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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: JeanLillian on Thursday 20 April 17 14:14 BST (UK)

Title: Tongue
Post by: JeanLillian on Thursday 20 April 17 14:14 BST (UK)
Help needed please in finding parents of Mary TONGUE born 1810 Banff,
she married a James Harrison in 1832 in Wolverhampton.
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 20 April 17 19:53 BST (UK)
Have you checked the Old Parish Registers on Scotlands People?

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records

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Help needed please in finding parents of Mary TONGUE

You already have her mothers name from the 1851 entry and her mother is also on the 1841 with other children.

Checking for baptisms of those children will give you the fathers name.

Also - checking for marriages for the children on the 1841 entry will give the same info
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: JeanLillian on Friday 21 April 17 07:59 BST (UK)
Thanks
Will have a look at Scotlands People,
Have not been able to find any Baptisms so far
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 22 April 17 08:19 BST (UK)
JeanLillian, what is your evidence for her date and place of birth?

Tongue seems to be an exceptionally unusual surname, and there are no recorded baptisms of anyone of that name north of Glasgow before 1854. Almost all of them are in the south-west of Scotland, mainly in Penninghame and Minnigaff.

Carole, what 1851 and 1841 entries? I have failed to find a matching Mary Harrison so I can't look at this information.
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: JeanLillian on Saturday 22 April 17 09:04 BST (UK)
Hi
Found Father of Mary a John Tongue on Baptism record of Mary,s Brother William in 1815 Wolverhampton , 1841 Mary Harrison nee Tongue mother Mary Tongue born Banff widow living Wolverhampton,  .  so John Tongue died before the 1841 census , so no idea where he was born although his and Mary's first child Jane Tongue was born in Ireland in 1805 . she died in 1845 in Wolverhampton . So still hitting a brick wall with Mary & John  :(
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: [Ray] on Saturday 22 April 17 09:11 BST (UK)


Example?

Try   TONGE / Harrison 1846

Ray
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 22 April 17 12:15 BST (UK)
Found Father of Mary a John Tongue on Baptism record of Mary,s Brother William in 1815 Wolverhampton , 1841 Mary Harrison nee Tongue mother Mary Tongue born Banff widow living Wolverhampton,  .  so John Tongue died before the 1841 census , so no idea where he was born although his and Mary's first child Jane Tongue was born in Ireland in 1805 . she died in 1845 in Wolverhampton . So still hitting a brick wall with Mary & John  :(
I am confused.

Your original post said you were looking for Mary Tongue, born in Banff in 1810, married in 1832 in Wolverhampton. Now you seem to be suggesting that it is Mary Tongue's mother who was born in Banff.

Suggest that you post a full transcription of exactly what both the 1841 and 1851 censuses say.
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 22 April 17 12:27 BST (UK)
To help me and others!

1851 in Wolverhampton;
Mary Tongue, 70, Head, Widow, born Banff, Scotland
Mary Harrison, 40, Wife, Mar, Taylors Wife, born Banff
Sophia Harrison, 15
Julia Harrison, 13
James Harrison, 12
Thomas Harrison, 10
Josiah Harrison, 8
Edwin Harrison, 3mths

1841 Census
James Harrison, 30, Taylor
Mary Harrison, 30, born Scotland
Lanethe Harrison, 8
Sophia Harrison, 6
Llewellin Harrison, 4
James Harrison, 2
Thomas Harrison, 6mths


Marriage;
Name: James Harris
Marriage Date:   2 Jan 1832
Marriage Place:   Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Spouse:   Mary Tongue
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 22 April 17 12:50 BST (UK)
1841 in Wolverhampton for Mary Tongue;
Living next door to he Harrisons;
Mary Tongue, 55, born Scotland
Jane Tongue, 35, born Ireland
William Tongue, 20, Labourer, born in County

Williams 1815 Bapt on FreeREG has Father John as a Baker
Williams 1842 Wolverhampton Marriage has Father as J Tongue, Occp Baker
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: JeanLillian on Saturday 22 April 17 13:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Trish . 
Original Question of who Mary's parents were has been answered ie  John Tongue and Mary Unknown, so my Brick wall is Mary ?  born circa 1780 Banff  and her Husband John Tongue no idea of his birth place/date  or death presuming before 1837 Wolverhampton
Thanks to all .
jeanlillian
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 22 April 17 13:45 BST (UK)
There is this Burial;
JOHN Tongue, 24 Nov 1816, St Peters, Wolverhampton
Age 54
(birth c 1762)
(FreeREG)
Title: Re: Tongue
Post by: JeanLillian on Saturday 22 April 17 17:57 BST (UK)
Thank you Trish
much appreciated
Jeanlillian