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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Comberton on Sunday 16 April 17 17:13 BST (UK)
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I’m looking for Alice Stammers, born Oct qtr 1880 Camberwell to Alfred Stammers & Ann Amelia Lever. I have her until 1901 and then I lose her.
Jan qtr 1899 Alice has a daughter Caroline Alice Stammers in Grantham, Lincolnshire.
24th December 1900 Alice marries James Henry Willis, her address given as 11 Springfield (Grantham)
1901 Alice is a visitor at 11 Springfield with her daughter but no husband. I can’t find him in 1901 so don’t know where they lived after the marriage.
Head of household at No. 11 was Caroline Lever, Alice’s auntie. Alice was 6 months pregnant and gave birth at No. 11 in June to a son. Son’s father was informant .
1911 Husband and son at 12 Springfield (his family home) with his mother and other family members but no Alice. Husband listed as married 10 years with one child so Alice is likely still alive.
Alice’s daughter is in Barkingside Barnado’s Home in Ilford and leaves for Canada at the end of June with a group of Barnado girls to be domestics.
1911 can’t find Alice.
Electoral rolls for 1931/32 Grantham have husband’s family unit but no Alice.
1939 as 1931/32, he is listed as married (no second marriage) but I realise if she moved away he may not know if she died.
Can’t find a 1939 entry or death that I can say is her for sure.
I’ve run out of ideas, can anyone help?
Thanks
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Alice’s daughter is in Barkingside Barnado’s Home in Ilford and leaves for Canada at the end of June with a group of Barnado girls to be domestics.
This suggests that Alice has either died or abandoned her daughter. Is it possible to get records from the Barnardo's Home, that might give you information about her mother.
http://www.barnardos.org.uk/what_we_do/our_history/working_with_former_barnardos_children/family_history_service/family_history_service_our_service.htm
Not cheap though!
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A very long shot, but searching the 1911 just by initials brings up a 30-year-old married female, formerly housewife, as a patient in a lunatic asylum. No birthplace given, but the institution is within 15 miles of Camberwell.
Incidentally, do you have Alice's hospital admission from June 1891?
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Thanks Groom for replying. I have been in touch with Barnados in Canada and they offered a free search with an unspecified charge for the information. I know they have something because they used the information that Alice had married in 1900
and I didn’t tell them that so it must have come from their files. I haven’t contacted them in England yet. I’m going to post on another board for any info on Caroline in Canada, her marriage etc. Thanks again
Jomot Thanks for the info, I’m going to search for the asylum, and no I don’t know about the hospital admission, please tell me, thanks
Comberton
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Evelina Hospital, Southwark
Alice Stammers, Female, aged 10
Admitted: 5 June 1891
Residence: 35, Harris St., Camberwell, London
Admitting Doctor: Mr Makins
Admitted for: Cervical Caries
Duration of illness: 12 mos.
Treatment: Tonics. Cervical support
Outcome: Cured
Date of discharge: 17 Jul 1891
The record has an added (modern) note which describes Cervical Caries as "decay of bones in neck (19thC)", although when I googled it the results were predominantly to do with teeth :-\
I don't see Alice at the Harris Street address in the 1891 census but there is a George & Elizabeth Laver & family at No 9, so I wondered if this should have been Lever?
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Thank you so much Jomot, it is my Alice. The family must have moved to 35 soon after the census because Alice’s father died at that address in October.
I don’t have the 1891 entry for Alice and her family but I’ll keep looking.
Where did you find the hospital entry? It’s a bonus I was not expecting.
Not sure about the folks at No. 9. Thanks again
Comberton
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The admission record is on the Historic Hospital Admission Records Project. You have to register to see the full information, but there is no cost. Under the Historical Background tab you'll also find some great information about the Evelina Hospital.
http://hharp.org/
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Thank You
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Sent for some certificates. Alice born 13th October 1880 14 Basing Place, Peckham
as 1881 census. Nothing on 1939 register fits, probably died before 1939.
Death certificate for her auntie Caroline Lever gives informant as coroner after an inquest. She was still resident at 11 Springfield but died at another address.
Comberton
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Have come back to this recently and just had a breakthrough. A while ago I did find a 1939 entry that I felt was Alice, birth date just one year out. Seemed to be with three other unconnected people so could get no further.
St Pancras
1 Adler U
2 Gee Henry 25-3-1907
3 Gee Willis Alice 13-10-1881 a cleaner Gee Willis crossed out Willis written in
4 Difficult to figure this one out (will put this on a separate post)
Can now confirm it is the Alice I’m looking for and the Henry Gee is in fact her son
From the birth PDF
Henry Gee 25-3-1907 37 Devonshire Street, South Manchester UD
Father Henry
Mother Alice Stammers a charwoman
Father’s profession scene fixer
Informant H Gee father Alice Stammers mother
37 Devonshire Street, South Manchester
Also believe this other birth is hers although she doesn’t use the name Stammers
From the birth PDF
Alice Willis 17-11-1911 20 Nell Lane (Withington) South Manchester UD
Father James Willis
Mother Alice Willis formerly Gee
Father’s profession General labourer of Hulme UD
Registered by J Firth 20 Nell Lane (Withington) South Manchester Occupier
There is a Workhouse Birth Register entry and a Workhouse Cemetery Register for this child, she only lived for 18 days and the birth was registered by the Master of the Workhouse. I have ordered the death PDF but unlikely it will give more information beyond cause of death.
Now looking for Alice, Henry & Henry in 1911
There is a Alice Stammers in Ashton upon Mersey
Born about 1879 London
I know Henry Junior married Bertha Looker
18-12-1926 Manchester
Father Henry Gee (deceased) a scene remover
No idea what that occupation entails
Also have school records for Henry that suggest he was brought up by his parents
Think I need to move this to Lancashire board
Thanks for reading
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Forgot to add the 1944 Pancras death is not her
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Got the death PDF for 1911 and I was very wrong about it not providing more information
4-12-1911 Workhouse Infirmary (Withington) South Manchester UD
Alice Willis 17 days
Daughter of Henry Willis scene shifter of Hulme UD
Cause of death Immaturity Exhaustion
Informant was Clara Firth, Matron, Workhouse Infirmary, Withington
So Henry (Gee) claimed her as his but used the surname Willis as Alice senior had used it when she went into the workhouse. I think his occupation confirms it is the same man.
I Googled scene shifter and maybe he worked in a theatre as a stagehand.
Still can’t find either Henry in 1911
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Another child born and died between Henry 1907 & Alice 1911
Alice Gee birth
25th February 1910
15 Nuttall Street, South Manchester
Father Henry Gee a stage carpenter
Mother Alice Gee formerly Stammers
Alice Gee death
10th March 1911
2 Nuttall Street, South Manchester
Daughter of Henry Gee labourer at theatre
Cause of death Broncho Pneumonia Convulsions
Mother informant on both
Burial
15th March 1911
Southern Cemetery
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I now have the deaths of Alice Willis and her son Henry Gee.
Alice died 21st January 1962 at Rochford Hospital, Essex. She was listed as widow of James Henry Willis, a railway cleaner. The informant was H Gee, son and she was living at the same address as Henry in Basildon.
Henry died 14th December 1980 at St Andrews Hospital, Billericay, Essex. The informant was his son but I won't name him as he may be alive. Henry had remarried in 1974 and information from the marriage certificate confirmed that Alice's son Henry Gee and the Henry Gees from the 1974 marriage and the 1980 death were all the same person.