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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Liz Atkin on Thursday 13 April 17 14:41 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace Alice Juliana Kirby who after her husband John Waterfield died in 1830 was sent with her 3 children to Crowland via the Poor Laws. Her children were Mary Jane aged 4, Charles aged 2 and John Frederick who was 7 months old. Charles was my great grandfather and I can trace him from the 1851 census to London where he was training to be a tailor. Prior to that I cannot trace the family. Any help would be appreciated. I have the marriage record at St Margaret's Parish Church, Leicester but nothing after that, can't even trace birth records for the parents. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
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Hi Liz, welcome to RootsChat! :)
The John WATERFIELD who died at Leicester in 1830 was aged 13
I see Alice married (and signed) as Julia KIRBY in 1825.
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All I know is that the last child, John Frederick was baptised in 1830 and the record states - Father: John Waterfield deceased. Baptism was at St Margaret's where Julia was married. On Find my past it gives you the record that they were sent to Crowland.
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Alice Juliana Kirby baptised Somerby, Leicestershire on 19th February 1804, parents Robert & Ann
Do you already have this?
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Robert Kirby married Ann Kirby 11th May 1801 Somerby, Leicestershire.
Banns on 9th April 1801 have him from Kettleby with Howell and her from Somerby.
Hope this helps, having no luck with the 1841 census,
Comberton
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You have worked wonders, thank you so much, I hadn't got that information at all. Bless you, I can now hopefully find out more about Julia. How would I get to see any records for the Crowland Poor House?
Once again, thank you.
Liz
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Siblings for Alice Julianna baptised Somerby
Rob(er)t bpt 23rd May 1802
W(illia)m bpt 22nd November 1807
Other possibles
Jane bpt 6th November 1814
John bpt 22nd August 1820
Big gap in dates so less likely. All but Robert give father’s occupation as millwright (no occ. On his)
Possibles for Ann Kirby and her siblings. (Interesting a Kirby marring a Kirby)
Alice bpt 6th June 1774
Julianna bpt 6th June 1774 (twins?)
Charles bpt 18th April 1777 (there is a burial 26th April 1777 probably him)
Ann bpt 29th September 1779
All in Somerby to parents W(illia)m & Alice
All from FindMyPast
Sorry I can’t help with Crowland
Comberton
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Charles was my great grandfather and I can trace him from the 1851 census to London where he was training to be a tailor.
1841 census - Charles Waterfield 15 b Northamptonshire and living there in 1841. Occ Tailors apprentice
HO107 Piece 817/1 Folio 6 Page 5
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How would I get to see any records for the Crowland Poor House?
The record will be the removal order, which is available from Lincolnshire Archives using form COPY 1 and quoting reference Crowland Parish 13/10/135
http://www.lincstothepast.com/buy-image/
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Well I am amazed at the kind generousity of those who have helped me. I have much to go on now. Comberton, the records you have found ties up as Julia's first born, Mary Jane turns up on the 1881 census of my great grandmother, Suzanna as Mary Broughton, Aunt from Somerby. Thank you for your hard work. Thank you to also to Carol W for census details.
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Happy to help. You may already have this.
Charles Waterfield baptism
17th December 1828, St Margarets, Leicester
Parents John Waterfield & Julia
Is your Charles the one married to Susanna Squires and in Leicester in 1861 as a tailor?
Comberton
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I'm intrigued to find a John WATERFIELD (19, b Leicester) as a convict in Westminster in 1851.
So many of the con's seem to be shoemakers.
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Comberton, yes I have everything for Charles, census, death etc. I have seen his grave too. I had his marriage cert as my granny kept it fortunately!
Liz
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Geoff-E - John Waterfield died about 1830 and I've seen that record and am sure that's not him as he was a Carpenter. A lot of my family were shoemakers, heel clickers etc but all from Leicester. Thanks anyway.
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Just sent you a PM regarding Mary Broughton
Comberton
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Geoff-E - John Waterfield died about 1830 ... he was a Carpenter ...
I was suggesting that the one in clink may have been the son, John Frederick (or perhaps you've found him elsewhere)
On the baptisms of Mary Jane and Charles, John (Snr) was a Millwright.
Coincidentally, a James WATERFIELD currently owns the Maud Foster mill at Boston. http://www.grocerdirectory.co.uk/companydetails.aspx?id=6743
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Geoff -E
Haven't found anything for John Frederick apart from his baptism. We haven't got a James in the family at all even now but thank you for that. I haven't actually seen the baptism record for Mary Jane or Charles. All I know about John is the fact it says deceased on the marriage record of Charles and Carpenter in the occp box. I'd love to have a copy of the baptisms if you could manage them please.
Liz
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Geoff-E
Sorry, read that wrong, I see what you mean about John Frederick, could be him!
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Sorry, posted in wrong county. Should have aimed at Leicestershire
Alan