name to Gaghen . I wonder if I got copies of the children birth certificate they might have If Thomas had a second name or his place of birth . Yes I know I am clutching at straws but then I know we have done our very best and I know they came from some in Galway Ireland , my daughter and family live in Cork hope to catch up with her later this year .
If you have any other thought s or ideas love to hear them Cheers Gail😀😁😀😁
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Hi have just been going through some paper work I found this from ancestry Thomas Gaghen birth About 1826 Kilcloon , Batterstown and Kilcock, Meath and Kildare Ireland
Is this any were near Galway not sure weather this is any good as i find so many mistakes and so many things in Anstrey. Well lets see what happens 😀😀😀😀😀
Cheers Gail
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THOMAS GAGHEN born ABOUT 1825 BEAGH KILMAC DUAGH GALWAY Wife Margaret O'Tool from Dudlin about 1834
left on the Grand Trianon for Adelaide arrived 23 March 1855. Thank you for you time Cheers :) :)
Going back to the beginning - where does this information come from? This place seems quite likely as the ship's list gives Galway as place of origin.
If this is correct we have looked at two neighbouring parishes but their records start too late.
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This is what we have seen already- note no place of residence transcribed for Margaret - assumed perhaps both Galway.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/grandtrianon1855.shtml
The same records transcribed for Find My Past are in the name of Gahagan and Margaret's place of origin shows Galway.
It could just be an interpretation of the records which is transcribed and unless the original record is seen you wouldn't know.
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Wow you have been busy , I am not sure were I got the information about Thomas beagh kilmac duagh it was in my notes from awhile back. Do were we know were we can see tne original paper ok yes it maybe a couple of hundred years old ha ha .I am realy stuck there were lots and lots of Thomas a Margaret from galwaythe intersting thing id they said they were 21 on the ship but when Thomas died in Adelaid 30th August 1890 he was 66 on death certificate I know some people fib about their ages here goes cheers
😀😀😀Gail
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This is what we have seen already- note no place of residence transcribed for Margaret - assumed perhaps both Galway.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/grandtrianon1855.shtml
The same records transcribed for Find My Past are in the name of Gahagan and Margaret's place of origin shows Galway.
It could just be an interpretation of the records which is transcribed and unless the original record is seen you wouldn't know.
Research on Thomas and his wife in South Australia and sources of information including information from BISA
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768182.0
The survival rate for passenger lists in South Australia is poor.
Sources for information on the website -
State Library South Australia,
Official passenger lists, mainly of Immigrants arriving in South Australia under United Kingdom assisted passage schemes, 1847-1886 GRG 35/48 (formerly ACC 313);
Sydney Shipping Gazette;
South Australian Register;
The South Australian Government Gazette;
GRG 35/48/2 Crown lands and Immigrant ships papers;
Biographical index SA 1836-1885 (the B-index column indicates individuals who may be found in that index, with corresponding reference number for further research) ;
FreeBMD;
1851 UK census
From SA Records
https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/content/our-catalogue
Series Id: GRG35/48
Records relating to official assisted immigration - Crown Lands and Immigration Office Consignment/Sub-Series:00001
Official assisted passage passenger lists - use microfiche in the Research Centre.
Unit:7
Official assisted passenger lists, 1855
Surname Year First name/List No Volume
GAHAGAN1855 Margaret 55/19 7
GAHAGAN 1855 Thomas 55/19 7
You would need to visit either the State Library of South Australia or SA Records.
Their dau Ann was not born on the journey to Adelaide. It would have been noted on the Ships List website.
Cando
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Hi Cando ,hope all is well with you would it be worth me writing a letter to then asking for a copy of the records or do you think they did not put much in formation on it in those days I have been trying to find Thomas and Margaret but not much to go on and have learnt a lot about how there are Cheers Gail😀😀😀😀
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A new addition on SA Records website. And not before time. Images of 'assisted passenger' lists.
These official passenger lists record emigrants selected by the Colonization Commissioners, London, whose passages were paid for out of the Emigration Fund.
http://www.archives.sa.gov.au/content/official-passenger-lists
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My goodness are you a miracle worker . So did the passanger have to apply for this or were they selected was it the time of the potato fammin . Well i just look ed at the clock .nearly midnight so i had better go to bed work tomorrow see you in the morning Cheers Gail 😴😴😴😴😴😴
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Hello hope every one had a good Easter Break. Well I think that Thomas GAHAGAN ship has sailed I have just got a letter from the Catholic Archdiocese of Adelaide, there was no christening information for Caroline Theresa and James Alexander Gaghan born in Adelaide . Could not find any information on some of the other children were there parents came from except Galway.
But that is o.k. I really appreciate ALL the help you gave me .
So now can You helped me with finding out who was my mum's mum was EMMA MATILDE CLARA . I know that her parents were JOHANN CARL HEINRICH QUALLMAN AND SOPHIA MNARIA WALDHUTER
Did they come from Germany or were they born in South Australia or were there parents born in Germany ?if so how can I find out from the German side of things? Thank you Cheers Gail
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Hi Gail,
sorry to hear that news.
You would be best to start a new topic now re your mum's family. I would imagine that the Australian board be best to begin with to establish dates and take it from there.
good luck
heywood
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Thank you lady Haywood I have realy appreciated every thing you have helped me with and all the best for you Cheers Gail🦁🐯😀👱👵👩🐭🐶🐵
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Hi just thought of something, if you ever see any one asking about the Gaghen family that had a brother called Thomas and he went to live in south australia drop me a line .
You never know what is around the corner never give up Cheers Gail🐭🦄🐵🐒😀😀😀😀
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Hopefully Gail, if they do, they will search and find this :)
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Hi back again,about the GAGHEN just a thought .Ann , Thomas first daughter not sure weather she was born just after they arrived in Adelaide we could not find a birth certificate or Christing (about 1855) I know she married Hugo Deacy in 1877 in Adelaide would ther be any information on tne certificate were she was born ond daye.Also I can't fi nd a death certificate in south Australia I thought that since they were Catholic how do I check if they moved interstate and she deid there . Hope you can help Cheers Gail
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Hi Gail :)
Unfortunately South Australian certificates are scant on information. Only the fathers of the bride and groom are detailed.
Another spelling variation of GAGHEN/AN ::)
DE LACY Hugo Leonard 21 years Status Single Father Allan Cameron DE LACY
GEGHEN Anne 21 years Status Single Father Thomas GEGHEN
2 Apr 1877
At St Patrick's Church Adelaide Ade 110/484
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article208181945
The Express and Telegraph 5 Apr 1877
De LACY—GAGHEN—On February 4th, at West-terrace Chapel, by the Rev. Father Byrne,
Hugo Leonard DeLacy, son of Allan Cameron DeLacy, of Melbourne, to Annie Rosina, daughter of Thomas Gaghen, of Mitcham.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article208309030
The Express and Telegraph 14 Dec 1876
Hugo de Lacy, actor, was charged with absenting himself from the service of John Oarstairs, licensed victualler, without leave or lawful excuse. The information was withdraw
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article40790007
South Australian Register 3 Sep 1877
STEP-DANCING TAUGHT by Hugo DeLacy. Apply White Horse Hotel, Currie-streeet
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page22864482
Express and Telegraph, Adelaide 23 Oct 1884
TO PROFESSIONALS.—Wanted a handy MAN for CONCERT HALL BUSINESS.
Apply to Hugo DeLacy, Galatea Hotel, Hindley-street.
Good amateur not objectionable
1898 NSW
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article112287803
1903 NSW
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article107237797
1906 NSW
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article107200768
Australian Electoral Roll
1913 NSW Gordon/High Street, Willoughby
DE LACY Annie Penshurst Street Domestic Duties
DE LACY Hugo Lyster Penshurst Street Independent Means
Deaths in NSW
19595/1926
DELACY Hugo L
Father Alan C L Mother Mary
District Newtown
12229/1925
DELACY Annie
Father Thomas Mother Margaret
District Chatswood
Cando
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Hi Cando, have just got home from work. You are so good the very best this is a great help. I had know idea were they were or were they died. They certainly had an interesting life. Thank you so much.will keep in touch 😊😊😊😊😊😊
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Pleased to have helped you Gail.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hi There well back again , Have found out that The Ireland, Selection of Catholic Parish Baptisms 1742-1881 there was a Thomas GAGHEN but was told that he was 12 on the 12th August 1838 .
I thought they Baptised children when born . guess am clutching at straws but one day they will
lead to Rome ha again I appreciate your time Cheers Gail ;D
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HI, Have been going over my records of Thomas Gaghen. Have been given a Baptismal Certificate for Philip (Larence) GEOGHEGAN Baptised on the 26th April 1857 (South Road) at Archbishops House West Terrace Adelaide. Father Thomas Geoghegan Mother Mararet Toole. by a Catholic Priest Charles Thompson. His sister Ann was not born on the ship but must have been born in Adelaide after 1855 and before 1857. Any help I would Appreciate Cheers :) :) :)
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HI, Have been going over my records of Thomas Gaghen. Have been given a Baptismal Certificate for Philip (Larence) GEOGHEGAN Baptised on the 26th April 1857 (South Road) at Archbishops House West Terrace Adelaide. Father Thomas Geoghegan Mother Mararet Toole. by a Catholic Priest Charles Thompson. His sister Ann was not born on the ship but must have been born in Adelaide after 1855 and before 1857. Any help I would Appreciate Cheers :) :) :)
There was a reluctance by certain sections of the SA community including Roman Catholics and the Scottish to register their childrens' births. Many considered baptism to be a sufficient record. In the Colony of South Australia many settlers lived a great distance from a bdm registrar and of course if they were late with the birth registration of their child/children, there were substantial fines. As with all paper bases records that had to be submitted to a central office, many were lost locally or simply didn't arrive. All birth information was given verbally to a local registrar which resulted in some rather strange spelling possibly due to illiteracy and accents. Someone else may be able to explain in greater detail.
First marriage -stated he was born c1859
GAGHEN Philip 23 years Status Single Father Thomas GAGHEN
NUTTER Hannah 20 years Status Single Father James NUTTER
26 Aug 1882
At St Luke's Church, Adelaide Ade 132/879
Second marriage appears to be born c1860
GAGHEN Philip Laurance 32 years Status Widower Father Thomas GAGHEN
COLMAN Emma Clara 22 years Status Single Father Henry John COLMAN
11 May 1892
At the Registry Office [Adelaide] Ade 171/649
Death
GAGHEN Phillip Lawrence 74 years Status Married No relative noted
4 Aug 1935
Residence Exeter Death Place Exeter PtA 572/3115
His burial at Cheltenham cemetery - born c1861
GAGHEN Phillip Lawrence Interred on 5 Aug 1935 at 74 Years of age.
Previously lived in EXETER, SA. Located at Section BX. There are two other burials at the same location. You can search for them yourself if you wish - there are other family members listed on this database of cemeteries
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/Records
These are the births I can find on my resource
GHGAN John
D21 Nov 1861
Father Thomas GHGAN Mother Margaret TOOLE
At Mitcham Ade 20/224
GEOGAN Catherine
1 Dec 1863
Father Thomas GEOGAN Mother Margaret TOOLE
At Mitcham Ade 31/37
GEHGAN Mary
16 Feb 1866-
Father Thomas GEHGAN Mother Margaret TOOLE
At Mitcham Ade 33/504
GAGHEN Margaret
9 Sep 1870
Father Thomas GAGHEN Mother Margaret TOOLE
At West Mitcham Ade 87/344
District Code: Ade
GAGHEN Emma
1 Dec 1874
Father Thomas GAGHEN Mother Margaret TOOLE
At West Mitcham Ade 130/345
GAGHEN Edward Thomas
10 Oct 1877
Father Thomas GAGHEN Mother Margaret TOOLE
At West Mitcham Ade187/29
You can search for BDMs on SA Genealogy
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
and note there are databases with limited information.
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Some of us other resources which have a little more detail.
Cando
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http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article207591043
The Express and Telegraph 26 Jan 1867
Misconduct.—Thomas Geoghan appeared to answer a charge of misconducting himself
towards police-constable Adams. The constable said Geoghan, on Saturday night, came up to
him whilst he was on duty and continued to abuse him for some considerable time. His Worship,
having admonished the prisoner, dismissed him.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article33745022
The South Australian Advertiser 1877
De LACY—GAGHEN—On February 4th, at West-terrace Chapel, by the Rev. Father Byrne,
Hugo Leonard DeLacy, son of Allan Cameron DeLacy, of Melbourne, to Annie Rosina,
daughter of Thomas Gaghen, of Mitcham.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article30799186
The South Australian Advertiser 1884
MARRIED.
GEOGHAN — MATHER. — On the 2nd March, by special license, at the residence of the bride's sister, Michael Charles Geoghan, eldest son of Thomas Geoghan, of Franklin street, to Adelaide Emily, fourth and youngest daughter of Mr. Archibald Mather, of Adelaide
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article35955343
The South Australian Advertiser 1884
GAGHAN—HUPPATZ.—On the 21st February, at Saddleworth, by the Rev. F. C. Handel, S.J., John J., second son of Mr. Gaghan, Esq., Arkaba, to Mary J. E., second daughter of F. Huppitz, Esq., of Saddleworth.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article26760532
The Advertiser 1890
GAGHEN.-On the 30th August, at his residence, Mitcham. Thomas, the beloved husband of Margaret Gaghen, in his 66th year. Melbourne papers please copy.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article208577543 1891
The Express and Telegraph
GAGHEN.- On the 12th November, at Mitcham, Edward Thomas, fourth son of Margaret and the late Thomas.Gaghen, aged 14 years.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article24483456
The Advertiser 1889
RYAN — GAGHEN. —On the 31st August, at St. Mary's, Mitcham. by the Rev. Father Gondolfi, James
Alexander, eldest son of the late James Ryan, of Craigburn, Coromandel Valley, to Caroline, third daughter of Thomas Gachen, of West Mitcham.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article210531716
The Express and Telegraph 1901
O'CONNOR—GAGHEN.—On the 30th October, at the Monastery, Glen Osmond, by the Rev. Father Alfred, P. J. O'Connor, late of Burra, S.A.. to Emma, youngest daughter of the late Thomas Gaghen, of Mitcham, S.A.
The Chronicle 1917
SILVER WEDDING
MEAD— GAGHEN.— On the 30th January, 1892, at the Church of the Holy Cross, Goodwood, by the Rev. Father Glandolfi, William, son of Mr. Arthur Mead, of Goodwood, to Margaret (Siss), daughter of the late Thomas Gaghen, of Blythwood, Mitcham. Present address—Hazeljean 2 William-street, Goodwood Park, S.A.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article165649583
The Observer 1921
GAGHEN.—On the 18th August, at the residence of her son-in-law, Mr. William Head, William street. Goodwood Park, Margaret Gaghen, relict of Thomas Gaghen of Blythwood, Mitcham.
Cando
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I remember helping you with this family previously ;D Memory is a little slow these days
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768182.msg6205288#msg6205288
Cando
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Hi Cando, I replied last nigh, can't find it. but again you have worked your magic wand. I rechecked and found something interesting Was it the Biographical Index of south Australia 1836 to 1885 you found that Thomas GAGHEN was born 1834 Galway Ireland if that is the case I have been looking at a Thomas GAGHEN born 1825 Beagh wrong one. So maybe there will be church records for that year. ( I love clutching at any straws) Sorry to have bothered you to repeat yourself. there is so much that we have to sift through. Thank you for what you do cheers :) ;) ;D ;D
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilmacduagh_monastery
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0623 Kilmacduagh start too late!
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:)Thank you, it is beautiful and amazing history you never know what you can find :) :) :) :)
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Gail the original passenger list of which I posted a snip, shows the couple to be from Galway. Information in BISA is taken from many sources and compiled by the SA Genealogy many years ago. Yes there are some inaccuracies and omissions but the internet wasn't around to simply search by the click of a mouse!! Lots of hard work and all credit to those volunteers and submitters of family information.
I think you may have to take what information was available at that time. The certificates in South Australia were pretty scant on information in that era. More along the lines of the English ones.
Where did you source the information that Thomas was born Beagh Kilmacduagh? Did you find an obituary for him?
Cheers :)
Cando
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Hi Cando, you are right, the work people have put in, doing the paper work would have been so hard languages and pronunciation, they did their best as you always do now😁😁😁😁 The BISA had his age as 34yrs what year was that ? As on the passenger ship list he and Margeret were 21 . My information I am sorry to say was from Ancetry 😓😓I know they not always confirmed. It is pouring rain here are you coping with the heat there? Again I do appreciate your time 😁😁😁😁😁Gail
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Beautiful day here in north west Victoria after showers overnight. :)
Information from BISA clearly shows born 1834 Galway, Ireland however it does not shows the source. Could be from the shipping lists or death information. It also shows Margaret O'TOOLE born Galway but that could have been taken from the shipping list. Unless you can find their births and marriages in parish records then that's it.
GAGHAN Thomas born 1834 Galway Ireland
Died 30 Aug 1890 Buried West Terrace Cemetery
Arrived 1855 GRAND TRIANON
Lived Adelaide, Mitcham Religion Roman Catholic
Married Margaret nee O'TOOLE Born 1834 Galway Ireland Died 18 Aug 1921
Children Annie 1855-, Philip, Julia MONAGHAN 1860-, John, Caroline, Mary, James Margaret, Emma, Edward Thomas c1877-1891
Cando
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Hi Cando , the laugh is on me thought you lived in England🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 but you are just up the road ( in the same state😀😀 . The dates sound o.k. so I will have ago . and start again and see if there is any thing in Galway around the time for his birth or a marriage .. You never know .talk soon Gail😁😁😁😁😁
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Hi there ,well you can't believe all you read!!!!!!! Thomas Gaghen was supposely on the ship" The Grand Trianon" but I have found him on the ship " Fitzjames" arrivied same year but in September listed
GEOGHAN Thomas wife Margaret AND daughter Anne. from Wicklow he was a stone mason. Thomas was 35 she 23 . it is all fitting in now. will keep on searching for marriage ect .Thank you for your help as I will still need it Cheers Gail :) :) :) :) :)
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Hello,
I am just trying to catch up with this.
If I am reading correctly, the marriage and birth found earlier may now be relevant to your search. Is that right?
Heywood
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Yep, the information in South Australia i s corect and the children . But the arrival on the ship was wrong..There is a marriage certificate for Thomas and Margaret 10th Oct 1853 at Enniskerry Dublin, A birth reg at Ennishkerry for Ann 3 sept 1854 on the ship Ann is classed as a infant . And on the ships record they came from Wicklow .(sorry about the typing I am just excited) This all came about by just typing in Geoghan into any shipping records betwee 1855 @1860. .I just thought maybe brothers might have come out later. I can't wait to continue to follow the line . Hope all is well with you Cheer Gail 😁😁😁😁😁 .
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Perhaps it was illiteracy or accents that resulted in the various spelling variations of this name. Very difficult to search the records when you give the surname GAGHEN and their childrens births were not registered with the surname GEOGHAGEN. Fortunately I have the South Australian CD"s of births, death and marriages and can search using wildcards or simply the letter G and parents Thomas and Margaret.
There were two Thomas and Margaret GEOGHEGAN and alternative spellings, arriving in 1855 although the FITZJAMES is officially shows as 1856 as it arrived 31 Dec 1855.
GEOGHEGAN Thomas. Arrived by 1855.
Lived Adelaide Religion Roman Catholic
Married Margaret nee FAHY
Children Patrick 1855-, Bridget 1957-, Michael 1859-, Margaret 1862- and John 1866.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/grandtrianon1855.shtml
This couple's arrival has already been shown on the thread.
GEOGHEGAN Thomas Arrived by 1857
Lived South Road and Mitcham. Religion Roman Catholic
Married Margaret nee TOOLE
Children Phillip 1857-, Julia 1859-, John 1861-, Catherine 1863-, Mary 1866-, James 1868-1946, Emma 1874 and Thomas Edward 1877-.
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/fitzjames1856.shtml
Cheers
Cando
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YOU ARE THE BEST you are right one person that is missing in the chrildren is my line is Phillip I have a baptism certificate born 24th of April 1857 given to me my a long lost cousin..I found in Queensland. Also margarte B.9-9-1870 and a Caroline Theresa B. About 1865. I have only those date but no information. But maybe they belong to the other couple . I have the day off work am enjoying house work instead 😂😂😂😂😂.Thank you for the interruption keep going😁cheers Gail😁😁
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Hi opps am having lunch and reread you email Philip was there sorry ,I just get excited I guess persistence pays off . I really enjoy the information you send me ,it makes me think. :) :) :)
I love the way unexpected surprises come about. take care gail ;D ;D ;D
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Hello, Lady Haywood, I just going though my notes and found you and I thought would let you know something I found out .You helped me quiet a lot with Thomas and Margaret GAGHEN. but we got stuck. It was my fault. the letter I received in 1996 stated that the Gaghens came on the Grand Trianon ship 1855 but Was wrong. You were on the right track .The ship they came on was the "Fitzjame" arrived in Adelaide 31st December 1855.and had their daughter Ann with them. So the records that you found was for them in Enniskerry. I let Cando know also . As these are the books in the south Australian library and the S.A.H.S. The first Thomas and Mary were from Galway
So in the olden days when people looked it up by hand, they would have just thought it was them.
So now the harder part is "who are their parents "and "where did they come from". Family History has come along way with hard work from all. if you can help let know what you need.
thank you and Cheers Gail
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Lovely news to hear :)
Thanks for the update and best wishes
Heywood
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Yes it is great news , my question is should I start with church records, in Wicklow or Enniskerry
as that is were they were married .Thomas was 35 and Margaret was 23 in 1855. I am hoping to
go to Ireland next year. so I can "find my Roots " :) :) :)
Keep in touch Cheers Gail.
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Here are the parish records Enniskerry
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0476
There is limited information. You could try searching for your people but as the marriage record was a parish record, there are no fathers’ names.
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Hi, yes you are right I found their Marriage and Ann's batpised dates but no other information.
I worked out that Thomas was born maybe 1820 and Margaret about 1832. What are births like
to fined in the years that I need .in that That do you think? or I am just happy with Enniskerry.Cheers Gail :) :)
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If you take 1832 as an approximate birth year, there are a few possibilities. You cannot rely on ages always being exact.
You could look at these baptisms for Margaret Toole
15th April 1827 Parents Patrick and Sarah
16th April 1827 John and Anne
3rd November 1831 John and Judith
18th July 1832 Alexander and Mary
24th July 1832 Edward and Elizabeth
There is a published tree which has Alexander and Mary but I don’t think it is verified.
You have Ann’s baptism- do the sponsors names give any clues?
The Parish Records begin 1825 so too early for Thomas.
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Hello Back again Have been having a great time "chasing" the Family. The new branch is the CANERON Clan. Peter CAMERON born Inverness Scotland, wife Mary Mc Gillivary married 1845 Inverness came out to south Australia on the ship Omega1852.
I would like to find out about Peter's parents where they were born and was he born there also, I hope to travel there next year, so thought there might be a church or information what I could go and see. Thank you for your time Cheers Gail
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Hello Back again Have been having a great time "chasing" the Family. The new branch is the CANERON Clan. Peter CAMERON born Inverness Scotland, wife Mary Mc Gillivary married 1845 Inverness came out to south Australia on the ship Omega1852.
I would like to find out about Peter's parents where they were born and was he born there also, I hope to travel there next year, so thought there might be a church or information what I could go and see. Thank you for your time Cheers Gail
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I assume he is CAMERON and not CANERON.
What were his folks names?
I’d suggest starting a new thread on the Scotland board, stating everything you know about the family.
Note the spelling on the marriage index:
CAMERON PETER MARY MACGILLIVRAY/ 5/9/1845 098/ 140 236 Inverness
Jamjar
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Hello you are right got my "M"&"N" mixed up his Dad was Alexander and Mum was Janet nee Grant, May I ask what is the best way to get to the Scotland board. thank you for replying :) :) :)
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Scotland Inverness board:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/inverness/
Jamjar
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His birth:
CAMERON PETER ALEXANDER CAMERON/JANE GRANT 24-8-1822 157/ 20 17 Inveravon
Jamjar
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Thank you Jamar, put a post on the Scotland board and your information is great cheers :) :) :)