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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: philrmoon on Sunday 23 April 17 02:02 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am researching the hogg family
Joseph high born 1842 stroud ??
Is shown in two families
One married a rosaline gardner about 1866
The other one stayed single but is shown living with a Alice pegler 1891 census
1901 and 1911 Joseph and Alice shown as husband and wife ( but no marriage occurred )
Trying to establish which parents go with the different Joseph ??
Peter and ann hogg
And
Samuel and ann hogg
Regards phil
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Hi
23 January 1866 at Sheepscombe
From the marriage register the Joseph Hogg that married Rosiline Gardner ~ his father was Samuel Hogg a butcher, it was witnessed by an Elizabeth Hogg too.
Josephs occupation was a Mason and he was 23 years old
claire
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Agree with Claire.
Occupations are important when trying to establish parentage unless of course they have the same occ.
Annie
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One married a rosaline gardner about 1866
The other one stayed single but is shown living with a Alice pegler 1891 census
1901 and 1911 Joseph and Alice shown as husband and wife ( but no marriage occurred )
Peter and ann hogg
And
Samuel and ann hogg
Have you found both Joseph's on all census' to differentiate & confirm there was no 2nd marriage or wife died even if he didn't remarry & only lived with 2nd partner?
Occupations again should help?
Annie
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Hi thanks
So the other Joseph must have been peter and an Vick's child
Regards phil
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Hi
Yes checked all the censuses only the one marriage
Regards Phil
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So the other Joseph must have been peter and an Vick's child
You would need to confirm when & where born, what census records he's on with father's occ. & later his own occ. with ages tallying.
A 2nd marriage isn't necessary, have you confirmed wife was still alive on all census' or found a death which fits?
Annie
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I am researching the hogg family
Joseph high born 1842 stroud ??
Can you tell us if he was transcribed as 'High' or 'Hogg' or was it a 'typo' as you may be looking at different families ???
Annie
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So the other Joseph must have been peter and an Vick's child
It's always a help if there's extra details such as where/when etc. for others to compare such as whether it's census records or births/baptisms etc.
RCr's answer 100's of queries i.e. info. to relate to without having to 'google' is an enormous help for all.
Which Peter (no info. given) & who is Vick?...again no info. to related to, to help confirm anything ::)
Annie
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JOSEPH Hogg Baptised 25 Sept 1842, St Marys, Painswick, Gloucestershire
Parents PETER/ANNE
Abode The Edge
Fathers Occp Labourer
(FreeREG)
GRO Index has 2 Josephs 1842 Mothers MN as VICK and SUMMERS
Peter HOGG/Anne VICK married 05 Dec 1827, St Peter, Haresfield
(FreeREG)
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It's Joseph hogg
Born 1842. Painswick Gloucestershire
Regards Phil
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So you have what you wanted then Phil?
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Hi,
Thanks for all the help
There was another Joseph hogg born in the same area 1842 to Samuel and ann
Can anyone confirm his baptism please
Regards Phil
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Forest of Dean Marriage Licences etc.
Painswick: 30 March 1833
Samuel HOGG (over 21) occupation Butcher
Ann GILL (Widow)
witnesses: George & Ann SUMMERS
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1861 Census, Painswick, Sheepscombe
HOGG
Samuel - 49 Butcher
Ann - 50
Samuel - 24
Eunice - 20
Joseph - 16
Elizabeth - 14
John -11
Ann - 8
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Thats works as other 1842 Gro Birth Reg for Joseph Hogg has Mothers mn as SUMMERS.
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Ancestry
Marriage at Standish (by Licence) 18 February 1828
John GILL
Ann SUMMER
witnesses: George GOBY, Joseph BASLES?
---Forest of Dean records
16 February 1828
John GILL - aged 26, bachelor, (occupation: Butcher) of Painswick
Ann SOMERS - over 21, Spinster, residence: Standish
by Licence:
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Ancestry:
Sheepscombe baptism
14 March 1830
Sarah Mary GILL - parents: John (farmer) & Ann ****
John GILL of Shepscombe buried at Painswick 4 January 1832 aged 31
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1841 Census, Painswick
Samuel HOGG - 25 Butcher
Ann HOGG - 30
Mary HOGG - 6
Samuel HOGG - 4
William HOGG - 2
Unifs - 1
(a few GILL families very close by)
On the 1851 census for Painswick, can just see Unis HOGG, visitor aged 11 staying with the Clifford family..
? can't as yet find Samuel/Ann/Samuel (jnr)/Joseph on the 1851 census -
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***** 1851 Census, Standish
William SUMMERS Widow - 78 Tailor - born Glos Hardwick
Sarah GILL - Grandaughter - 21 Schoolmistress - born Sheepscombe
Mary HOGG - Grandaughter - 16 - Servant, born Standish
1841 Census, (Standish)
names as transcribed on Ancestry
Willm SIMMERS - 60 - Tailor
Mary SIMMERS - 65
Largh Gill SUMMERS - 10
next door
George SIMMERS - 20 - Tailor
Patience SIMMERS - 25
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Good finds Capetown :)
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Thanks Trish
Have a great day
Regards Phil
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Hi Phil, I am a descendant of Joseph's brother Henry. I have copies of Peter and Ann's death certs (if you don't already have them! appreciate your post was a while ago)
Regards
Heather
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Hi heather
Great to get your message
I will contact you again later
Regards Phil