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Title: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: jemstone on Saturday 22 April 17 15:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am looking for the death of the above people  they used to live in wootton under edge Gloucester, the only one I have found is Thomas grimes 1955   but I am not sure.  can anyone either confirm or fine another date and whereabouts they were buried.  thank you
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 22 April 17 15:21 BST (UK)
Deaths Dec 1938   
Rose E Grimes
age  67   
I.Wight    2b   860

OR

Deaths Mar 1943   
Rose E Grimes
age    74   
Barnstaple  5b   532

  :-\   :-\
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 22 April 17 17:07 BST (UK)
Deaths Mar 1943   
Rose E Grimes
age    74   
Barnstaple  5b   532

That looks the right one. Full name Rose Ellen Grimes
Free search of the 39 Register has Rose E Grimes, born 1868, living in Barnstaple M.B., Devon
Putting Rose into "Other household member's" for Barnstaple brings up John W H Matthews, and May G Matthews, both born 1911

Birth, March qtr 1912, Dursley 6a 479
Grimes, May Gladys
mother Davis
May married Mr Matthews in Barnstaple in 1935

Not sure about the 1955 death for Thomas though.
In 1891 they were in Trevethin, Monmouth (Pontypool district). Could they have gone back to that area?
Death, March 1928, Pontypool 11a 194
Grimes, Thomas
age 58
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: rosie99 on Saturday 22 April 17 17:37 BST (UK)
I agree that the 1928 death for Thomas is a good possibility - I can't see him prior to WW2  ;)
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: jemstone on Saturday 22 April 17 19:37 BST (UK)
hi,

they were all together in 1901 living in wootton under edge as George grimes was 13 years old.  Thomas 32 rose ellen 33

do I have to wait to to 2021 to find out more.
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 22 April 17 21:41 BST (UK)
hi,

they were all together in 1901 living in wootton under edge as George grimes was 13 years old.  Thomas 32 rose ellen 33

do I have to wait to to 2021 to find out more.

Was the maiden name of Rose Ellen possibly Davis?  ;D ( oops see it was)

Herbert 1902
Elsie 1906
Florence 1908
Lily 1910
All registered Dursley
That 1928 death looks very possible for Thomas?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: Christine53 on Saturday 22 April 17 22:28 BST (UK)
Edward Grimes 36771 Gloucester Regiment d 4/11/1918 son of Thomas & Rose Grimes of
9 Bryn Terrace Pontnewynydd Pontypool Monmouthshire :

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/296227/GRIMES,%20EDWARD

places the family back in Wales in 1918.
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 22 April 17 22:35 BST (UK)
hi,

they were all together in 1901 living in wootton under edge as George grimes was 13 years old.  Thomas 32 rose ellen 33

do I have to wait to to 2021 to find out more.

Was the maiden name of Rose Ellen possibly Davis? ( oops see it was)

Herbert 1902
Elsie 1906
Florence 1908
Lily 1910
May Gladys 1912
All registered Dursley
That 1928 death looks very possible for Thomas?
Keyboard86

Note all of these show baptisms in Wooton under Edge on Ancestry, Father. Thomas Mother Rose Ellen or Helen or in the case of May G Grimes mother Rosa

Herbert could possibly be the death Dec 1966 Pontypool 8c 250 aged 64?
Keyboard86
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 23 April 17 00:06 BST (UK)
Hi again,  you make a point of George in 1901 Wootton under edge aged 13 was he born prior to the marriage of Thomas Grimes to Rose Ellen Davis in 1889:-

George Davis September qtr 1887 Dursley 6a 236 no mothers maiden name ( suggests illegitimate)
Keyboard86

EDIT in 1891 Thomas Grimes 22 b Kingswood occ Coal Miner
Rose Ellen 23
George 3 b Wootton under edge
Frederick 5 months b Wootton under edge
Residing at Dyke Row, Mill Road,  Trevethin, Pontypool
Census ref RG12/4362/54/4

PS why wait until the 1921? most of us purchase the most likely death certificate in the hope it is the correct one, if not try again, or do you only wish to locate your family history by census returns??
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 23 April 17 07:49 BST (UK)

I think that OP's original request of when did Thomas & Rose die may have been solved but only death certificates would confirm.

Deaths Mar 1943   
Rose E Grimes
age    74   
Barnstaple  5b   532
because that is the area she was living 1939

Death, March 1928, Pontypool 11a 194
Grimes, Thomas
age 58
because the family had moved back to the area

1939 register will confirm Roses marital state, make sure you see the original as transcripts are often misleading

All we need now are the burials  ::)
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 23 April 17 07:54 BST (UK)
hi,

they were all together in 1901 living in wootton under edge as George grimes was 13 years old.  Thomas 32 rose ellen 33

do I have to wait to to 2021 to find out more.

Have you looked for them in 1911 and 1939  :-\
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: jemstone on Tuesday 25 April 17 14:21 BST (UK)
note from 1901 census that George Grimes was 13, in 1911 he was in Portsmouth   training,    went to war for our country and died 9 9 1916.

I am not sure about the 1939 register as I am still learning about family history and what you can find out etc.  is it like the Kellys directories
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: jemstone on Tuesday 25 April 17 14:22 BST (UK)
many thanks for the information you have given me so far.
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 25 April 17 14:46 BST (UK)

I am not sure about the 1939 register as I am still learning about family history and what you can find out etc.  is it like the Kellys directories

1939 register was a register compiled for WW2 purposes of all civilians. It gives address, names, dates of birth & occupations of all residents. You cannot view details of anyone who is till living on it, they are blacked out.
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: jemstone on Tuesday 25 April 17 15:12 BST (UK)
where do I find the 1939 register for this  is it free to look over it
Title: Re: thomas grimes b 1869 kinswood married rose ellen davis 1889
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 25 April 17 15:17 BST (UK)
It is only available on FindMyPast and I am afraid we are not allowed to do lookups from it.  You can manipulate the free search though
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register