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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: Jeninnz on Tuesday 11 April 17 03:12 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am on a mission trying to find the birth of my 2 x great grandmother. I believe she was born in or near Bath about 1840-1842. I do not have a birth for her. She was Amelia Ann Bush. In 1851 there is an Amelia Bush in the Bath Union Workhouse listed as a pauper and then in 1861 Amelia Bush is listed as daughter to Sarah and Stephen Redburn and listed as born Wellow, Bath........now is she Sarah's daughter.....no idea ... and if so how did she get in and out of the Workhouse to be in Odiham, Hampshire in 1861? She married James Bohee in 1864 and from then on I can follow her. It's her early life I can't track. Any ideas as to how I can find this information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Do you have the marriage cert, if so what info does it contain - Amelia's father's name and age at marriage? (Hartley Witney 2C/209)
Added: Also, if you have later censuses, is this why you think she was born in Bath? (Can't find her after a quick look ???)
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There is also an Amelia Bush,(niece), b1841 in the 1851 census living with Frederick and Lydia Bush. Living in Frome, Somerset which is near Bath.
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Thank you both for your replies. As yet I do not have the marriage cert.....and I am waiting on her death cert to arrive. The 1851 and 1861 census show Bath as birthplace as does the 1871 one in her married name. James and Amelia came to New Zealand in 1873 so there will be no further UK census for them. Just one of my mysteries to solve. I visited her grave last weekend and even that didn't help except to give the names of her children and where they were also buried. On her headstone it has her as 90years old, on BDM site in NZ it has her as 84years old.......one of the reasons I sent for it. She also remarried after her first husband's death on the same day her daughter married.......now that took a bit of working out too. These ancestors like to keep us on our toes.
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Where did you find her on the 1861?
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Where did you find her on the 1861?
She is with Sarah and Stephen Redburn in Odiham as Amelia Bush and is recorded as daughter, born Wellow, Bath.
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It's Radburn and the birth year is 1848.
There is an Amelia Bush b1849 Keynsham which is near Bath. No records for Amelia Radburn that I can find so far.
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How did you get that result.....if she was 19yrs, she would have been born 1842 ish. I agree that Radburn is the surname on Ancestry. What am I missing here??
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How did you get that result.....if she was 19yrs, she would have been born 1842 ish. I agree that Radburn is the surname on Ancestry. What am I missing here??
She is 13 when living in Odiham. 1861
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I see the immigration record on familysearch for James and Amelia and their children leaving on 12 Nov 1873, has her age as 35, so born around 1838.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DTS3-25M?mode=g&i=6&cc=1609792
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What about this birth:
Amelia Bush - March quarter 1841 Bradford Volume 8 p262 (GRO says mothers name is Tucker)
Freebmd says this is Bradford on Avon, which is about five miles east of Bath.
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Then in the 1841 census at Piece 1166, Book 5, Folio 10, Page 12 for Bradford Wiltshire
George Bush 20 weaver
Amelia Bush 20
Elizabeth Bush 2
Amelia Bush 6mths
Then there is a marriage of George Bush and Amelia Tucker December quarter 1837 Bradford Volume 8 p431.
As an aside, I think it's kind of funny that you end up in Australia with possible Bush/Tucker connections!!!!
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What about this birth:
Amelia Bush - March quarter 1841 Bradford Volume 8 p262 (GRO says mothers name is Tucker)
Freebmd says this is Bradford on Avon, which is about five miles east of Bath.
Maybe, I saw that one earlier gives her parents as George and Amelia. The 1841 is the workhouse gives Amelia as 0.
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Wow.....you guys are great......I'm in New Zealand though, not Australia :).
As to that 1861 census.....to my eyes it's 19yrs as transcribed......certainly not a 3 for 13yrs. I will look more though.
Her age seems to be a bit of an unknown going by her headstone and then that shipping record.!! She died in June 1922 in NZ. Name at death was Mackersey.
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If we can link George Bush her possible father with Frederick Bush in the 1851 where she was living as a niece it would be good as they were both weavers.
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I think you need to wait to see what is on the death cert as to who her father is. Hopefully the informant is someone who knew, maybe one of the children. There is really only so much guessing can be done without some other clues.
I do think the marriage cert will be more accurate as it is information given by Amelia herself.
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I realized the NZ not Aus mistake after I posted, but as an Aussie, I thought it was funny.
Time to get a marriage certificate I think of the Bohee/Bush marriage to check on her father's name unless some-one can find a parish register entry.
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I'm hoping that my Great grandmother gave correct information on the death cert. If nothing fits from that I will order the marriage cert. In the meantime I will look for parish registers. The children were all baptised in Odiham so it would seem to me strange that there wasn't a church wedding.
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I realized the NZ not Aus mistake after I posted, but as an Aussie, I thought it was funny.
Time to get a marriage certificate I think of the Bohee/Bush marriage to check on her father's name unless some-one can find a parish register entry.
Love your humour......on another note I see you research the name Richardson......my Grandmother was a Richardson on my paternal line lol
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Have you seen this post http://www.GenesReunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/452065
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Have you seen this post http://www.GenesReunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/452065
Yes that was me. That is how I got to sort out part of the puzzle. Since then I have been in contact with the granddaughter of Henry Arthur Lee who married Violet Rand's half sister Mary Ann Moore Procter. Together we are working on it, me on the Lee/ Bohee/Bush lines and her on the Moore line which is real hair tearing out research as the Moore line goes to Jamaica and maybe Scotland, England or Ireland. At least my line stays in England lol
Should I ask in the Hampshire forum if anyone can find a marriage in a parish register for James Bohee and Amelia Ann Bush ??
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Have you seen this post http://www.GenesReunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/452065
Yes that was me. That is how I got to sort out part of the puzzle. Since then I have been in contact with the granddaughter of Henry Arthur Lee who married Violet Rand's half sister Mary Ann Moore Procter. Together we are working on it, me on the Lee/ Bohee/Bush lines and her on the Moore line which is real hair tearing out research as the Moore line goes to Jamaica and maybe Scotland, England or Ireland. At least my line stays in England lol
Should I ask in the Hampshire forum if anyone can find a marriage in a parish register for James Bohee and Amelia Ann Bush ??
That might be an idea, I can't find one on-line and someone might have access to the records.
Looked on PapersPast to see if there was any obituary for Amelia but couldn't find one. I did see that Amelia had a bit of trouble with her second husband, poor woman, I'm assuming you've seen the articles mentioning his desertion.
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Not sure what's is on papers past about Amelia. Amelia Ann Bush married James Bohee and then William Mackersey. Her daughter Ann Amelia Bohee married Henry Arthur Lee who deserted her. She then married many years and a couple of children later to William Moore. It gets confusing with names the same. Lol. There is a police missing person report for Annie's husband Henry Arthur Lee though.
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It appears William also deserted Amelia:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT19060921.2.12?query=william%20mackersey
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAG19070615.2.9?query=william%20mackersey
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WAG19070708.2.24?query=william%20mackersey
:)
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Wow......thank you for that. That explains why on her headstone only James Bohee and the children are mentioned and why she isn't buried with William......mind you I can't find him anyway.....not that I've done a lot of looking for him......I have been concentrating on Amelia.
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Try this,,,
Amelia Bush b1841 Bradford Union workhouse.
Amelia Bush
England and Wales Census, 1841
Name Amelia Bush
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Bradford, Wiltshire, England
Residence Note Woolley
Gender Female
Age 0
Age (Original) 0
Birth Year (Estimated) 1841
Birthplace Wiltshire
Registration District Bradford Union
Parish Bradford
County Wiltshire
Page Number 12
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 1166/10
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
George Bush M 20-24 Wiltshire
Amelia Bush F 20-24 Wiltshire
Elizabeth Bush F 2 Wiltshire
Amelia Bush F 0 Wiltshire
George Bush married Amelia Tucker 1837 Bradford Wiltshire
George's father William married Elizabeth Green 1814 Bradford, Wiltshire.
George's brother Frederic b1821 Bradford Wiltshire.
Name George Bush
Gender Male
Christening Date Oct 1817
Christening Place MORGANS HILL INDEPENDENT,BRADFORD ON AVON,WILTSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date 1817
Father's Name Wm. Bush
Mother's Name Eliz.
Name Frederic Bush
Gender Male
Christening Date 08 Apr 1821
Christening Place MORGANS HILL INDEPENDENT,BRADFORD ON AVON,WILTSHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Bush
Mother's Name
Amelia was living with Frederic in 1851.
Both Frederic and his father William were weavers
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That family sure do tie up together. However on the 1871 census for James and Amelia and children it shows her birthplace as Somerset, Bath.
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Bradford is about 5km from Bath and may have come under the same area back in the 1840's.
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Bradford is about 5km from Bath and may have come under the same area back in the 1840's.
Thanks for that.....my knowledge of English Counties isn't the best. I need to upskill :)
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Wow......thank you for that. That explains why on her headstone only James Bohee and the children are mentioned and why she isn't buried with William......mind you I can't find him anyway.....not that I've done a lot of looking for him......I have been concentrating on Amelia.
I might be wrong, but I can only see one William MacKersey in NZ at this time. He died in 1914 as a result of an accident:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TH19140917.2.53?query=william%20mackersey
However, it appears there was a case of bigamy involving William and possibly your Amelia:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19050316.2.29?query=william%20mackersey
(there are numerous other reports of this divorce on PapersPast too, although I can't see any that mention the first wife, presumably Amelia). It seems likely as it is about this time that Amelia asks for maintenance for the previous years of desertion.
There are 2 marriages for William on NZ bdm: Amelia Bohee 1882 and Elizabeth Bothwell 1895.
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Al I can say is wow....and thank you so much. I would never have found all this without this forum. I'll write it al up tomorrow.....bedtime for me. Once I find Amelia's parents I will be over the moon and it will all fit together. 😜
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Do let us know what the death certificate says. :)
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Do let us know what the death certificate says. :)
Sure will😄👍
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See other post about Amelia's birth and mother
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769297.
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Today I received the marriage cert of Amelia Bohee maiden name Bush, to William Mackersey ( her 2nd husband). She states that she was 34 in 1882 and her parents were Joseph Bush and Sarah Rebecca Crees. This led me to the GRO births and her birth is listed in 1840 with mothers maiden name Crees. She was registered as Milly!!. I have also found a marriage in 1839 for Joseph and Sarah.
Now that leads me to finding them on the 1851 and 1861 census. Is she the Amelia Bush in the Union Workhouse in Bath in 1851??? Is she the Amelia with Sarah and Stephen Redburn in 1861. If so did Joseph die before 1851 and Sarah couldn't take care of her at that time and then did Sarah remarry before 1861 and then get Amelia back???
The answers to my original quest of her parents has led to even more questions 🙄
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I can't see a marriage for Stephen RA(E)DBURN, however there are a couple (!) of entries for Sarah BUSH and Rebecca BUSH which do not have partners names on BDM at Bath in the right time frame.
However, Stephen RADBURN is in the 1881 census with his wife now called Rebecca (not Sarah) b Wellow, Bath at Hartley-Wintney.
RG11/1252/33
So a possibility for Sarah's 2nd marriage and makes sense to have Amelia there?
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There are lots of Joseph BUSH deaths between 1840 and 1860, however there is only 1 at Bath - in June 1844 aged 50 (Bath 11/43). Need more info to confirm whether this is Amelia's father.
Added: Also Joseph BUSH death June 1844 aged 60 at Clutton (11/86)
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Is this the family in 1841 at Wellow?
Joseph Bush 45 Somerset
Rebecca Bush 20 Somerset
George Bush 2 Somerset
Milly Bush 0 Somerset
HO107/961/19
Added: possible George death June 1847 aged 9 Bath 11/28
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Is this the family in 1841 at Wellow?
Joseph Bush 45 Somerset
Rebecca Bush 20 Somerset
George Bush 2 Somerset
Milly Bush 0 Somerset
HO107/961/19
This was found in the earlier thread I linked to ;)
See other post about Amelia's birth and mother
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769297.
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Oh, I remember reading that now! Silly me :-[
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There is so much posted already it is difficult (for me anyway) to remember what has gone before ;D
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There is so much posted already it is difficult (for me anyway) to remember what has gone before ;D
I know the feeling.....I think I should close one of the posts but which one.....the Somerset one or the
Other one???
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a lot of Bath transcripts are on line just type into Google - ukbmdbath & that will find them
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
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a lot of Bath transcripts are on line just type into Google - ukbmdbath & that will find them
All the very best
Phil
Weston-super-Mare
Thank you for that. Much appreciated.
Jen👍
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Hi Jen
Don't mention it, I only hope that you are able to find what your looking for on those pages for Bath
All the very best
Phil
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Well I now have her marriage certs to James Bohee and William Mackersey and her death Cert. Only leads to more questions.....
Her marriage certs give her name as Amelia Bush - full age at 1st marriage in 1864 and 34yrs at time of 2nd marriage in 1882
Death cert gives name of Amy Amelia......died 1922 and lists age as 84!!!
Parents match on all certs.....Joseph Bush and Sarah Rebecca, Maiden name Crease.
On her headstone which I have visited it looks like her age is 90yrs or at a pinch 80yrs
How old was she???? There is a birth for a Milly Bush with mmn Crees on the GRO for 1840...guess next step is getting this cert.
On all info I have such as census and death cert. Bath for is listed for place of birth.
Any other ideas??.
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There are some good variations on spelling of mmn ;D
BUSH, GEORGE mmn CREESE
1839 March Quarter
BATH Volume 11 Page 40
BUSH, MILLY mmn CREES
1840 Dec Quarter
BATH Volume 11 Page 46
BUSH, JAMES mmn CRESS
1843 Dec Quarter
BATH Volume 11 Page 46
They tie in with the 1841
Quote from: maddys52 on Thursday 20 April 17 07:32 BST (UK)
Is this the family in 1841 at Wellow?
Joseph Bush 45 Somerset
Rebecca Bush 20 Somerset
George Bush 2 Somerset
Milly Bush 0 Somerset
HO107/961/19
Also this marriage from Bathbmd in 1839
BUSH Joseph
CREES Sarah Rebecca
Wellow, St Julian
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Thank you Rosie.... I believe that to be on the right track. Hopefully a birth cert will prove it. I need to have all my info correct before I email the Cemetery to give them the correct information for their records....it's been a real mission.🙄
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I have lost track with what information you now have ;D
In case it is useful freereg has some Wellow records
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/5911a6a14325a65730260e0c
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Rosie and everyone this is what I have.
I now have Amelia's 2 marriage certs and death cert but to prove her age I guess I am going to have to get that Milly Bush birth cert to prove if this is the correct one or do you think I am on track.?
Marriage cert, death cert, headstone, all have different ages, then add in the census ones and I am scratching my head. Parents names are consistent.
Milly born 1840, Bath, Mmn Crees (spelt Crease) on 2nd marriage and death certs.
My gut instinct is that Milly is correct and that matches the 1841 census.
Her 1st marriage to James Bohee in 1864 in Oldham has full age and father Joseph Bush.
I have them coming to NZ with children in 1874
I have death for James Bohee in NZ
Her 2nd marriage to William Mackersey in 1882 in NZ has her at 34 and father Joseph Bush
Her death cert in 1922 says 84yr.....parents, Joseph and Sarah Rebecca née Crease
Her headstone says 90yr......Cemetery record which was apparently updated in 2007 as originals lost says 34yr
1841 census has 6 months of age. Name Milly Bush with brother George 2yrs and parents Joseph and Sarah, listed as daughter
1851 census has 11yr, name Amelia Bush in Bath workhouse, listed as pauper
1852 an Amelia Bush is given to a silk maker to work with another girl from Bath Union Workhouse (found in records for Bath Union Workhouse)
1861 census has 19yr, name Amelia Bush, with Stephen Redburn and Sarah Redburn,listed as daughter......I cant find marriage for Sarah to Stephen.
1864 Amelia marries James Bohee
1871 census has 30yr, Amelia Bohee, wife of James
Then they come to New Zealand and James dies and Amelia remarries to William Mackersey.
I am assuming that maybe Amelia's father, Joseph Bush dies and Sarah puts her into the Workhouse but takes her back some years later when she is with Stephen Redburn.......possible?!!!
This great Great Gran of mine sure gives me headaches!!!
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Great news......the Milly birth cert proves she is mine👍 Registered as Milly Bush, born 27 Nov 1840. Parents are Joseph Bush and Rebecca Sarah Bush maiden name Crees, (Crease). I can now finalise all her details so that I can inform the Otaki Cemetery records office of all dates.
Amelia (Milly) sure had a hard life.
Thank you all so much for your help, I couldn't have got this sorted without you.
Warm regards to you all.
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I am really pleased that you are now able to tie everything together :)
Rosie
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Indeed, great to see a good outcome ;D
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Just one more thing......I think I know what this says but need another set of eyes.
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Twenty Seventh of November 1840
1/2 past 1 A.M.
at Wellow
I wondered if she was a twin as it gives time of birth but I can't see any evidence