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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: WarlowPhillips on Thursday 06 April 17 18:53 BST (UK)
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Hullo! I'm new to this and came across this thread when searching for a relative. So I'm not sure if I should join in this thread. Help please? Anyway my great x 3 grandparents were Richard and Mary Warlow who married in Roch or Nolton Haven in 1838. Mary was born around 1811 her father is written as Levi Howell from Henry's Moat/New Moat on the wedding certificate. This is where I'm stuck. Daughter and I had difficulty finding a Levi for that sort of age group. There was one who was born in 1787 illegitimate (wording was actually bastard). The father was named as John Howell, blacksmith of New Moat. We have no idea of Levi's mother though as she was not mentioned. There were quite a number of Levis around then. Anyone got any ideas?
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Hullo! I'm new to this and came across this thread when searching for a relative. So I'm not sure if I should join in this thread. Help please? Anyway my great x 3 grandparents were Richard and Mary Warlow who married in Roch or Nolton Haven in 1838. Mary was born around 1811 her father is written as Levi Howell from Henry's Moat/New Moat on the wedding certificate. This is where I'm stuck. Daughter and I had difficulty finding a Levi for that sort of age group. There was one who was born in 1787 illegitimate (wording was actually bastard). The father was named as John Howell, blacksmith of New Moat. We have no idea of Levi's mother though as she was not mentioned. There were quite a number of Levis around then. Anyone got any ideas?
Hello welcome to Rootschat :)
Best if you start your own thread, as it could get lost in the original posters info. If you find a connection can add to this thread later.
Will ask a mod to split the thread for you.
Cas
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Welcome to Rootschat from me too.
The parish marriage entry from Roch shows both of them resident in Nolton Haven, the place of residence is for bridge & groom, not the fathers.
1861 census shows Mary's place of birth as Henry's Moat and there's a marriage in that parish 25 May 1809 for Levy Howell & Elizabeth Lloyd, shortly followed by a baptism of son Thomas to the couple.
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1851 census Levi & Elizabeth are in Henry's Moat, Levi's place of birth given as New Moat. HO107/2480 folio 324 pg 2. New Moat registers for that period are not available online, but can be accessed at the Pembrokeshire record office
http://www.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/content.asp?id=15732
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Thanks to everyone. Really appreciated. So quick too! I'll check up on Elizabeth Lloyd. How will I find out who Levi's mother was though?
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As no civil reg until much later, and only his father named on bapt, I think it could be quite difficult to pin down.
Just my thoughts...
On the 1841 same family given in 1851, there is a Mary b circa 1821. Your Mary was b c 1811, and married 1838. But no relationships given 1841.
Cas
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Sorry, some of the New Moat BT registers are on FindMyPast. There's a burial 3 Feb 1794 of a Levy, natural son of Mary Griffiths of Stepaside who may be the child baptised in 1787.
Can't tell where you are in the world, so don't know how practical contacting the record office is for you, but sight of the baptism entry rather than the entry written up later for the Bishop's transcript may give other info.
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Thanks Cas and osprey, point taken. Have to say I thought the same as osprey, found that entry, so perhaps the Levi father of Mary Howell was not illegitimate. Find my Past also gives a record of "Levi" as a surname. It is obviously wrong when you look. Found an entry for a Levi Howel (christian names) with Gibby as a surname. I live in Pembs so think it will be a visit to the Record Office. It's a strange journey as I had no idea until recently that my maternal grand father's family were from Pembs. We moved here in 2002 and I love it.
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West Wales...It is one of my fave parts of the whole world! Visited often, you are very lucky, I hope to retire there (I wish) :P
I live in the South.
Good luck with your FH search.
Cas :)
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John Howell, blacksmith of New Moat, will almost certainly have been the son of Griffith Howell and Mary Morgan, baptised at New Moat on the 20th March 1766. Griffith Howell married Mary Morgan at New Moat on the 12th November 1757.
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Yes thanks Cas. Have visited all the churches that we found to have connections. Its quite emotional especially as they are all in beautiful places. However the Warlow connection were miners. This was a tough time which people rarely realise about Pembs. I have read records about 4 year olds working at the mine as a normal situation. When the coal ran out around 1865 is when my family moved to another mining area Glyncorrwg, Neath. I knew about Glyncorrwg as my grand father was born there. The strange thing is though that my husband's family farmed the land there whilst mine "farmed" underground. However the Howells were farmers. Thank again.
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John Howell, blacksmith of New Moat, will almost certainly have been the son of Griffith Howell and Mary Morgan, baptised at New Moat on the 20th March 1766. Griffith Howell married Mary Morgan at New Moat on the 12th November 1757.
We thought this but its so difficult when someone is illegitimate. The strange thing is that the mother's name was not on the Baptism record. I've learnt that the parish supported illegitimate children and encouraged the naming of the father to save parish costs until the Poor Law came in. But on this occasion no mention of Mum.
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if you can get to check the registers, have a look at Levi's marriage in 1809 in case the names of the witnesses help.
Also, I'm not finding baptisms for the children after Thomas bp 1809, so it's possible that the family were non-conformist.
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Topic split.
Spades
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Thank you for sorting my post, Spades.
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if you can get to check the registers, have a look at Levi's marriage in 1809 in case the names of the witnesses help.
Also, I'm not finding baptisms for the children after Thomas bp 1809, so it's possible that the family were non-conformist.
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This was the problem daughter and I found. I had a look on Ancestry and think that you are right. They became non-conformists by the look of it. There was such a huge revival thing going on at the time. In Wales where you have a Church of England (now Church in Wales) there is usually a non conformist chapel across the road! I wasn't allowed near a chapel when I was a child. Consequently I am very happy for everyone to do as they wish in their religious beliefs. The visits to the churches havn't been wasted though as I found the graves of the Howell families at New Moat and Llanycefn. Warlows were all Church in Wales people and Mary and Richard are buried at the church in Glyncorrwg. This is interesting as I believe in order to be married in the church you had to be christened in the church. I'll check for a baptism for Mary Howell nearer her marriage in 1838. Thanks all for your help and patience.
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in the period between Hardwicke's marriage Act and the start of the civil registration in 1837, marriages had to be in the parish church apart from for Quakers & Jews. With the start of civil registration, marriages could be in non-conformist churches but a registrar had to be there to record it. This was the case until the 1890s. So, I doubt there was insistence on having been baptised in what was then the established church in Wales. The Church in Wales was disestablished by an act of parliament in the 1910s.
One of my family lines were non-conformist and yet the marriages were in parish churches.
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Hello
Do you know approximately which year Richard Warlow, from Nolton, was born?
If it was about 1809 we may have a link via shared ancestor.
Cheers
Byron