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Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help?
Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
Born
12 October 1810
Pondicherry, India
Died
24 December 1881
Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia
Have found mention of his name as:
Auguste Pierre de Guerry de Lauret
Passport issued to M. Auguste Pierre Clement de Guerry de Laurent by the Charge d'Affaires de France, 6 October 1835
Auguste de Laurent, 1811-1881, came to NSW in 1839
After his death there is mention of him as Marquis de Lauret, does anyone know of his parents?
According to his grand daughters obituary his father was the French Governor of Pondicherry, but which one? The British had captured it 1803-1816, in the period he as born there.
If you can help i thank you in advance.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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hi
May help http://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/de-lauret-auguste-pierre-18102
Muss
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Hi Muss,
This was one of the first searches i found, his grand daughters says more.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Just found this:
from Southern Argus (Goulburn, NSW), 29 December 1881
Last Saturday, at Wynella, another resident of long standing and high position in this district passed away in the person of A. G. [Auguste Pierre] De Lauret, Esq., J.P. Deceased was born in France, and that his family were people of distinction is shown by the fact of his having been attached to the Court of the last of the Bourbons, in the capacity, we understand, either of gentleman-at-arms or page. From the age of the deceased gentleman, at the time of his death, which was 71 years, and from what history tells us of the fate of the Bourbon dynasty, Mr De Lauret must have been about 20 years of age, when, with other followers of his royal master, he found it necessary to leave his country for more hospitable shores. In this way, like many others, he went to England, and there, as well as in Scotland, passed some years of his life. From his social status he became acquainted with gentlemen of position connected with the colonies, and by them was furnished with excellent letters of introduction to persons of high standing in New South Wales, in which colony he resolved to find a home. He arrived in Sydney about the year 1841, and soon after engaged in squatting pursuits, in connection with Sir Charles Nicholson and Mr. Lithgow, as managing partner. Tois brought Mr. De Lauret to Currandooloy, near Bungendore, where he remained for a few years; next removing to Kenmore, near Goulburn, at which place he resided for a long period. When the partnership with the above named gentlemen expired and the affairs wound up, he purchased Wynella, and having a well earned independence, he settled there with his family. Mr. De Lauret breathed his last at his residence on Saturday morning after a long illness, leaving a sorrowing widow and ten children, to whom he had been a fondly attached husband and father, Mr. De Lauret was a gentleman of great energy and intelligence, and for many years he had been naturalized and in the position of justice of the peace, As an old, upright, and intelligent magistrate, and respected resident, he will be long regretted by the Goulburn bench and by the people of the district generally. An honest and educated gentleman is a loss to any community, particularly a new one–insensibly he affects the manners and opinions of others, even if like the late Mr. De Lauret, he should be of retiring disposition and habits.
It only add to the confusion as he was not born in France.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help?
Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
Born
12 October 1810
Pondicherry, India
Died
24 December 1881
Goulburn, New South Wales, Australia
Have found mention of his name as:
Auguste Pierre de Guerry de Lauret
Passport issued to M. Auguste Pierre Clement de Guerry de Laurent by the Charge d'Affaires de France, 6 October 1835
Auguste de Laurent, 1811-1881, came to NSW in 1839
After his death there is mention of him as Marquis de Lauret, does anyone know of his parents?
According to his grand daughters obituary his father was the French Governor of Pondicherry, but which one? The British had captured it 1803-1816, in the period he as born there.
If you can help i thank you in advance.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
Death reg with mistranscribed surname
4805/1881
DE LAUREL Augustus P C
Father Antonie De G Mother Sophy B
At Goulburn
Transcriptions are a cheaper option to a certified certificate, are available in NSW
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history/family-history.aspx#transcription
Info on death certs is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.
Any of his chn's birth registrations should show his place of birth.
Cando
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Hi Cando,
Wonderful names at last something to search further.
Thank you
King Regards
Paul Williams
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Other concurrent thread with info from today :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769716.0
JM
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Not sure if you want details of the family later.
Death of Mr A G de Laurent (December 1881) with some unconfirmed life details.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/113839719
Obit, Mr A G de Laurent (24 December 1881)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102062256
Family Death Notices
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115456466
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13502210
Obit for his wife, 1901
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128569155
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98710015
Account of wife's funeral, 1901
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/98724256
Memorial for wife
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/100500950
There are many later mentions in TROVE re his family such as this obit for his daughter died 1947 with some family details.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/103332865
Judith
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Hi
Who is this person ? http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Gouvion-Saint-Cyr%2C+Laurent%2C+marquis+de
muss
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Hi Judith and Muss,
Thanks for links and as ever asks a few more questions.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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There is a probate packet available for Auguste Guerry de Lauret died 24 Dec 1881 https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/item/299692
I can photograph this for you next time I am there if you wish. It *should*
contain a death cert, a will and details of heirs.
Ros
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Hi Ros,
That would be be good if you could.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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No problem Paul :)
And I could possibly photograph his naturalisation application too - or do you already have this?
Ros
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His naturalisation papers, dated 11 November 1856, state that Auguste Pierre Clement de Guerry de LAURET has satisfied the conditions to become a British subject. He is a native of France, aged 44, arrived NSW per brig Letitia in 1839, is currently (1844) residing at Kenmore near Goulburn and wishes to become a land-owner.
(Aside - looking at the paper I note that naturalisation allows the applicant to have all the privileges of a natural-born British subject in NSW except that s/he may not be a member of the Executive or Legislative Council)
Auguste Pierre de LAURET, 23, was found not guilty of fraud in 1834
Date of Trial: 16 June 1834 at Clerkenwell Sessions, Middlesex, England
On on-line public tree gives his birthplace as Pondicherry India, 1811, and his parents as Antonie de GUERRY de LAURET and Sophy Barère but there is no source given for this, although they do correspond with the names on the NSW death index. Names are given for Sophy's parents, also. There is a photo of him on this tree.
Judith
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Hi Judith,
Interesting find on line tree whats the source?
And the English case is there any newspaper report?
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Paul, I looked at the 19th Century British Newspapers site and couldn't see a newspaper report about the trial.
The on-line tree is on Ancestry.
I find it slightly odd that there is no mention of him arriving in Sydney on the Letitia which seems to have come from "Feejee". I would have thought that someone of his background would have rated a mention in the newspapers of the time, however I couldn't see anything on TROVE.
Judith
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Hi Judith,
I need to work through all the leads and extra jigsaw parts i have been discovering.
Thanks once again.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Letters from and about Auguste Pierre de Lauret (1810–1881)
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"Feejee" is Fiji :) I have seen that spelling in a number of NSW BDM baptisms :)
JM
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Re Marquis de Lauret...
This suggests there was a “marquisate OF Lauret” so may be named after a location?
I can only find two very small villages/communes named Lauret in the south of France.
One was located in the Occitanie region, and the other located in the Nouvelle-Aquitaine region.
The Nobility usually had a family surname that was different to their title, e.g. ‘de Guerry de Lauret’ perhaps meaning something like ‘OF the Guerry family OF Lauret’?
Surnames for European ‘commoners’ when introduced were sometimes from locations or estates and not necessarily derived from occupations.
Somehow I am not convinced Auguste had a father who was the Governor of Pondicherry since there are no names in his time-frame that match with what appears to be well documented history of Pondicherry.
Essie
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Wow - great find, Paul!
Re the shipping - I just thought it a little quaint to see the old spelling of what we now call Fiji. ;)
Seems that there were two ships with the same name Letitia in Sydney at the end of September 1839. The one I quoted before was a schooner, from Fiji with a cargo of yams; the only passengers noted were Mr and Mrs Spinney and 3 children.
Arrived Sydney 27 September, 1839
Letitia, ship 375 tons, master Black, from London June 3 and Plymouth June 13, with merchandise. There is a list of 22 passengers: Mr.and Mrs. Meredith, Mrs. Saddler, Mr.and Mrs. Bellin, and child. Mr. Samuel Bawtrie, Mr.Thomas Rudd, Mr. John Davies, Mr. George Schultze, Mr. George Hodgkinson, Mr. Augustus Robinson, Mr. Robert Welch, surgeon, Miss Austin; Messrs. Mark, Walter, Peter and George Davidson, Mr. John Peppcrill, Mr. Henry Penson, Mr. William Walker, Mr. Augustus Delauret.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28653758
However - the actual images for the passenger list (Unassisted passengers, from NSW State Records Authority) list only 21 passengers and do not include Augustus. ???
This report states the names of the cabin passengers which is the same as the list above down to Robert Welch and then says "and eight in steerage" however the NSW Govt image only shows 4 in steerage - Miss Austin and three Donaldsons. Perhaps the others boarded later although the image is of entry documents signed on arrival into Port Jackson.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32165743
A bit odd to my way of thinking. Seems Auguste mustn't have had much money if he was in steerage, and yet he had those friends in high places according to the letters of introduction. And I see on the letter quoted by Paul that he was introduced to Lord Beresford by a Mr Hope.
Wouldn't it be good to read about the fraud trial? ;D
If you are interested in the cargo carried by the Letitia the manifest is here
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/32165710
Judith
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Hi Judith and Essie,
Many thanks once again, why come that way round the world is my first question, but getting out of Britain might have been on his mind.
Pondicherry governor, you are not the only one thinking this too, why is only mentioned in the grandchildren's obituaries? I think there is a lot of diplomatic stretching of the truth and wishful thinking. I think his letters of 1841 are interesting as the nobles mentioned were never in Australia, and i think the fraud trial needs investigating further what type of fraud? He certainly had friends in places as they say, but what is the link with the Lett's of Kilgibbon, Co Wexford, as it seems all come to Gouldburn over time...
A few thoughts just thinking through the data, and i just wish they would stick to one name and it seems to change with the wind. I have been been working on daughter Julia Felicitas, married in Australia, then dies in Sussex England 1936 but buried in Goulburn and called Werhner or Werner, why....
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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hi
table talk 3 Jul 1896 Marriage
Julie Marie Atchison widow of the late James Osbourne Atchison, to Herr Theodore Werner of Dublin and Amsterdam
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/145931006/17394480
Muss
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Hi Muss,
Awesome thanks
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Hi
Lot information on net about Werner -played the violin
Muss
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Hi
Death notice of Julia died 20 Dec 1936 Mayfield, Sussex, England
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17313088?searchTerm=werner%20sussex&searchLimits=l-decade=193|||l-category=Family+Notices
Muss
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Was Julie actually buried at Goulburn or is it just that there's a memorial there for her? Seems a long way to return a body, and almost certainly at least a 3-week voyage. However, she is definitely mentioned on a Goulburn Old Cemetery list. This list is not the official records of the cemetery though; it's been compiled by a volunteer and I suspect it contains names mentioned on memorials, not necessarily buried there.
From the Australian Cemeteries site (link below)
1183 WERNER Julie Felicitas RC8 23 December 1936, 80y. d. England.
Amazingly enough if you click on the link there are photos shown and the first one (with the angel) is of the de Lauret grave. The tall column has MIs for A M de LAURET, and a number of others including Julie Felicitas WERNER
http://www.australiancemeteries.com.au/nsw/goulburn/goulburnozold.htm
Free BMD has this death index entry
Dec qr, 1936 Julie F De L WERNER, 79
Registered Uckfield Vol 2b, p178
And the WERNER marriage
1896, Jul qr, Julie Marie ATCHISON, Theodore WERNER
Registered: Kensington, Vol 1a, p 367
Judith
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London Electoral Rolls show Julie Marie de WERNER at Flat 6, 36 Buckingham Gate (maybe Buckingham Gate Mansions) in 1919. Possible?
There is a 1902 entry for a Julie WERNER at 38 Bullingdon Mansions, Kensington and Chelsea but can't be sure it's her as there are only the forname and surname, not her other names! No mention of Theodore at these addresses.
Judith
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England & Wales, National Probate Calendar:
Julia Felicite De Lauret WERNER, widow, died 20 Dec 1936, of Oakcroft, Mayfield
Probate Date: 12 Nov 1937, granted to the solicitors of the Permanent Trustee Company of NSW. Estate worth 391 pounds.
Registry: London, England
There is also a Deceased File for her estate in NSW.
Re the grave - you can request a photo from this site.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=152818087&ref=acom
Judith
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Hi Judith and Muss,
Thanks for more information, I was just trying to find more information on Theodore Werner, there is information about him in papers Dublin, London, Edinburgh and Belfast 1891-1899, He was Professor of Violin and Viola at RIAM in Dublin 1899. And part of London Trio. But birth and death?
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Theodore was Dutch, from Musical Times 1 June 1888
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Auguste Pierre fraud information
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Hi
son of Julie http://ww1remembrance.blogspot.com.au/2010/07/2nd-lt-john-osborne-atchison-5th-bn.html
Muss
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Thanks Muss
Found this:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15611634#
The Sydney Morning Herald
Sat 4 Sep 1915 Page 12 Family Notices:
ATCHISON. - July 14, killed in action in France, Lieutenant John Osborne Atchison, Yorkshire Light Infantry, only son of the late James Atchison, of Sydney, and Madame Werner, 36 Buckingham Gate,London. R.I.P.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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From Wisden on the Great War: The Lives of Cricket's Fallen 1914-1918
from his school:
OLD ORATORIAN Atchison, 2nd Lt John Osborne (OS 1897-1903) was born in Australia. He was captain of the school and of the cricket and football elevens and kept up the games subsequently in Australia and Upper Burma. He joined the 5th Yorkshire Light Infantry and was killed near Ypres on July 14 1915, aged 30. He had taken cover in a dug-out during very heavy bombardment and was killed instantly. He was buried at Talana Farm Cemetery. A letter from his CO said: “It is quite impossible for me to tell you how invaluable he was to me as an officer …. he was absolutely fearless and indifferent as to his own safety …. a born soldier and leader of men”
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Separate Theodore Werner Thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=769950.0
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There's lots of information available for Auguste's children as adults and his grandchildren. I searched using google.co.uk and the only item about him was a mention of an obit on French Ancestry. I don't have a world-wide sub so am unable to access that.
With Paul's permission I have opened a thread on the London board in hopes that we might be able to access the fraud trial in 1834.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770024.msg6225953#msg6225953
Judith
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Hi Judith,
I was looking at genealogy in Reunion there are numerous Lauret's there and have a feeling this might be the link, but still searching for it.
There a lot of information on Theodore Werner at the University of Catalonia, it appears he was there late 1920's till his death in 1927 playing with Nadal Puig. Found a few pictures on a Spanish blog site which i have put a link up to. Just wondering if he met Dali as he was painted in 1925 in Stiges, not sure by whom.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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This is what I have found on the London Metropolitan Archives site which is the repository for Clerkenwell court papers.
AUGUSTE PIERE DE' LAURET, accused by GEORGE WILLIAM COURTNEY who lives with his father, THOMAS COURTNEY, CHINA MAN, of 34 OLD BOND STREET, of defrauding them out of a full dinner service, which he had ordered supposedly on behalf of a french Count.
REFERENCE CODE: MJ/SP/1834/06/010
FROM COLLECTION: - MIDDLESEX SESSIONS OF THE PEACE: COURT IN SESSION / - SESSIONS PAPERS / - PAPERS FOR 1834 / - JUNE
Unfortunately this document can only be viewed at the LMA.
Judith
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http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/anom/fr/
- some french records from Pondicherry are available online, I had a quick look and found something possibly interesting:
12 November 1811, baptism of Auguste du Laurens, it is hard to read but I think it says he is the natural (e.g. illegitimate) child of Louis du Laurens and the widow A?? du Rosaire, born 22 April? The baptismal sponsors were Baron Gilles Phillipe de F? de M?ville, and Dame Jeanne St Romaine de F? de M?ville
Didn't dig too much into the records yet - the site is a bit awkward to use and keeps complaining to me about java, I've attached the baptismal record here in two parts.
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Hi Jorose,
Many Thanks for this opens up different leads as to father and mother? now.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Louis Edmond Charles BALEINE du LAURENS
http://gw.geneanet.org/pierfit?lang=fr&p=louis+edmond+charles&n=baleine+du+laurens&oc=1
Laurens is a charming medieval village in Hérault in the Languedoc Roussillon region of France. It is one of the main wine-producing villages of the outstanding 'Faugères' region and is typical of the small villages in this area. It is a 'working' village with a large number of villagers being involved in wine production. Inhabitants of Laurens are called Laurentiens.
Baleine translates as Whale in English.
And strangely being a geologist: The Canadian Shield—also called the Laurentian Plateau, Laurentian Shield came to mind.
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http://greatwarreading.blogspot.com.au/2015_05_01_archive.html
Boomerang
This epic novel, written in 1931 and published in 1932, reads like a combination of the historical narrative of a Who Do You Think You Are? feature and the eccentricity of Georges Perec’s Life: A User's Manual. It was the winning novel in 1932 in the prestigious James Tait Black Memorial Prize awards, also won by Liam O'Flaherty, Kate O'Brien and Winifred Holtby, each of whom feature in this project. In this impressive novel the author builds on her own actual ancestry, in particular on the family of her aristocratic French maternal grandfather, Auguste Pierre Clement de Guerry de Lauret, who was born in the French colonial outpost of Pondicherry in 1810. Through this device, she explores English, French and Australian history in the 19th and early 20th centuries, culminating in Australia’s participation in the Great War. The boomerang of the title is a way of explaining how she had come full circle back to the ancestral home in Artois on the Western Front. It also conveys warfare and the narrative includes sections concerned with the Peninsular War and the Franco-Prussian War as well as the First World War.
The author, Helen de Guerry Simpson (born 1 December 1897), was the daughter of a Sydney solicitor and the novel includes some legal cases where the narrator, Clotilde de Boissy, describes family members pursuing careers in law. Indeed the author has used many aspects of her own family history as a framework for the plot of the novel. Whereas she maintains in the foreword that “the characters throughout are either imaginary or dead”, in a sense many of them were somewhat based on actual characters in her own family history. For example, her appreciation of Irish characters in Australian society was no doubt influenced by a knowledge of the relatives on the side of her maternal grandmother, Anna Maria Lett, from Co. Wexford. In addition, she gleaned a few actual events for use in the plot and explained that “of the various incidents related in the book, some of the more improbable are true”. A key autobiographical element of the novel is the presence of the narrator in Europe during the First World War: the author went to England in 1914 to study. Having been reading French at Oxford, in April 1918 she joined the Women's Royal Naval Service as an officer responsible for deciphering and decoding messages in foreign languages.
The narrator’s grandfather had in the outback of Australia requested that her father, the eldest son, would go to France to fight in the Franco-Prussian War. When he refused, he was ostracised and the patriarch himself went to Europe with the intention of protecting the honour of his fatherland. By the time he reached Bordeaux, though, “the war was over, humiliating terms of peace were being added up into a treaty... and France, like a woman in hysteria, was drumming her heels on the ground and shrieking that it was everyone else's fault”. He ended up dying in a duel with an officer of the German army of occupation that he had earlier assaulted, insisting that “the uniform he wears is a challenge and an insult to every Frenchman.” Just as her grandfather was useless to the war effort, so also in the First World War was Clotilde’s aristocratic English husband, who she had met on board a ship, he having been invalided home from India suffering from asthma. When determinedly he came up before an army board, doctors “could hear him whistling rooms away... they were not going to hand out combatant jobs to a fellow who... ought to be wearing a tube in his throat”. Ultimately, therefore, it fell to Clotilde to return to her ancestral homeland to contribute to the war effort as part of a Women's Interpreter Corps. There she encounters an Australian doctor, who she had met in England, and visits him on the battle line, witnessing his death in a futile minor campaign to secure a useless trench. He explains to her,
“There's an attack down for tomorrow morning. The blasted fools are going to make a set at Grease Trench.”
“What's that? Is it important?"
“Important, of course it isn't. It's a bit of a salient that spoils the look of their maps.”
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Sorry - we (I ::))seem to have muddied the waters somewhat now with information being on both threads.
Here's a transcript from
London Courier and Evening Gazette, 22 May 1834
COMMITTAL OF THE FRENCH SWINDLER
Auguste Pierre de Noni, alias Count d'Pron, alias the Chevalier de Lounet was committed by trial for obtaining, by false representations, a valuable dinner and tea service of china, of Mr Courtenay, 34 Old Bond St, under the circumstances already stated in our paper of Tuesday.
The same paragraph is also reported in
The Morning Post (London, England), Thursday, May 22, 1834
Seems to me that the Pondicherry birth findings put up by Jorose explain a lot!! He seems to have moved in somewhat exalted circles, but I'm not quite sure he was actually entitled to use all those aliases. However he certainly appears to have been on the straight and narrow once he arrived in Oz.
Judith
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Hi Judith,
I have found two daughters that became nuns, both born in 1862 but no mention of twins.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Hi Paul,
I have some light reading for you ;D Auguste and Julia's probate records.
(they both loved codacils ::) )
Give me an hour or so to upload them and I will send you a link.
Ros
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I have found two daughters that became nuns, both born in 1862 but no mention of twins.
These two had consecutive numbers so were likely twins.
Josephine L reg #7682 in 1862
Clotilde A reg #7683 in 1862
Essie
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Hi Ros and Essie,
Thanks and i thought they were. Still a little confused by Mother Joseph= Josephine as one of their names and the other is Clotilde= Mary Clare.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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Came across this:
Marie Sophie Nicholson [d. 1919),
second dau. of the Marquis de Guerry de Lauret of Nantes,
France, Pondicherry, East Indies
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/arthur-charles-fox-davies/armorial-families--a-directory-of-gentlemen-of-coat-armour-volume-1-dxo/page-128-armorial-families--a-directory-of-gentlemen-of-coat-armour-volume-1-dxo.shtml
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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http://www.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/anom/fr/
- some french records from Pondicherry are available online, I had a quick look and found something possibly interesting:
12 November 1811, baptism of Auguste du Laurens, it is hard to read but I think it says he is the natural (e.g. illegitimate) child of Louis du Laurens and the widow A?? du Rosaire, born 22 April? The baptismal sponsors were Baron Gilles Phillipe de F? de M?ville, and Dame Jeanne St Romaine de F? de M?ville
Didn't dig too much into the records yet - the site is a bit awkward to use and keeps complaining to me about java, I've attached the baptismal record here in two parts.
Baptême d'August DULAURENS
Baptême aujourd'hui 12 novembre 1811 je soussigné certifie avoir baptisé dans l'église paroissiale de Notre-Dame-des-Anges de Pondichéry un enfant naturel du sieur Louis DULAURENS et de la veuve Aurore DU ROSAIRE, né à Madras le 22 avril de cette année.
Le parrain a été le baron Gilles Philippe de PENMACH DE MAINVILLE
et la marraine dame Jeanne SAINT-ROMAIN DE PENMARCH DE MAINVILLE qui lui ont donné le nom d'Auguste. Le parrain et la marraine ont signé avec moi.
http://gw.geneanet.org/robillard1?lang=fr&p=charles+gilles+philippe&n=penmarc+h+de+mainville
http://gw.geneanet.org/amamaurice?lang=fr&p=pascal+gaspard&n=du+rosaire
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http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/pix2web.php?territoire=INDE&commune=PONDICHERY&annee=1825
Frame 26
Death record of his godmother in 1825 in Pondichéry
Frame 15
Death record of Louis Edmond BALEINE DU LAURENT. He passed away in the house of the widow MAINVILLE DE PENMARCH.
Conseiller à la cour royale de Pondichéry, single, a native of Tranguebar, aged 63 years and 3 months, son of Antoine BALEINE DULAURENS, ancien conseiller au conseil supérieur, and Marie BALEINE DULAURENS, née DESJARDINS.
Declaration made by a friend and his first cousin Jean Baptiste Louis Charles BALEINE DULAURENS, chef de bataillon et de l'état major en retraite, 65 years and 6 months old.
Frame 7 death record of Antoine François BALEINE DULAURENS
http://gw.geneanet.org/pierfit?lang=fr&p=antoine+francois&n=baleine+du+laurens&oc=2
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http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/ir?ir=FRANOM_00019&start=&q=+baleine+du+laurens&geogname=&date=&from=&to=
Baleine Du Laurens, Antoine François, père, greffier du Conseil supérieur puis conseiller au Conseil supérieur de Pondichéry, commandant au comptoir d'Yanaon, mort en 1775, second fils de Baleine Du Laurens (Jacques) 1768/1775
Baleine Du Laurens, Antoine François, fils aîné de Baleine Du Laurens (Antoine François), greffier en chef du Conseil supérieur de Pondichéry 1784/1785
Baleine Du Laurens, Antoine François, sous-lieutenant au bataillon de cipayes du régiment Royal-Roussillon, demande une place au régiment de l'île de France, ensuite capitaine au régiment servant dans l'Inde resté à l'île de France 1784/an XI
Baleine Du Laurens, Jacques, conseiller au Conseil supérieur de Pondichéry, mort en 1749 1734/1736
Baleine Du Laurens, Jacques Joseph, dit Du Laurens l'aîné, fils de Baleine Du Laurens (Jacques), trésorier, garde-magasin et conseiller au Conseil supérieur de Pondichéry 1773
Baleine Du Laurens, Louis Charles, second fils de Baleine Du Laurens (Antoine François), demande le brevet de sous-lieutenant de vaisseau 1787
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5838947r/f370.item.r=baleine%20
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Hi David,
Thanks for these updates.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
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DU ROSAIRE is the French version of a Portuguese family name, DO ROSARIO. It's likely a Luso-Indian family.
In 1794, I find three marriages DE ROSAIRE in Pondichéry
http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/pix2web.php?territoire=INDE&commune=PONDICHERY&annee=1794
Frame 4, Samuel ALLEN (English) and Françoise DE ROSAIRE
frame 13 Michel FORD (Irish) and Françoise DE ROSAIRE
and frame 16 Enrique BARTZ (German) and Brigitte Painon DE ROSAIRE
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Hi David,
Thanks for these updates.
Kind Regards
Paul Williams
Hello,
Do you think that your ancestor is the same as the son of Louis DULAURENS and Aurore ?
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http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/pix2web.php?territoire=INDE&commune=PONDICHERY&annee=1723
Frame 2
Baptism record of Madelaine Barbe DULAURENS
Frame 4 marriage record of Jacques DULAURENS, son of Jacques BALAINE DULAURENS and Madaleine M...Y (can't read the name for the sure, MAUNAY ? see http://gw.geneanet.org/samlap?lang=fr&p=magdeleine&n=monnay) and Marie GALLIOT DE LA TOUCHE, daughter of Louis GALLIOT DE LA TOUCHE, capitaine de port au dit Pondichéry, and Françoise LE BON.
He is from Parise, for Paris I guess
Someone with the same family name is already in Pondichéry in 1710
http://henri.maurel.pagesperso-orange.fr/grenetpondichery1.htm
03.06.1710 B de Jean Baptiste DE LA LANDE fils de monsieur COSSON DELALANDE et de Natalia LOBO de QUINTOAL
P Monsieur DULAURENS marchand français particulier Sponsor, godfather
M Mme Anne FEREIRA
Signé f. Esprit Cap.Miss.Apost /Dulaurens/ Grouet/Albert
According to http://gw.geneanet.org/wikifrat?lang=en&pz=honore+gabriel&nz=de+riqueti+de+mirabeau&ocz=0&p=jacques&n=baleine+du+laurens his father was a cook for the Duchess of Nemours
See http://en.geneanet.org/archives/registres/view/14/29
15/11/1694
Est comparu Jacques BALEN dit DULAURENS ... de cuisine de son altesse Madame Duchesse de Nemours demeurant à Paris
Anne PILLET jadis sa femme, auparavant veuve de Jean DE LA VIGNE, bourgeois de Paris
jadis = long ago
It gives me the feeling that this man is the grandfather, not the father of the child born in 1699 (assuming the father and grandfather had the same given name).