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Hi
I am seeking the baptism of Mary FLINT believed to have been born/baptised in Beccles between 1804/7. I have no knowledge of her parents. I do know she married Jonathan GOLDSPINK in 1823.
Any help - greatly appreciated
Regards
Jim
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believed to have been born/baptised in Beccles
Has her birthplace/birthyear been confirmed via any census entry?
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From Family Search
Name Jonathan Goldspink
Spouse's Name Mary Flint
Event Date 11 Nov 1823
Event Place Fressingfield,Suffolk,England
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There are 31 different trees on Ancestry - none of which show her as b Beccles - one shows her as b Holton 1807. Beccles seems to have come from where she was living in 1841
One has her death before 1832 whilst others show her date of death as 4.12.1876 Ipswich having remarried to an Adam Beales. No death in 1876 under either surname
The same tree is very inaccurate. It shows Johnathon Goldspink b 1807 died 1876 suspect that should be 1832
It shows Mary married Adam Beales in 1833 Norfolk and he died 1856 - confirmed on freebmd
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There is a Mary Flint Baptised in Holton 19 Dec 1801, mother Sarah Flint. Holton is only 8 miles from Fressingfield
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1851 shows her b Holton 1807
HO107 Piece 1821 Folio 501 Page 30
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1871 shows Beccles 1805
1861 - 1809 Beccles
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Hi the Jane Beale b c 1839 was registered June qtr Depwade 1839 v 13 page 49 mmn Flint, on 1841 census also has a Louis Goldspink ( Male) aged 13 b Norfolk, his baptism was Lewis Goldspink 21st December 1827 Pulham St Mary Magdelene, Alias Pulham Market Illegitimate son of Mary?
Keyboard86
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I think somebody has their wires crossed. I think we have 2 Mary Beales here and there is some confusion about their birthplaces/deaths
1851 - Mary Beales b 1807 Holton is with husband Adam. Visitor is Maria Goldspink aged 26 so I am happy this is the right Mary
However - also in 1851 - Mary Beales widow b 1807 Beccles is with her sister
1861 - no Mary b Holton but Mary b 1809 Beccles has niece & nephew John & Mary Underwood visiting her
1871 - Mary b 1805 Beccles
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Carole
The tree that you say is wrong is mine
The reason that Lewis was born illegitimately, was that Jonathan was incarcerated in a prison hulk and then transported to Australia in 1926.
He went on to be pardoned, remarried and died in Yass NSW in 1876
Verified by a member of his Australian family
Regards Nigel
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I wasn't referring to Lewis - my comments were as follows and refer to Mary Goldspink nee Flint
One has her death before 1832 whilst others show her date of death as 4.12.1876 Ipswich having remarried to an Adam Beales. No death in 1876 under either surname
The same tree is very inaccurate. It shows Johnathon Goldspink b 1807 died 1876 suspect that should be 1832
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Carole reread what was written Johnathan was transported to AUSTRALIA
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From the trees
Mary Flint was born in 1807 in Halesworth, Suffolk. She married Jonathon Goldspink on 11 November 1823 in Fressingfield, Suffolk. They had two children during their marriage. She died as a young mother in 1832 at the age of 25.
Mary Flint was born in 1807 in Holton, Suffolk. She married Jonathan Goldspink and they had two children together. She then married adam beales and they had two children together. She died on 4 December 1876 at the age of 69.
Mary Flint married Jonathan Goldspink in Fressingfield, Suffolk, on 11 November 1823 when she was 16 years old.
When Jonathan Goldspink was born on 3 May 1807 in Norfolk, his father, John, was 42 and his mother, Jemima, was 39. He married Mary Flint and they had two children together. He then married Margaret Reid and they had 15 children together. He died on 12 April 1876 in Yass, New South Wales, at the age of 68.
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There are 31 trees for this couple on Ancestry - info taken from the first 3 or 4 shown. Impossible to read and compare every one. Which name is yours under?
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N&B tree & NDowe
Also spafrench's tree has the same information. Which was verified by one of the relatives of Johnathan in Australia
So, Please don't jump to conclusions that the tree is wrong
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The tree that you say is wrong is mine
Your tree is 20th and N Dowe 23rd on the list of 31 as presented on Ancestry. As stated - it was impossible to look at and compare every one so yours was not the tree I was referring to.
If you look at my earlier reply which contains extracts from the first couple of those trees the information is incorrect. Mary did not die at age 25 in 1832 as she married Adam Beales in 1833.
The Norman tree says Johnathan Goldspink was on the 1861 census aged 54 and living in Norfolk??
Residence
Johnathan GOLDSPINK lived in Norfolk in 1861.
1861 • Pulham St Mary the Virgin, Norfolk, England
It also says that Mary had 2 children by Johnathan in 1824 and 1827 but goes on to show him convicted in 1825 and arriving in Australia in 1826 aged 19. As he was presumably in custody from 1825 - how did he father a child born in 1827?
Are you able to find a death for Mary Beales in December 1876 as stated on several trees as I can’t? No mention of any further re-marriage after Adam died in 1856 and nothing on freebmd
So no conclusions were jumped to - the trees I looked at did contain inaccuracies.
There are 2 Mary Beales born 1807 or thereabouts. One b Beccles and the other b Holton. Mary Beales (Goldspink) cannot be found 1861/1871 so I suspect she died earlier than 1876
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The Mary Beales born Beccles had niece and nephew John and Mary Ann Underwood with her in 1861.
As already mentioned this Mary Beales born Beccles is living with her sister (Elizabeth Gay, widow) in 1851 together with above John and Mary Ann Underwood plus presumably a siblings of theirs named Elizabeth when 'your' Mary Beales b.Holton was with her husband Adam.
These are 2 different Mary Beales
John and Mary Ann Underwoods births on GRO site show their mothers maiden name was Pointer and found a marriage of a John Underwood to a Fanny Pointer 15/12/1835 Lakenham, Norfolk. Likewise, Elizabeth Pointer married Ric. Gay 1/10/1815 Norwich and Mary Pointer spinster married Robert Beales widr. 18/7/1836 Norwich.
No Flint baptisms between 1790 and 1815 in Beccles at all - however the 3 ladies above were indeed all born in Beccles:
Elizabeth 1793
Mary 1806
Fanny 1809 - all daughters of Robert and Elizabeth.
So, the last census your Mary Beales appears on in that name is in 1851 with husband Adam. Cannot see a likely remarriage so she could be the Mary Beales who died Mar.qtr.1860 Norwich aged 57.
As she states she was born in Holton in 1851 census I would think she probably was the Mary Flint bp.19/12/1801 Holton, dau. of Sarah. Since her husband was a few years younger than her she may well have knocked a few years of her age.
Annette
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Hi the Mary Beales who died March qtr 1860 Norwich, could be the burial of the Mary BALES address Catton, Norwich who was buried 22nd March 1860 aged 57 Pulham St Mary Magdalene, alias Pulham Market.
Keyboard86
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I totally agree there are 2 Mary Beales (married name) born Holton and Beccles.
Married to a Robert and Adam.
1841 in Beccles, Suffolk we have;
Robert Beales, 55, Surveyor Taxes
Mary Beales, 34
Maria Waters, 15, Servant
1841 in Pulham, Norfolk we have;
Adam Beales, 31, Silk Weaver
Mary Beales, 33, NOT born in County**
Jane Beales, 2
Louis Goldspink, 13
(already typed up by Keyboard)
1851 Jane is down as born c 1834, image is age 11 (1839)
As Keyboard pointed out GRO Index for Jane 1839 has Mothers mn as Flint.
FreeREG has 4 Childrenbaptised to ADAM/MARY;
06 May 1834, BEALES Adam William, buried 11 May 1834
21 May 1837, BEALES William Adam, buried 26 June 1837 age 6 weeks
30 Jun 1839, BEALES Jane
15 May 1842. BEALES James William
A SARAH Flint was Christened 21 Feb 1779, Fressingfield, Suffolk to ROBERT/MARY
Trish :)