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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: FNEVIK on Thursday 13 April 17 12:27 BST (UK)
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I am having trouble tracing the first wedding details for Samuel Henry Fuller, b. 1 March, 1835 in Witham. He married for a second time in 1888 (24 Sep), in Islington, to Eliza Sally Harry. On the marriage certificate he was listed as Widower. I have lots of potential 'hits' coming up on Ancestry.co.uk but I can't possibly order lots of certificates to find the right one! I assume he married in Essex. But in Census searches I lose his trail too!! His marriage would have a certificate and I assume he married in his 20s (1855 onwards). If anyone can possibly help me make headway, I would really appreciate the help and advice.
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In 1871 there's a Samuel Fuller b Witham abt 1835 living in Chigwell. He and his wife Mary are visitors with William and elizabeth hurt.
Mary was born in Birmingham.
Piece: 1638 Folio: 67 Page Number:1
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What about
Marriages Jun 1860
Samuel Henry Fuller and Mary Taylor Bromyard 6a 963
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I ruled out the Samuel and Mary. It looks like this was Samuel 'Pearce' Fuller who married Mary from Birmingham. The second suggestion, I must admit, is on my shortlist. I just wish there was a way of 'checking' without putting in an order for an actual certificate. This is one of the most frustrating obstacles I have come up against. But I guess it's "welcome to the world of researching family trees". So far, I have guessed at some. But I've been VERY lucky and 'hit the target' guessing correctly. But my luck won't hold out for ever.
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Hi
I see Samuels father was Nehemiah Fuller, Farrier and vet? surgeon on the marriage certificate.
He appears to have died in 1850 (newspaper)and was married to Hannah Fuller.
Samuels occupation was Gentleman( I think, shortened)
Samuel appears to be a blacksmith in 1851.
There is the following in 1861 which seems to be the same Samuel and Mary that LizzieL found albeit a possible first name but hard to read.
23 Kings Square, St Luke, London
RG09/202 57/22
Jas? Fuller head mar 26 Commercial Traveller Woollen Cloth Witham, Essex.
Mary Fuller wife mar 24 Birmingham, Warwickshire.
I saw the Bromyard marriage and wondered if it could be them, lots of sheep round there to tie in with woollen trade.
But as you say it may be the wrong couple.
Cathy :)
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Samuel Pearce Fuller was about same age but born in Blockley Worcester not Witham, Essex. He married in Shoreditch district, banns also read in Allesley Worcester - Mary Jenkin's parish.
I still think Samuel in Chigwell is the right one
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I have had a good look at the 1861 Census return which was mentioned. Why it looks like Jas, I don't know. There is another 'Jas' just below. The date fits, the birthplace fits. If it is Mary, then there must a Death record between 1861 and 1888 for a Mary Fuller. Another good fit, is that it is Finsbury. On Samuel's second marriage cert. he lived at 79 Windsor Road and this is in Finsbury. He got married at St Marys Islington, just around the corner. The first name spelling for Samuel beats me! Victorian writing is so difficult to decipher sometimes.
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Same address as on marriage certificate.
1881 census
79 Windsor Road , Finsbury, Islington
RG11/277 26/45
Names hard to read
A? Fuller head mar 43 Commercial traveller Wool Trade Essex, Witham
Mary " wife mar 34 Warwickshire, Birmingham
1 servant
Cathy
Transcribed Aymet T Huller on FindMyPast
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Good find, so that narrows down the date of Mary's death to post 1881 census to 1888
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This one's age fits better with 1871 census
Mary Fuller age 46
Q2 1883
Islington
vol: 1b Page: 256
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Possible marriage found for Nehemiah
Nehemiah Fuller to Hannah Johnson 22/07/1833 both were widowed but this marriage was at St Dunstan's Stepney.
Also the 1851 census when Samuel is 16 and living with his mother the conditions column has a "m" in it, Hannah has "wid" inn the conditions column
Checked the churches in Witham from 1850 to 1872 no marriage for Samuel
Also checked backwards to 1848 no marriage
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I think what looks a bit like an m for Samuel is a badly written u (unmarried) There are some quite young children below who have same letter.
In 1841 when Nehemiah still alive, there is a George age 15 with them. Could be Nehemiah's son with first wife.
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Baptism at Witham, George s/o Nehemiah and Amelia Fuller bapt 15 Feb 1823
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16 Jul 1826 daughter Elizabeth baptised d/o Nehemiah and Elizabeth
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I am really grateful for all the help and advice, thank you. The reason I am one generation down from Nehemiah is because he is VERY difficult to pin down. I have all his 2nd marriage and death details. But his birth, no record seems to exist. His first wife (married 1813) seems to be Amelia. But there are two surnames recorded. I'm not 100% sure she was Amelia (Emilie?).
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Found the church record in Witham 15/10/1813 for Nehemiah Fuller to Amelia Turnihard both single at time of marriage. Witnessed by Samuel Ives and William Constable.
Found two children for them in the records Alfred 1817 Thomas 1819 both baptism dates.
Also found but not yet confirmed a marriage for Nehemiah to Hannah Waters three children found George 1823 Elizabeth 1826 and Samuel 1835
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Nehemiah may have been the son of Thomas Fuller and Sarah Trew who married 28/11/1784 in Witham he was a widower and she a spinster.
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5th March 1783, Salome wife of Thomas Fuller (blacksmith) was buried at Witham. Could be same Thomas who later married Sarah Trew. He has same occupation as Nehemiah.
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Online, the only birth year for Nehemiah Fuller is 1796. However, I have his death certificate from 1850 (21 April) clearly showing he was 56. So his birth would have been around early 1794. I can't find a baptism record for him to confirm this date though.
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Online, the only birth year for Nehemiah Fuller is 1796.
On the 1841 census ages were rounded down to nearest age ending with 0 or 5 for anyone over 15. So although he is recorded as 45, he could be anywhere between 45 and 49 on census day.
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Intersting LizzieL. Re: your reply on Sun 16 Apr (17:07). Online everyone has 'assumed a Solome married father of Thomas, John on 9 Feb 1767. You have the name Salome, wife of Thomas. If it was Thomas he would have been 19 and Solome 35 in 1767. But John could have married a Solome and Thomas, a Salome. This is very confusing. I posted last year about John marrying a Sarah Hagars (b. 1708) at Rayne on 22 Feb 1732. But no one could find that in any records? No one called Sarah Hagars online anywhere?
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Found on seax in church record for Rayne 22/07/1732 John Fuller to Sarah Haggers
Also 20/07/1732 Thomas Fuller married Mary ?ynor of Braintree hard to read first letter could be a G with the a inside it
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Found a marriage in Witham between Thomas Fuller bachelor and Salome Porter spinster 09/02/1767 witnessed by Sarah Cottis and Edward Roberts.
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5th March 1783, Salome wife of Thomas Fuller (blacksmith) was buried at Witham. Could be same Thomas who later married Sarah Trew. He has same occupation as Nehemiah.
Four baptisms for children of Thomas and Salome Fuller at Newland Street Independent, Witham
James 1 Feb 1773 (note in register: born at Chippen Hills Witham 10 Jan 1773)
Salome 24 April 1775 ( born 28 Nov 1774)
Thomas 11 Dec 1778 (born 29 Apr 1777)
John 11 Dec 1778 (born 22 Nov 1778)
bit tardy getting Thomas baptised.
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Found a marriage in Witham between Thomas Fuller bachelor and Salome Porter spinster 09/02/1767 witnessed by Sarah Cottis and Edward Roberts.
May be connected
A Salome Cottis was baptised at Witham independent on 9 aug 1774 d/o Matthew and Martha
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James Porter widower married Mary Cottis spinster on 22 April 1773, witnesses Thomas Fuller and William Roberts.
Another connection between Fuller, Cottis and Porter families
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Again, thank you for all your help. I am happy in myself that John Fuller married once, to Sarah Haggers. Finding John and Sarah's deaths are something no one online has found yet, but I'll have to visit the Records Office in Chelmsford to search for them. Thomas I have accepted was married twice. Salome died in 1783 and he re-married in 1784 to Sarah Trew. I hope I'm correct? I have found eight children with Sarah; Robert (1787-1869), George (1787? - 1861), Samuel (1792-1869), Nehemiah (1794-1850), Phoebe (1798-1839), Rosella (1807 - ?), Frances (1808-1880) and Henry (1809-1847). These I will need check because Thomas (b.1748) could have not still been fathering children in his 60s??
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Quite a gap between Phoebe and Rosella. Could Thomas have married a second Sarah later in life. He could father children in his sixties, but a woman would be unlikely to have a child after she was 50.
There is a marriage in Witham between Thomas Fuller widower and Sarah Wendon on 17 April 1808, witnesses Phoebe Clamp and William Constable.
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There is a will of a Thomas Fuller blacksmith of Witham dated 1830 which might be your Thomas. He mentions his dear wife Sarah. He does not name any children, but refers to" sons and daughters by his present wife or any former wife". Although not conclusive it might imply more than one former wife. His wife Sarah and son Samuel are executors.
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a note on the will said Thomas Fuller died in the parish of Witham on 16 May 1829. I can't find him in parish records for Witham. Maybe a non-conformist burial.
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There is a Sarah Wendon born 18 Dec and baptised 31 Dec 1769 in Witham d/o Thomas and Phoebe Wendon. I wonder if Phoebe was widowed and married a Mr Clack and was a witness at her daughter's wedding.
1841 census has a Samuel Fuller age 50 innkeeper (who would fit with Samuel son of Thomas), with a Sally age 70 and Martha age 55. Could be Samuel and wife Martha and Sarah / Sally stepmother. 1851 confirms this Samuel born Witham.
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I am now working on the theory that Thomas did marry for a third time in 1808. If I have the son Henry correct, the second Sarah would have been his mother (b. 1809). What I must have wrong is Sarah Trew's death. Online, various family trees have gone for 1851. This MUST be incorrect. But what does 'throw a spanner in the works' is Rosella's birth in 1807. If she was Thomas' daughter could she have been born out of wedlock? This was frowned upon in the early 20th century, this would have been a really bad thing in 1807?! Sarah (Trew) was 38 in 1798 when Phoebe was born so it looks ok up to then. Sarah must have died between 1798 and 1806? An accurate death date for Sarah Trew would definitely be the key. It's all like a giant jigsaw!
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Found in the seax records for Phoebe, the only Phoebe born in that year
Phoebe born 07/02/1798 baptised 18/03/1798 bastard daughter of Sarah Wendon
No father mentioned
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Found two more children both described that same as Phoebe
Frances baptised 23/03/1806
Sarah 31/10/1802
Mother Sarah Wendon
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I have had a good look at all my information. The certainties are that Thomas FULLER married Salome PORTER and had four children. Salome died in 1783. Marriage, children and death all confirmed in SEAX. SEAX also has a marriage of Thomas to Sarah TREW in 1784. The only children from this marriage are those noted on family trees in Ancestry.co.uk. I need to find out if a death of Sarah Fuller (Trew) is recorded. This will then allow me to look for a potential third marriage. This 'could' have been to Sarah Wendon? and some of Sarah's bastard children 'could' have adopted the Fuller surname? There is clearly a Thomas Fuller / Sarah Wendon marriage in 1808. My line of Fullers comes down from Nehemiah Fuller, b. 1794 (1850 death cert. shows age of 56). However. back in 2006 a relative was told the early 1790s Essex birth records are 'missing' (?) This may be why no one has ever found Nehemiah's birth recorded. I wonder if there are any children of Thomas FULLER and Sarah TREW recorded in SEAX??