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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Clare => Topic started by: Anchor425 on Saturday 08 April 17 02:51 BST (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone know the background of William LLOYD (ca 1814-?1882) and his wife Honorah ("Norah") nee O'Brien (ca 1813-1861) who migrated to NSW in 1851 on the ship "Kate", with their five children ?
There are the original hand-written records of baptisms of the children at Capintimore - Andrew (30 Nov 1838), Edward (30 Oct 1841), Francis (22 May 1844), Margaret (23 Mar 1846) & Mary (11 Dec 1849). William's father may have been Francis or Thomas LLOYD, while Nora's parents may have been John or Robert O'BRIEN and Honorah or Margaret Murphy. According to the NSW record of the birth in 1856 of their daughter Ann, William & Norah were married in her place of origin, Kilguahin (sic), Co. Clare on 26 July 1838.
William's younger brothers, Robert and Richard also migrated to NSW.
William was a farm labourer so it may be unlikely that his father was the Francis LLOYD who was at various times Sheriff (1798), Alderman & Mayor of Limerick City.
Kevin
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Hi,
Capintimore is the town land in St Munchins.
This is where to look.
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0896
I saw this then went back to you post....same name FRANCIS
http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/tithe_applot/stmunchins_tab.htm
drill down the list to Capintimore.
Now look in this.......
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=lloyd&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=&countyname=LIMERICK&unionname=&parishname=ST+MUNCHIN&Submit.x=50&Submit.y=16
Looks like Francis was Williams father and William took over the farm.
Also see this
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:34ST-JY5
Hope this is a help.
Maggsie
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Townlands in St. Munchin's Civil Parish (there's a Cappateemore East and West)-
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/st-munchins/
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Hi Maggsie
Thanks for the help, however I think the tree you found on Family Search is not the Lloyd family who migrated to on 23 March 1846, according to the original hand-written record (link below; simply states Capintimore, not specifying east or west), and William, Honorah and Margaret died in NSW, not Ireland:
file:///D:/Documents/Ancestry/Lloyd,%20Margaret_bapt%2023%20Mar%201846.pdf
The William Lloyd, tenant of Geo. Llloyd's land in St Munchins Parish, Co Limerick, as per the Griffith's Valuation Record Information dated 1850, may be our William but could be another. The family migrated to NSW on "Kate" arriving in Oct 1851. The immigration record has the native place as being Co.Clare (consistent with baptisms in Capintimore), not Limerick, although I understand the counties are neighbours and the civil parish crosses the boundary.
The Francis Loyd (sic) as occupier of land in East Capintimore, Co Clare recorded in the Tithe Applotment Book of 1825 may be William's father, but I have yet to see documentary evidence of parentage, say from a baptismal record; I think William was born circa 1814 by deduction from the birth record of his daughter Ann ("Annie").
Your interest and efforts are much appreciated.
Kevin
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Hello again Maggsie
I have just re-read my post & see that the first paragraph does not read as intended. Please replace it with this:
"Thanks for the help, however I think the tree you found on Family Search is not the Lloyd family who migrated to NSW as their daughter Margaret was baptised on 23 March 1846, according to the original hand-written record (link below; simply states Capintimore, not specifying east or west), their years of birth are different and William, Honorah and Margaret died in NSW, not Ireland:
file:///D:/Documents/Ancestry/Lloyd,%20Margaret_bapt%2023%20Mar%201846.pdf"
Kevin
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ship Kate (2) Andrew 14, Edward 14, Francis 7, Margaret 5, Mary (0nly months), William 35, Honorah 32, cannot read place.
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au
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:) Hi Rathmore
That is my family. The family with five children arrived as assisted immigrants in Botany Bay, NSW on 8 Oct 1851.
I have a fair idea of developments in Australia but would like to know more about their background in Ireland.
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Kevin,
Norah O'Brien's place of origin is Kilquane, Co Clare.
Kilquane is a very small townland located near the village of Parteen Co Clare close to Limerick City.
You will find baptism evidence for all the 5 LLoyd children on the nli.ie RC register for Parteen and they confirm that your baptism dates are 100% correct.
It confirms the parents are Guielmus (Latin for William) Lloyd and Honorah (Nora) O'Brien and it gives the LLoyd home as Capintimore.
Unfortunately Parteen marriage records for 1838 are not online but they may physically exist?
I cannot find any information on Williams & Norah's parents.
Paddy
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;) Hi Paddy
Your info is very helpful as you have identified Nora's place of origin, Kilquane. The immigration record had incorrect spelling and it was not clear as to where she had come from, at least to me in Australia, with no local knowledge (of Co. Clare). It is also pleasing to see we are on the right track with the baptisms.
We believe his father was Francis, one item of evidence being this notice in The Sydney Morning Herald of 8 March 1875
DEATHS.
LLOYD.—February 25, at Brisbanefield, Morpeth, Francis, the seventh son of William and Honorah Lloyd, of Quirindi, and grandon of Francis Lloyd, county Clare, Ireland.
William is my second great grandfather.
Best wishes
Kevin
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Kevin,
Please check out the Co Clare library at www.clarelibrary.ie genealogy & family history.
Look at the list of freeholders 1821.
You will find Francis Lloyd City Limerick owning land in Cappantimore Co Clare registered Nov 2 1809.
Also George LLoyd owns land in Cappantimore and it may be the same land
Maybe George & Francis were brothers.
I am checking if there is any connection to Alderman Francis LLoyd Sheriff & Mayor of Limerick but like you I am doubtful if he is the father of William.
Paddy
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;) Paddy
Many thanks for putting me onto the excellent Clare Library website. The freeholder, Francis may well be William's father.
Kevin
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Kevin,
The parents of Honorah O'Brien= John & Honora are recorded on the "Kate" passenger list Oct 8 1851 as residing in Trough Co Clare. Trough is a small townland 2 miles north of Parteen Village in Co Clare.
John O'Brien plus Timothy O'Brien (John's Brother?) appear on Griffiths 1852 Limerick-Clare land survey living on number 2 farm in Trough, Co Clare.
I now think that Honorah was married in Kilquane but born in Trough.
I also note that William Lloyd's parents Francis & Margaret are recorded as dead on the list.
Kevin, You are very lucky to have traced the locations for both paternal & maternal Irish ancestors to 2 Co Clare townlands located within a 2 mile radius of Parteen Village.
Paddy
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;) Hi Paddy
I have passed on your information to the handful of "cousins" I have found online in recent years who are scattered around Australia and share an interest in our related families, in the main from Ireland & England, my own, FARRELL being from Co.Kildare. With the username "treatycity", I guess you are from Limerick? Your assistance is much appreciated and encouraged me to learn more about the Midwest of Ireland.
Best wishes
Kevin
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Hi I am new to this forum but saw your post with regard to Francis Lloyd in the Limerick/Co Clare area and wonder if he is possibly part of the Lloyd family I am looking for? I have yet to find definitive info on the Lloyd family that I believe is related to my husband's G Grandmother Ellen Johnston/e.
I have three reasons to believe the Lloyd family are connected to our Johnston/e's.
1. I have a copy (from my husband's uncle) of a page from Houses of Clare which includes Mount Catherine House in Clonlara, Co Clare which has a handwritten note against the list of people that owned the house, saying Grandmothers family. One of the owners listed in this book were Lloyds. This is supported by A book of notable families of Ireland which lists Johnstone's of Snow Hill where it lists Mary (Maria) m Francis Lloyd (by special licence, eldest son of George Lloyd of Mount Catherine, Co Limerick.
2. I have the probate record of Henry Albert Johnston
Ireland Calendar of Wills and Administration 1858 - 1920
Johnston Henry effects under £3,000.
26 May Letters of administration of the personal estate of Henry Johnston otherwise Henry Albert Johnston late of Paolo Miami County State of Kansas U.S. America. Gentleman a Bachelor deceased who died 24 December 1871 at same place were granted at the Principal Registry to Ellen Johnston of Mount Catherine House Clonlara County Clare Widow the mother of said deceased.
3. John Johnston (my husband's G Grandfather) and his son John Johnstone (Gentleman Farmer) both died in Clonlara, the son's announcement says he is from Mount Catherine and the death of John Certificate (1867) the father says Clonlara.
We know that John the son noted above spent some years in Australia having funded his own passage in a Cabin and became a Ballarat Ranger, Volunteer Rifles when it first began. A banquet & ceremonial sword was given to him on his departure back to Ireland where he died of TB not long after he arrived back.
So a couple of questions:-
Has anyone here with Lloyd connections done their DNA? My husband Patrick J Brown is on GedMatch (plus others) T117725 would love to know if our Lloyd families are connected.
Has anyone here come across any Lloyd's and/or Johnston/e's which could be connected? Or research that might be of use to me?