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Title: hogg family
Post by: philrmoon on Sunday 23 April 17 02:02 BST (UK)
Hi

I am researching the hogg family

Joseph high born 1842 stroud ??

Is shown in two families

One married a rosaline gardner about 1866

The other one stayed single but is shown living with a Alice pegler 1891 census
1901 and 1911 Joseph and Alice shown as husband and wife ( but no marriage occurred )


Trying to establish which parents go with the different Joseph ??


Peter and ann hogg

And

Samuel and ann hogg

Regards phil
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: ..claire.. on Sunday 23 April 17 02:12 BST (UK)
Hi

23 January 1866 at Sheepscombe

From the marriage register the Joseph Hogg that married Rosiline Gardner ~ his father was Samuel Hogg a butcher, it was witnessed by an Elizabeth Hogg too.

Josephs occupation was a Mason and he was 23 years old

claire
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 23 April 17 02:34 BST (UK)
Agree with Claire.

Occupations are important when trying to establish parentage unless of course they have the same occ.

Annie
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 23 April 17 02:37 BST (UK)
One married a rosaline gardner about 1866

The other one stayed single but is shown living with a Alice pegler 1891 census
1901 and 1911 Joseph and Alice shown as husband and wife ( but no marriage occurred )

Peter and ann hogg

And

Samuel and ann hogg

Have you found both Joseph's on all census' to differentiate & confirm there was no 2nd marriage or wife died even if he didn't remarry & only lived with 2nd partner?

Occupations again should help?

Annie
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: philrmoon on Sunday 23 April 17 02:40 BST (UK)
Hi thanks

So the other Joseph must have been peter and an Vick's child


Regards phil
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: philrmoon on Sunday 23 April 17 02:42 BST (UK)
Hi

Yes checked all the censuses only the one marriage

Regards Phil
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 23 April 17 02:44 BST (UK)
So the other Joseph must have been peter and an Vick's child

You would need to confirm when & where born, what census records he's on with father's occ. & later his own occ. with ages tallying.

A 2nd marriage isn't necessary, have you confirmed wife was still alive on all census' or found a death which fits?

Annie
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 23 April 17 03:11 BST (UK)
I am researching the hogg family

Joseph high born 1842 stroud ??

Can you tell us if he was transcribed as 'High' or 'Hogg' or was it a 'typo' as you may be looking at different families  ???

Annie
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 23 April 17 03:16 BST (UK)
So the other Joseph must have been peter and an Vick's child

It's always a help if there's extra details such as where/when etc. for others to compare such as whether it's census records or births/baptisms etc.

RCr's answer 100's of queries i.e. info. to relate to without having to 'google' is an enormous help for all.

Which Peter (no info. given) & who is Vick?...again no info. to related to, to help confirm anything  ::)

Annie
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 23 April 17 07:33 BST (UK)
JOSEPH Hogg Baptised 25 Sept 1842, St Marys, Painswick, Gloucestershire
Parents PETER/ANNE
Abode The Edge
Fathers Occp Labourer
(FreeREG)

GRO Index has 2 Josephs 1842 Mothers MN as VICK and SUMMERS   

Peter HOGG/Anne VICK married 05 Dec 1827, St Peter, Haresfield
(FreeREG)
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: philrmoon on Sunday 23 April 17 11:48 BST (UK)
It's Joseph hogg

Born 1842. Painswick Gloucestershire


Regards Phil

Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 23 April 17 11:50 BST (UK)
So you have what you wanted then Phil?
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 24 April 17 01:31 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thanks for all the help

There was another Joseph hogg born in the same area 1842 to Samuel and ann

Can anyone confirm his baptism please

Regards Phil
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: Capetown on Monday 24 April 17 15:44 BST (UK)

Forest of Dean Marriage Licences etc.

Painswick: 30 March 1833

Samuel HOGG (over 21) occupation Butcher
Ann GILL (Widow)

witnesses: George & Ann SUMMERS


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1861 Census, Painswick, Sheepscombe

HOGG

Samuel - 49 Butcher
Ann - 50
Samuel - 24
Eunice - 20
Joseph - 16
Elizabeth - 14
John -11
Ann - 8

Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 24 April 17 15:47 BST (UK)
Thats works as other 1842 Gro Birth Reg for Joseph Hogg has Mothers mn as SUMMERS.
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: Capetown on Monday 24 April 17 16:05 BST (UK)
Ancestry

Marriage at Standish (by Licence) 18 February 1828

John GILL
Ann SUMMER


witnesses: George GOBY, Joseph BASLES?


---Forest of Dean records

16 February 1828

John GILL - aged 26, bachelor, (occupation: Butcher) of Painswick

Ann SOMERS - over 21, Spinster, residence: Standish

by Licence:

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Ancestry:

Sheepscombe baptism

14 March 1830

Sarah Mary GILL - parents: John (farmer) & Ann  ****

John GILL of Shepscombe buried at Painswick 4 January 1832 aged 31

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1841 Census, Painswick

Samuel HOGG - 25 Butcher
Ann HOGG - 30
Mary HOGG - 6
Samuel HOGG - 4
William HOGG - 2
Unifs - 1


(a few GILL families very close by)

On the 1851 census for Painswick, can just see Unis HOGG, visitor aged 11 staying with the Clifford family..



? can't as yet find Samuel/Ann/Samuel (jnr)/Joseph on the 1851 census -


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***** 1851 Census, Standish

William SUMMERS Widow - 78 Tailor - born Glos Hardwick
Sarah GILL - Grandaughter - 21 Schoolmistress - born Sheepscombe
Mary HOGG - Grandaughter - 16 - Servant, born Standish


1841 Census, (Standish)

names as transcribed on Ancestry

Willm SIMMERS - 60 - Tailor
Mary SIMMERS - 65
Largh Gill SUMMERS - 10

next door

George SIMMERS - 20 - Tailor
Patience SIMMERS - 25
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 25 April 17 12:03 BST (UK)
Good finds Capetown :)
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 25 April 17 13:27 BST (UK)
Thanks Trish

Have a great day

Regards Phil
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: magicspice on Saturday 14 October 17 13:49 BST (UK)
Hi Phil, I am a descendant of Joseph's brother Henry. I have copies of Peter and Ann's death certs (if you don't already have them! appreciate your post was a while ago)

Regards
Heather
Title: Re: hogg family
Post by: philrmoon on Saturday 14 October 17 14:29 BST (UK)
Hi heather

Great to get your message

I will contact you again later

Regards Phil