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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Washy on Saturday 22 April 17 02:38 BST (UK)
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hi Everyone
Really need help with this have tried every way I can to do this but have come up empty handed.
Trying to trace Elizabeth Gordon's family back to Scotland but can't get any siblings births or anything together with same parents, really need expert help.
This is her family after marring William Backhouse
1871 census St Cuthbert Within, Cumberland
Household Role Sex Age Occupation Birthplace
William Backhouse Head M 40 1831 Joiner Carlisle, Cumberland
Elizabeth Backhouse Wife F 40 1831 Wife Edingburgh, Scotland
Mary Backhouse Daughter F 18 1853 Cotton Weaver Carlisle, Cumberland
John R Backhouse Son M 16 1855 Joiner Carlisle, Cumberland
Isabella Backhouse Daughter F 14 1857 Cotton Winder New Castle On Lyne Down
Sarah Backhouse Daughter F 12 1859 Scholar Carlisle, Cumberland
Joey G Backhouse Daughter F 11 1860 Scholar Sunderland, Durham
William Backhouse Son M 9 1862 Scholar Sunderland
Joseph Backhouse Son M 4 1867 Scholar Jarrow On Lune
Charlottee Ann Backhouse Daughter F 2 1869 Newcastle On Lyne
Peter Backhouse Son M 0 1871 Carlisle, Cum
I beleive this may be her on the 1841 census
John Johnston M 40-44 Cumberland 1800 1797
Mary Johnston F 36-40 Scotland 1805 1801
John Johnston M 5 Cumberland 1836
Thomas Johnston M 0 Cumberland
Jesse Gordon F 17-21 Scotland
Charlotte Gordon F 12 1829 Scotland
Peter Gordon M 15-19 Scotland 1826 1822
Elizabeth Gordon F 9 1832 Scotland
sorry update also found this but can't put them together with births
Name Charlote Gordon
Gender Female
Christening Place EDINBURGH PARISH, EDINBURGH, MIDLOTHIAN, SCOTLAND
Birth Date 29 Dec 1829
Birthplace Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Father's Name William Gordon
Mother's Name Charlote Mcleod
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The couple of the Charlotte birth also seem to have been parents to a male, Eneas Gordon, in 1823:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01jz5/
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May or may not be same chap, but an 1885 Post Office Directory, under Church of Scotland entries in Cupar Presbytery, lists at Kettle, an Æneas Gordon.
Now found:
http://www.howekirk.co.uk/page11.html
so would rule out this chap, as he served until 1930.
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Elizabeth married on 2nd October 1849 at St Cuthbert's, Carlisle. The certificate should mention her father's name.
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Washy, have you seen Elizabeth's marriage certificate? If so, what does it say her father's name and occupation were?
If not, I suggest that this is your next step. William Backhouse and Elizabeth Gordon were married in Carlisle in the December quarter of 1849.
I agree that the 1841 census looks very promising, but I also note that she apparently had at least four daughters before naming one Charlotte. When there is information available to confirm her father's name, I would not assume that these are the correct parents.
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Just in case the 1841 is her siblings, and going sideways yields any clues, a Charlotte Gordon married a William Ellwood at Carlisle in 1849.
Also, a Jesse Gordon married a William Furness in St Cuthbert's, Carlisle on 30th October 1843.
At St. Cuthbert's Church, on the 30th ult., Mr. Wm. FURNESS, shoemaker, to Miss Jesse GORDON, both of Botchergate
as at http://www.cultrans.com/newspapers/cumberland-newspapers/carlisle-journal/493-carlisle-journal-bmd-notices-1843/6180-carlisle-journal-bmd-04-nov-1843
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In the 1891 (in Tynemouth area) census, Charlotte Ellwood gives her full name as Charlotte Mary and her birthplace as Falkirk. This is as transcribed and looks clearly same on original.
The 1881 (in Tynemouth area) has birthplace transcribed as Selkirk, but looks more likely Falkirk on original.
In 1891, Elizabeth Backhouse gives Edinboro' (so Edinburgh) as birthplace.
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The Elizabeth Gordon you have located in the 1841 census might be shown in the 1851 census as stepdaughter of John Johnston. She is recorded as Elizabeth Gordon (born Edinburgh) but is said to be married. . Peter Gordon is said to have been born in Aberdeen and Margaret (his wife?) in Sunderland. Mary Johnston, wife of John Johnston is said to have been born in Dumfries.
Have you found William Backhouse in the 1851 census?
William
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Hi Everyone Thank you so much for the help. Just digesting at the moment.
Don't have 1851 census but should be together as married 1849, and can't find William on the 1861 census.
As suggested to solve it may need Marriage cert but doing this for friend and was looking if any other way.
One thing is that Elizabeth's son John Robert Backhouse named one of his children William Elwood
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Just to say the Elizabeth I found in the 1851 census is recorded as Elizabeth Gordon (not Johnston). I have modified my previous post accordingly.
William
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Think I I found Peter Gordon's birth which would suggest that Mary Johnson was their mother.
Name Peter Gordon
Gender Male
Christening Date 21 Jul 1825
Christening Place SAINT NICHOLAS, ABERDEEN, ABERDEEN, SCOTLAND
Father's Name William Gordon
Mother's Name Mary
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Don't know why I smiled lol. That hasn't helped me at all. Can't find a birth for Elizabeth with parents William & Mary, so if I do get marriage cert & says father William doesn't get me anywhere.
Can't find marriage of Mary Gordon to John Johnson & can't find 1851 census ???
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The 1851 on FindMyPast has, transcribed as 'Gorden', in the Johnston household,
stepson, Peter Gorden, married, born Aberdeen
stepdaughter Margaret Gorden, married, born Sunderland, but if, as seems, this is Peter's wife, should probably read, stepdaughter in-law.
as well as stepdaughter Elizabeth Gorden
All as mentioned by Millmoor.
Certainly it is looking like Mary is mum to the Gordon siblings, but has subsequently, perhaps having been widowed, married John Johnston. The birth locations of the Gordon siblings suggest a lot of moving around the country. I wonder if their father was in the army at all.
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Gretna Green marriage registers show a marriage between John Johnston of the parish of St Cuthbert in Cumberland and Mary Gordon from the parish of Canongate in Edinburgh Scotland ... declared themselves single ... were married 26th day of July 1834.
William
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Hi Scotmum Sorry a bit confused is Elizabeth Gordon down as stepdaughter on 1851 census, if so looks like I have everything wrong as Elizabeth should be Elizabeth Backhouse on 1851 census
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Hi Millmoor That looks interesting as Elizabeth was married St Cuthbert in Cumberland
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The 1851 census has Elizabeth Gordon as married and stepdaughter of John Johnston. I have come across married daughters before who,when residing with parents, have been recorded with their maiden name rather than their married name.
I have looked at the Groindexes for the mother's maiden name for the two youngest children of John and Mary Johnston. The only surname which seems to fit is Harris(s).
There do seem to be some public trees on ancestry which could give some pointers.
William
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Hi William just heaved a big sigh of relief thank you so so much.