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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: ancestorsnoop on Saturday 22 April 17 00:19 BST (UK)
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My ancestor's nephew James Greaves, Jr., of Birmingham, Warwickshire, England, had 9 children. His wife died when the youngest was a little over a year old and the oldest 18 years. James was an invalid from the affects of war, and became a patient in the workhouse infirmary.
The 3 oldest sons: Percy James, Cecil George, & Joseph Clarence were able to take care of themselves. The next 5: Violet Alicia Agnes, Daisy Louisa Jane, Charles Arthur Edward, Nellie Elizabeth Rose, & Lily Ethel were sent to Nova Scotia, Canada, in 1901. The youngest Elizabeth May was adopted by a family in England.
I am having a hard time tracing Nellie Elizabeth Rose Greaves, born 26 Nov 1894, in Aston or Birmingham, Warwickshire, England. She married David James Cota, 29 Oct 1918, in Frontenac, Ontario, Canada. When David James Cota died 14 Aug 1935, in Hastings, Ontario, Canada, his wife was listed as Ethel Cota. So what happened to Nellie? One tree says Nellie married an "unknown Spicer."
The 1949 Canada, Voters List for Hastings South, Ontario, #345 & #346 are: William Spicer, guard, 9 Dundas St. W. & Mrs. Nellie Spicer, 9 Dundas St. W. Another family tree has a William Francis Spicer (1882-1921) who also lived in Trenton, Hastings, Ontario, Canada, married after the 1921 census to a "Cote."
I correspond with a grandniece of the 5 children who went to Canada. She just learned about them being sent to Canada and would like to know what happened to them.
The youngest Elizabeth May married Robert Astle in Birmingham, England. After Robert died in 1952, she went to Canada, where it is believed she remained. She sailed from Liverpool, England, 25 Nov 1952, to Halifax, Canada, on the ship Ascania. I would love to find her also. She was born 17 October 1899, in Aston or Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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I think this might be the missing Nellie, but it list her as "Nellie Graves Spicer" and her husband as "William Franklin Spicer."
http://www.canadianheadstones.com/on/view.php?id=93660
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Outward passenger list for Violet Greaves 1901
There is a border crossing Canada to the USA - Violet Greaves born 1888 Birmingham England - arriving 10 September 1906 - Vanceboro, Maine un der the new name Violet Lynds Harrold/Violet Harold Lynds. Domestic - now resides Popolastic Street Medway Massachusetts. (certificate of lawful entry 198347 sent to Boston 24/8/1942.
Sandra
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Massachusetts, State and Federal Naturalization Records, 1798-1950 - Violet Greaves - Violet Harrold born 29 February 1888 Birmingham England - aged 54 - arrival Vanceboro, Maine 10 September 1906 - Petition Boston, Massachusetts 4 January 1943 - Spouse William. Present address Popolastic Street Medway Norfolk - laundry worker. Married husband William 8 April 1931 - Medway Massachusetts - William was born Orkney Scotland 2 February 1871 and entered US at Boston MA in 1890. William naturalized 15 September 1930.
My last place of foreign residence was Points West Bay Nova Scotia
Sandra
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1940 Census Popolatic Street Medway, Norfolk, Massachusetts.
William R Harrold 69 Born Scotland 1871.
Violet Harrold 52 Born England 1888. Alien.
Sidney Harrold 15 Born MA 1925.
Judith A Vere 2 Born MA 1938. Single. Boarder.
Sandra
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Violet L Harrold - 1888 - 1985
FIND A GRAVE
Burial: Oakland Cemetery Medway Norfolk County Massachusetts.
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=120248937
Husband - William Rendell Harrold 1871 - 1947
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=120248936
Sandra
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Daisy Louise Jane Greaves born 1892 married Harvey Wallace Faulkner 6 April 1921 Halifax Nova Scotia. Daisy was 29 years. Harvey was 32 years.
1911 census - 160 Liverpool Rd Halifax Nova Scotia - Daisy Greaves - ages 21 - born February 1890
listed below the Strachan family.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List - 1953 - 152 Manor Road East Toronto - Eglington District - Mrs Elizabeth Astle - Widow -
Canada Voters List 1968 - 165 Manor Road East Toronto - Elizabeth Astle - Unemployed.
Sandra
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The marriage for Nellie Greaves born 1895 Birmingham to David James Cota lists her father as Cecil G Greaves and mother Agnes E Champman Greaves. Cecil G Greaves was her brother.
1921 census Henry Street Trenton Town Hastings Ontario
David Cota 25
Nellie Cota 24 Born England.
Charles Cota 1 born Ontario.
Canada Voters Lists 1949 shows Nellie Spicer - 9 Dundas Street Hastings Ontario - also William Spicer (guard)
Sandra
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A great big Thank You Sandra!!! It is taking me awhile to look through it all. I had found some of these items (but not all). I wasn't quite sure on some of them, so I am so happy to see you came to the same conclusion.
I wonder where Violet was on the 1910 census in the USA? When she married Sidney Charles Lynds, 12 Jan 1918, in Somersville, Massachusetts, she was a "Violet Richie." I wonder why she came to the USA, whereas the rest of the 5 stayed in Canada?
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I think this might be the missing Nellie, but it list her as "Nellie Graves Spicer" and her husband as "William Franklin Spicer."
http://www.canadianheadstones.com/on/view.php?id=93660
Perhaps you could contact the Quinte West Library to see if there are obituaries for Nellie and her husband?
http://www.library.quintewest.ca/en/about-us/genealogy.asp
RK
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Here is someone looking for an obituary for Daisy Greaves and William Faulkner's son Douglas Roy Faulkner (d 1996 in Halifax). Obit here as well.
https://mailman.ednet.ns.ca/pipermail/nsroots/2007-March/003629.html
RK
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Thank you RunKitty for the obituary and possible obituary links!!! I will pass it on to my relative along with Sandra's great finds.
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1959 death in Sydney Nova Scotia for Charles Arthur E Greaves. Son Cecil George was informant. Mother given as Mary Chapman. There is a 1920 marriage for Charles A. Greaves to Wilhemina Malcolm with father given as James but mother is given as Elizabeth Patterson. 1891 birth year with place of birth as Birmingham.
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Thank you cosmac for the information on Charles A. E. Greaves!!! It seems to match & confirm the family information shared with me and in online trees. It gets confusing with all the different names given for the parents. So I appreciate everyone's help and insight. I forgot to mention the James Greaves's wife was Alice Chapman.
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Canada Voters List - 1953 - 152 Manor Road East Toronto - Eglington District - Mrs Elizabeth Astle - Widow -
Canada Voters List 1968 - 165 Manor Road East Toronto - Elizabeth Astle - Unemployed.
I was excited by this possibility, so I did a Google search for "Elizabeth Astle" in Toronto, and found an obituary for a "Astle, Elizabeth (Isabelle) Aniela (nee Kalichak)," who moved to Toronto in the late 1940s. Is she the "Mrs. Elizabeth Astle" listed on the voter list? If so, I wonder where Elizabeth May Greaves Astle lived?
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This could be the husband of Elizabeth (Isabelle) Aniela (nee Kalichak) listed above. :'(
FIND A GRAVE
Lt Sidney William Astle - 6 September 1943
Burial - Brookside Cemetery Winnipeg Greater Winnipeg Manitoba, Canada
Plot: MLTY-2044-0
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=111385802&ref=acom
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra for proving that the Mrs. Elizabeth Astle in Toronto is not the one I am seeking, so it is now back to looking for the right one. I didn't think to look for Elizabeth (Isabelle) Aniela (nee Kalichak)'s husband.
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No problem - back to the drawing board
Sandra