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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Bierman on Sunday 23 April 17 23:37 BST (UK)
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I believe that my ancestors Archibald Scott and Marion Taylor might have come from Aghadowey Parish. My 3rd great Grandmother Katherine was born about 1812. Does anyone have access to Church records for Agadowey or other areas in Coleraine, for the early 1800's to check for a marriage for Archibald Scott and Marion Taylor or a baptism for Katherine Scott about 1812?
Thank you for any help or suggestions!
Cindy
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There is an Archibald Scott and two Taylor families in the 1740 Protestant Householders report
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In the 1740 Protestant Householders report for Londonderry. There was an Archibald Scott in Coleraine Barony Agadowey Parish
5033 Scott Scott Arch Coleraine Aghadowey Not specified
There were two Taylors in the same record in the same place
5012 Taylor Taylor Thos Coleraine Aghadowey Not specified
5013 Taylor Taylor Jn Coleraine Aghadowey Not specified
Does anyone have any information on these families ?
Wyanga
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I believe that my ancestors Archibald Scott and Marion Taylor might have come from Aghadowey Parish. My 3rd great Grandmother Katherine was born about 1812. Does anyone have access to Church records for Agadowey or other areas in Coleraine, for the early 1800's to check for a marriage for Archibald Scott and Marion Taylor or a baptism for Katherine Scott about 1812?
Thank you for any help or suggestions!
Cindy
What makes you think the families might have come from Aghadowey Parish? What denomination might they have been?
The dates are quite early to find records of most churches in the area (of which there are many). If you are considering 'Aghadowey' and 'Coleraine' then you also need to look at Macosquin and Agivey parishes (and perhaps further afield)
If you do get a townland or more information I can search through my files but in the mean time you probably need to check and recheck the information you already have.
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Thank you for your replies.
I am searching for concrete information on my ancestors, the names Archibald Scott and Marion Taylor - Ireland came from Katherine's death certificate in Scotland. The names in the 1740 Protestant householder report give the indication that they might have been their family. A marriage for Archibald Scott and Marion Taylor some time before 1812, would give me a place name and possibly their parent's names. Likewise for a baptism for Katherine in 1812. I think that they would have been Presbyterian, but not sure. My grandmother who passed years ago, stated the Katherine Scott was born in Ireland and her husband John Lynn (Linn) was born in Scotland. However, I believe that John Lynn died in Ireland prior to 1851, so he could be buried in the same area as they were married. Also, my Lynn male cousin has taken a DNA test just for the Lynn family, which shows that he is related to other Lynn males from this area.
Thank you again for your time and response to my post.
Cindy
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Now we might have a good clue :)
Using DNA matches can you pinpoint names or locations for Lynns in Ireland?
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Using the DNA test, our Lynn family line is most closely related to another known Lynn family from Knockahollet, Loughguile Parish, which is just nine miles west of Drumreagh, Ballymoney Parish, where John Lynn and Katherine Scott's first child (that we know of) Peggy Jane was born in 1836. I will ask the other Lynn in the DNA test for his known Lynn family names in the area. There are several Archibald Scott listed in the area and some have been eliminated because their known wives names are not named Marion (Taylor). The next step (I'm thinking) is trying to figure out if the Scott and Taylor families in Aghadowey area can be proven to be related to my 3rd great grandmother Katherine Scott.
Wish I had more information. However, I do know that the Lynn family we were closely related to in the DNA project were weavers. We did see on our 2nd great grandfather's (Charles Lynn, son to John and Katherine Scott) military records that he listed his occupation as weaver. Perhaps this might help as well.
Thanks for the response. Your expertise and any help you can provide is much appreciated!
Cindy
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The latest details completely change suggestions based on original post.
Knockahollet is east of Ballymoney and approx. 9 miles east of Drumreagh Presbyterian Church. Some families from Agivey parish and eastern Aghadowey parish (Culcrow and Rhee for example) did attend Drumreagh but Scott and Taylor weren't really found there. There were, however, Scotts & Taylors on the Co. Antrim side of the Bann so that might be a more likely location.
Unfortunately Drumreagh baptisms don't start until 1860s.
'Marion' Taylor could have been Mary Ann thus even listed in records as Mary or Ann.
The Lynns, according to what has been passed down in my family, were Huguenot weavers who came from France to Ireland early on. Charles is a Christian name used in a Coleraine Lynn family but will check my files for any Lynns nearer Knockahollet.
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Alex Blair's history of Drumreagh notes that a Thomas Scott had the contract to draw the stones for building Drumreagh church in 1835, and there is another or the same ThomasScott in Drumreagh td in 1876 or 1877, with his wife unnamed. A baptism of 1864 was baby Wiliam Scott, son of Thomas and Eliza Scot of Drumreagh. Alexander Scot and daughter were in Bendooragh; William Taylor in Glengad
My ancestral Taylors were from Finvoy, several miles further south from Drumreagh
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Hi Linde,
It appears to me that there must be a family connection for Catherine/Katherine to be in the Drumreagh area for the birth of her first known child in 1836. Either a Scott/Taylor connection or one for her husband John Linn/Lynn.
From the Griffiths valuation Drumreagh is only a small townland of 265 acres with 38 different people present.
These are the Taylors named in Rev Rand's 1817 census of the 1st Prebyterian Church Ballymoney:
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 4 John Taylor Head of Family M
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 4 Martha Taylor Wife F
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 4 Matilda Taylor Daughter F
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 4 Mary Taylor Daughter F
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 5 Widow Taylor Head of Family F
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 5 Isaac Taylor Son M
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 5 Jacob Taylor Son M
Polintamney [Polandtamney] 5 Sarah Taylor Daughter F
Claughey [Claghy] 5 Jean Taylor [?] F
Inshinagh [Insinagh] 16 Samuel Taylor Head of Family M
Inshinagh [Insinagh] 16 Ann Taylor Daughter F
Inshinagh [Insinagh] 16 Robert Taylor Son M
Inshinagh [Insinagh] 16 Bess Taylor Daughter-in-law F
Inshinagh [Insinagh] 16 John Taylor Grandson M
Inshinagh [Insinagh] 16 Rachel Taylor Granddaughter F
Inshinagh [Insinagh] 16 Samuel Taylor Grandson M
Drumreagh 19 Widow Taylor Head of Family F
Drumreagh 19 James Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 James Taylor Head of Family M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 Isabella Taylor Wife F
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 John Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 Mary Taylor Daughter F
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 Samuel Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 William Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 James Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 Moore Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 Jean Taylor Daughter F
Carneatley [Carnatly] 1 Joseph Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 2 Alexander Taylor Head of Family M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 2 Ann Taylor Wife F
Carneatley [Carnatly] 2 Jean Taylor Daughter F
Carneatley [Carnatly] 2 Alexander Taylor Son M
Carneatley [Carnatly] 2 John Taylor Son M
Ballymoney Town 108 Samuel Taylor Head of Family M
Ballymoney Town 108 Esther Taylor Wife F
Ballymoney Town 108 Margaret Taylor Daughter F
Ballymoney Town 108 William Taylor Son M
Ballymoney Town 108 Jean Taylor Daughter F
Ballymoney Town 108 Mary Ann Taylor Daughter F
Ballymoney Town 108 John Taylor Son M
Ballymoney Town 108 James Taylor Son M
Ballymoney Town 108 Samuel Taylor Son M
I see a Widow Taylor with a son James in Drumreagh, are any of the others located close to Drumreagh ? None of these had a daughter Marion who should have been about 5 in 1817.
Wyanga
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My mistake. It would have been Catherine/Katherine Scott who would have been about 5 in 1817.
Marion was her mother.
Wyanga
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The Lynn family from Knockahollet that my Lynn male cousin is found to be most closely related to through DNA can be found at http://ru198lynns.house-of-lynn.com/James%20Lynn.html (http://ru198lynns.house-of-lynn.com/James%20Lynn.html)
While there are three generations, the first and second generations are the ones that might help narrow the search to find Archibald Scott, Marion Taylor and their daughter Katherine Scott Lynn.
Thanks,
Cindy
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Another, important reason to believe Bierman's Scott, Taylor, and Lynn ancestors might have come from Aghadowey is that the earliest known Lynn ancestor of Bierman's Lynn DNA match was actually born in County Londonderry in 1780 and moved to Knockahollet later. Aghadowey Parish, Ballymoney Parish (where Drumreagh is), and Loughguile Parish (where Knockahollet is) lie in a nearly straight line from west to east. Aghadowey is on the eastern border of County Londonderry, Ballymoney is on the western border of County Antrim, and the two parishes are adjacent to one another with Loughguile on the other side of Ballymoney. Also, the 1833 tithe applotments for Aghadowey Parish include: John Lynn Sr., John Lynn Jr., and Samuel Lynn in Gortin; Andrew Lynn in Knockaduff; and William Lynn in Mullinabrone. I wonder if there were any Scotts in any of those places.
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... Also, the 1833 tithe applotments for Aghadowey Parish include: John Lynn Sr., John Lynn Jr., and Samuel Lynn in Gortin; Andrew Lynn in Knockaduff; and William Lynn in Mullinabrone. I wonder if there were any Scotts in any of those places.
The Lynns from Mullinabrone & Knockaduff were originally from Gortin. Unfortunately church records in the area don't go back far enough. I can't recall finding any Scotts in these places.
Andrew of Knockaduff (born c1778), William of Mullinabrone (born c1780), Samuel of Gortin, possibly a David of Gortin & John of Gortin were brothers.
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Thanks Aghadowey. Do you know anything about the marriage or children of Andrew Lynn of Knockaduff? The John Lynn that Bierman and I are looking for named his second son Andrew, which I know could mean Andrew was the name of either John's grandfather or his wife's father, but I've seen lots of families that didn't follow any particular naming custom.
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Don't know father's name (wasn't Andrew, possibly John or James) but mother might have been Martha- both parents died when children were young.
Going from old set of notes:
Andrew had: Lily (1811), Martha (1813), James (1815), Andrew (1819), Archibald (1822), John (1825), Margaret (c1827).
William had: Catherine (c1829), Nancy, Martha Jane (1835), Andrew (c1827), Ellen, Hannah (c1835)- not in order and could be other children.
Samuel had: Martha Jane, John- could be other children.
David had: Elizabeth- could be other children.
John had: Robert, Jane, Margaret, Ann- could be other children.
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I've been looking over my file on these Taylors and connections. In 1844 in Finvoy, Rose Taylor of Maddykeel married James Hart. Her father was Jacob Taylor. I see a Jacob in Wyanga's list; but he was in Polintamney in 1817, still at home with his mother, so the dates are possibly a bit tight for him to be Rose's father. Possible??, and the townland variation is also not out of the question. Anyone related to these Taylors?
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Just realized that Archibald Scott is listed as a linen weaver on his daughter Catherine Scott Lynn Wright's death certificate in Scotland 1866. From some of the earlier posts, it sounds like some of the Lynn ancestors were weavers from Paris.
Post by: aghadowey
The Lynns, according to what has been passed down in my family, were Huguenot weavers
who came from France to Ireland early on.
Perhaps this is how John Lynn and Catherine Scott met. Through their families being weavers. Any thoughts?
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Weaving was a home industry and Aghadowey and vicinity was full of weavers in the early 1800s so unfortunately not really a clue. The Lynns, and other families of Huguenot descent, would have been settled in Aghadowey quite a bit before this period.
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Having spent 35+ years studying the Lynns of Ulster and Scotland, I've found Lynns who were weavers living in four different counties of Ulster - Antrim, Derry, Fermanagh, and Tyrone. So, no, occupation is no help connecting Lynn families. It may be important to note, however, that weavers often - perhaps usually - grew their own flax.
Also, the tradition that any particular Lynn family were Huguenots may or may not be accurate. The only historical account I've found on the subject is a chapter in "History of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland" by James Seaton Reid, D.D., in which Reid stated that Rev. Charles Lynd and his parents were "a French Protestant family in Normandy, one of the numerous refugee-households whom the tyranny of Louis XIV, compelled to fly from France in the end of the seventeenth century." Reid goes on to say that the Lynd family settled in Ramullan, County Donegal and that Rev. Lynd went from there to Coleraine. The spellings Lynd and Lynn were sometimes interchanged. The ancestor of a distant cousin of mine wrote his name as Lynd in an 1810 journal while his sons almost always went by Lynn.
In any case, even Reid's account may be in doubt. Nicholas Pynnar in his 1619 survey of the Ulster plantation wrote that Scots settler William Lynne was then in possession of Carrowreagh, County Donegal. Nephews William Lyne and David Lyne were in possession thereof as late as 1654. Rev. Charles Lynd gained possession of Carrowreagh at some point and sold it in 1744. Unfortunately, there seems to be no record of ownership of the property in the intervening 90 years.
One thing is certainly true. A great many Lynns in Ireland were Ulster Scots while some were Irish, the latter having derived their name from Flynn/O'Flynn.
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Family lore was that our Lynds/Lynns were descended from French Huguenots with a background of weaving and involved in the linen industry. The Huguenot story comes down from Andrew Lynd born c1778 who was supposed to be one of six sons whose parents died when the boys were young. As well as that, Andrew's son also called Andrew travelled to America and back at least once in the 1840s on linen business and Andrew's wife's family also traded in linen (backed up by old ledgers and family records).
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I don't doubt they were weavers. It would just be good to see some verification that they were Huguenots. It was handed down by a grandson of my immigrant Lynn ancestor that his grandmother's family were Dutch, but the historical record proves that to be wrong.