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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: Katsy8 on Monday 24 April 17 05:24 BST (UK)
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Am trying to trace family of William Bishop Nimmo born abt 1835 in Linlithgow West Lothian. He married Mary Carson in 1856 & migrated to Australia Tasmania in 1860. His parents names were John Nimmo & Mary Bishop & I believe Mary's parents were James Carson & Kathrine Lang (Laing).
Any help would be greatly appreciated for either William or Mary
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Have you seen this .
1851 census: Livingston Place ,Livingston Linlithgowshire West Lothian.
Mary Bishop or Nimmo Widow age 58 born 1793 born Linlithgow.
William Bishop or Nimmo Son age 15 Scholar born 1836 Linlithgow.
Janet D Brash Granddaughter age 9 born 1842 Linlithgow
John Mitchell Lodger age 24 Forester born Carrington Midlothian.
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Thank you for your tip Normamac.i have a census from 1841 with a family living at Livingston offices ,Livingstone west Lothian with Mary's parents William & Mary . I have no record of Johns death & that record seems to be on point. He was born in West Lothian I believe around 1804 and Mary was abt 1796 so very close!
Greatly appreciated.
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1851 census. 33 Duke Street Glasgow.
James Carson born 1798 Ayr age 53 House Factor.
Catherine Carson born Comeral Ayr 1798 Age 53
Ann Carson age 28
Mary Carson born Glasgow 1840 age 11 [Could this be your Mary Carson]
Mary Jamieson age 18
Janet Montgomery age 15
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I have a sister Anne Carson born in 1831 and a brother David born 1821 who also moved to Australia & sponsored Mary & her husband to Oz.
It's possible they made a mistake in the census as the girls were 10 years apart.
The years for James & Catherine are pretty spot on & were both born in Ayrshire.
It's difficult to pinpoint as I don't have access to full census records .
I think you're pointing me in the right direction however & am extremely grateful.
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I wrote Ann Carsons age down wrong.
It said 20 and she was born in 1831.
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Wow then I think you may just have nailed it!
Thank you sooo much
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Possible Parents
David Carson & Mary Rayburn.
James Carson birth & baptisms Ayr, Ayrshire 1799.
Possible Parents.
William Lang & Janet Templeton .
Katherine Lang Bap. 13 Nov. 1798 Colmonell, Ayrshire .
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I found a Mary Raeburn born in Banff 1782 parents Isobel Scott & James Reburn have also seen spelling Rayburn. Marriage to David Carson 1797 in Ayr.
Have found a birth frecord for Kathrine Lang too so thank you for that. Now the Lang,Templeton hunt continues.
Cheers
Kat
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I found a Mary Raeburn born in Banff 1782 parents Isobel Scott & James Reburn have also seen spelling Rayburn. Marriage to David Carson 1797 in Ayr.
You cannot and must not assume that Mary Reburn, born in Banff in 1782, is the one who married David Carson in Ayr in 1797.
Banff and Ayr are a very long way apart in 18th and 19th century terms, and the Mary Reburn born in Banff on 4 November 1782 was only 14 when David Carson married Mary Raeburn in Ayr on 14 May 1797. There are plenty of Mary Raeburns born in the southern part of Scotland and of a more marriageable age.
David and Mary had at least seven children:
Isobell, 1798
James, 1799
John, 1801
Andrew, 1803
William, 1806
David, 1809
Marion, 1811
IF they followed the naming tradition
First daughter after maternal grandmother
First son after paternal grandfather
Second daughter after paternal grandmother
Second son after maternal grandfather
Third daughter after mother
Third son after father
you would expect Mary Raeburn to be the daughter of John Raeburn and Isobel.
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Thanks Forfarion,
I had found the children to their marriage,but yet to find David & Marys birth.
Am still hunting so the tip of a possible John and Isobel being Mary's parents is a good start.
Many thanks.
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Katsy, there was a John Bishop who married Elizabeth Burns, daughter of the poet, buried at Whitburn, West Lothian. I think he was the factor to Baillie of Polkemmet.
Skoosh.
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Elizabeth Burns or Bishop
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3221805
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3221816
John Bishop died in 1857, aged 75. His parents were Thomas Bishop and Jane Weir. John Bishop and Elizabeth Burns had Elizabeth, 1807; Thomas, 1809; Jane, 1811; Helen, 1813; Mary Lion, 1815.
Thomas Bishop and Jean Weir were married in Whitburn in 1781 and had John, 1782; William, 1784; Ann, 1786; Helen, 1790; Robert, 1793; James, 1796; and George, 1798. There's also a listing of a child William to John Bishop and Jean Weir in 1788. I wondered if this John might be a clerical error for Thomas, and William another child of Thomas Bishop and Jane/Jean Weir. There is no record of a Mary who could be the wife of John Nimmo. (Doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't one, of course.)
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Thanks Skoosh and Forfarian,
That would certainly be a wonderful connection ! Following the name tradition proved to be a great help as my gg grandmother Catherine Lang Nimmo daughter of William Bishop Nimmo & Mary Carson appears to have received her grandmothers name Catherine Lang so thank you for the tip.
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It occurs to me that the death certificate of Mary Bishop or Nimmo could be very useful. At the moment, the latest sighting of her seems to be that 1851 census. Has anyone found her in 1861 or later? Or a death certificate? Though there doesn't seem to be one in the SP index.
(I don't think she can be the Mary Bishop who died in Whitburn in 1871, aged 82. There is a Mary Bishop, widow, aged 69 at Half Way House, Whitburn in the 1861 census. In 1841 there is a family at Half Way House consisting of John Bishop, 55; Mary Bishop, 45; Sarrah Bishop, 15; John Bishop, 10; Sarrah Millar, 10; Sarrah Millar, 75; and two servants. So I think this Mary Bishop is probably Mary Millar, who married John Bishop and had a family in Whitburn including Sarah, baptised 30 August 1821, and John, baptised 11 December 1829.)
Could Mary Bishop or Nimmo have emigrated with her son William, or perhaps joined him later?
Also intrigued by Janet D Brash, who is listed in 1841 with the Bishop/Nimmo family as a baby and then as Mary Bishop or Nimmo's granddaughter in 1851. Who is her mother? Could she be the Janet Dick Brash who married John Calder in Uphall in 1877? The 1841 says she was one month old, which fits with the 1851 saying she was 9. So she was born in April/May 1841, and therefore conceived in July/August 1840. She can't be the child of Mary Nimmo, who was only 9 in 1841. Could she be the child of Margret Lowe, aged 21? And could Margret Lowe be a daughter of Mary Bishop, born before Mary married John Nimmo .... Eureka! There is a baptism of Margaret Low in Livingston on 16 January 1820, parents Lawrince Low and Mary Bishop. So if I am right, John Nimmo was Mary's Bishop's second husband. Janet's marriage certificate might clarify that.
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Both parents were deceased by 1856 according to William and Mary's marriage record. I've had no luck finding a death record between 1851-56
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Ah. Probably no death records then.
I wonder what happened to Mary Nimmo, who was 9 in 1841?
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A James Dick Calder, d.18 Dec'1908 age 64 Cancer, from Manchester, ex bank Manager!
Skoosh.
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There's a 2 year old granddaughter in the 1851 census a Janet Brash? Am wondering if she was possibly Mary's daughter?
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There's a 2 year old granddaughter in the 1851 census a Janet Brash? Am wondering if she was possibly Mary's daughter?
In the transcription posted earlier by Normamac (Reply #1, yesterday) Janet Brash is listed as aged 9, not aged 2. The SP index also says she was 9. Where did you find her aged 2?
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I downloaded the census yesterday from Scotlands people & can now see I misread the hand writing.
So I guess there must be another daughter to Mary Bishop from a previous marriage ?
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Apologies Forfarian I think I shouldn't be attempting research at 2am with a foggy head :'( I totally missed your pure genius at work in discovering the mystery of Janet Brash & Marys first marriage .
Am most grateful to you,you truly are a whizz
Cheers
Kat
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Thank you. But remember it is still only a theory - you need to get Janet Brash's marriage certificate to prove it. I could be completely wrong!
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It's been a long night of searching but I think I finally found Janet. Well I hope so!
Mary Bishops marriage to Lawrince Lowe in Livingston shows he was from Dysart Fife.
I believe Margaret to be the only child from this marriage born in Livingstone. I now believe she bore
An illegitimate child (Janet) to a William Brash.
Strangely I can't find Margaret since the 1851 census. A Janet Brash is recorded arriving in Australia from Scotland in 1860 aged 19,retained as a general servant in melbourne.She married Giovanni Derung from Switzerland & on marriage record has Janet's /Jessie's parents as Margaret Lowe/Louie & William Brash. They moved to NZ where she died in 1864.
Will not rule this theory out until I discover what happened to her mother Margaret Lowe.
Still hunting
Cheers
Kat
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It's been a long night of searching but I think I finally found Janet. Well I hope so!
Very good, Kat!
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:)
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katsy 8
i'ma descendant of William and Mary, they are my 3X great grandparents, can i ask where you got his middle name from? i've not come across it before
thanks
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can i ask where you got his middle name from? i've not come across it before
It's very common for a child to be named after a grandparent or other relative. Quite often the baptism record doesn't include the middle name (i.e. the grandparent's surname), but it appears in later records.
It has been suggested to me, or I have read somewhere, that the kirk was only really interested in the first given name of a child, and tended to ignore any other names, but I have not seen any reliable authority for that suggestion.
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Hi Natasha,
His full name is cited in the Australian cemetery Index ,Bishop being his mother’s maiden name .
Would love to hear more from you
Cheers
Kathy