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Does anyone know if there are any census returns for Nelson, New Zealand, my husbands 4th Great Uncle William Pennock, his wife Hannah and their children Hannah, John and William emigrated under the assisted passage scheme in 1841. William arrived in 1841 and Hannah and the children arrived in 1842. I would like to be able to see what happened to them after that.
Many thanks
Carol
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Hi Carol
Unfortunately there are no census returns available for New Zealand (that is to say, of the style of UK returns). All NZ census returns were disposed of after the Governments of the day had extracted necessary information.
However, that little blip in our history, does not preclude us from tracing people - we have numerous other records and resources to call upon. ;)
Firstly you might like to take a look at our PapersPast website (historical New Zealand newspapers) to see what you can find for your family ... then we can help you look further.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
~ Lu
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Hi Carol,
William PENNOCK travelled in very good company aboard the Whitby.
http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-LowJubi-t1-body1-d2.html
He was a miner, aged 28.
https://www.geni.com/projects/New-Zealand-Settler-Ships-Whitby-1841/12835
I'm struggling to find anything on Papers Past for him, either under PENNOCK or PINNOCK.
Do you have any information about either him or his family's lives following their emigration?
Spades
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Found this useful item on the Petone Settlers Database which provides an address.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jwy/
Spades
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I can't find a death on NZ BDM up to 1920 under PENNOCK or PINNOCK.
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/search/
I wonder if they might have moved on to Australia?
Aha! William and Hannah PENNOCK appear in the Wellington Pioneer Roll (Scholefield Index), and
this is held by Wellington Public Library.
I can get in to the library in the next couple of weeks and see what I can find for you.
Spades
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Hi Carol,
Another question for you, please.
Can you tell us which ship Hannah and her children travelled on?
Spades
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I wonder if John PENNOCK might have ended up in prison in 1867?
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24262517
Spades
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There is a reference to a John PENNOCK/PINNOCK in the Nelson Evening Mail of 11 September 1866, a victim of larceny.
I don't know why my earlier searches on Papers Past didn't find it, so I suggest you search Papers Past for the precise issue above.
Spades
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census returns for Nelson
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William arrived in 1841 and Hannah and the children arrived in 1842.
Hello...
The 1845 and 1849 census returns for the Nelson area have survived.
They can be viewed at either Archives NZ in Wellington or at Ancestors' Attic a.k.a the NZSG branch in Nelson.
Information given includes name, residence, occupation, religion, remarks.
Nelson census returns January 1845
1 item separated from file as SEP No. 430
Use copy MICRO 3632
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913265 (https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913265)
Nelson census returns January 1845 - Cover only SEP No. 430
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913264 (https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913264)
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[Nelson] census of 1849
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913267 (https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913267)
Returns for the year 1849 - Riwaka to Cloudy Bay
Use copy MICRO 6892
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913266 (https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=16913266)
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Ancestors' Attic
http://tinyurl.com/lq2wq7t (http://tinyurl.com/lq2wq7t)
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Disclaimer :) I'm only going from online sources. I've not physically seen or used the above records so can't guarantee the accuracy of anything I've written. I've not even been to Nelson although I hear it's quite nice.
Regards
Beg
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.... his wife Hannah and their children Hannah, John and William emigrated under the assisted passage scheme in 1841. William arrived in 1841 and Hannah and the children arrived in 1842. I would like to be able to see what happened to them after that.
... PENNOCK - Hannah - wife - 30 years and children - Hannah (7) / John (2) arrived on the vessel "LLOYDS" : The passenger list records that the child, William, "died on board". :(
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The Lloyds was one of four ships that brought out the wives and children of the first European settlers to Nelson. There were 67 deaths during the Lloyds passage to New Zealand.
The Prow
http://www.theprow.org.nz/yourstory/nelsons-early-settlement/#.WPF8k9KGO70
Spades
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.... my husbands 4th Great Uncle William Pennock, his wife Hannah .....
Hi Carol
Do you have the maiden surname of Hannah (PENNOCK), please ??
~ Lu
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Footprint in Australia? [1849].......
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=&exactPhrase=hannah+pennock&anyWords=¬Words=&requestHandler=&dateFrom=1841-01-01&dateTo=1920-12-31&sortby=
Minniehaha.
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Hi carol,
This entry might be of interest.
2507 William Pennock (& wife & son 2yrs & infant son 7 months & daughter 7yrs – recommended by Mr Brunell – ship ‘Tyne’)
http://www.nzpictures.co.nz/pandoraresearchANZ-NZC34-7-8.pdf
page 61
Spades
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Good find, Minniehaha!
Thebarton, the address given for William and Hannah in the article linked to in Minniehaha's post, is a suburb of Adelaide, and borders the CBD.
Can anyone find them on South Australia electoral rolls or passenger lists?
Spades
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Maybe or maybe not.........
Death of John's wife?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/91268518?searchTerm=william%20pennock&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1849-01-01|||dateTo=1930-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby
Marriage of John's daughter?
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/208557696?searchTerm=%22john%20pennock%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=john+pennock|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1849-01-01|||dateTo=1930-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby
[To find the rest of the article, go to the very top of the next column.]
Minniehaha.
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Hi Carol
Do you have access to family trees @ Ancestry.com ?
Have found the family in Australia (and what appears to be further children to William and wife) by tracing the marriage of their daughter Hannah (whom I presume was Hannah Ann PENNOCK born c. 1834, Essex ?).
Will give you further details shortly.
~ Lu
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Death of John's daughter? whose marriage is mentioned above [Reply #15].....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47615897?searchTerm=%22william%20clark%20stewart%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=william+clark+stewart|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1941-01-01|||dateTo=1960-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby
Minniehaha.
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Marriage:Your William & Hannah?
County Essex
Place (link for place information) Woodham Ferrers
Church name St Mary the Virgin
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 114
Marriage date 9 Nov 1832
Groom forename William
Groom surname PENNOCK
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom parish Rivenhall
Bride forename Hannah
Bride surname LINNET
Bride condition Spinster
Witness James HALL
Witness Ann LINNET
Register note Bride, groom and 2nd Witness sign X
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Minniehaha.
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.... my husbands 4th Great Uncle William Pennock, his wife Hannah .....
Hi Carol
Do you have the maiden surname of Hannah (PENNOCK), please ??
~ Lu
Hi Carol
I'm assuming the maiden name of Hannah, was "LINNET" ?
As previously, there are quite a number of "trees" for this PENNOCK family (with their deaths in Australia), at ancestry.com. Some are also in the name of PINNOCK.
There is a variety of information - some trees include records along with photos. One in particular offers an interesting storyline on William and Hannah.
The PENNOCKS are said to have moved from NZ to South Australia about 1845 (no shipping record found) ... more children were born there. Circa 1859, the family moved again, this time to Victoria, Australia.
Hannah PENNOCK's death shows as > born c. 1811 - died aged 69 in 1880 in Victoria, AUS.
Father: LINNET - Thomas / Mother: GLADDEN
William's death in 1882 (8 May) appears to be indexed as "PINNOCK". No parental info is given on the index listing. [Several trees show his parents as Matthew PENNOCK and Jane YOUNGS. ]
Hannah, William and also their son John (d. 1875), said to have died in Maryborough, Victoria, AUS.
~ Lu
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Many thanks Lucy2 thats really helpful. :)
Carol
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Hi Littlemak,
I took the opportunity today to request the 1845 Nelson Census and look for William PENNOCK.
Unfortunately I couldn't see them, but if you could send me a PM with your email address I'll send you a page of the census for your interest.
Spades
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Images sent.
Spades