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I have a marriage for Patrick J Hartnett of Springfield MA Hotel Proprietor 10th June 1907 age 44 Father Maurice Hartnett Mother Johanna Killigrew To Elizabeth V Dorgan Nurse Father Michael Dorgan Mother Bridget Sheehan.
Cannot locate Patrick on any census after his marriage. Any leads appreciated thank you
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Just so people can see the previous thread on Maurice & family: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=770021.0
I looked for Patrick before, but I didn't see anything that was a definite match.
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The city directories for Springfield from at least 1901 have a Patrick J. Hartnett, prop (proprietor, I guess?) American House 243 Main, home ditto. Under Saloons, it also has Patrick J. Hartnett, 245 Main. In the 1910 Springfield city directory, it says Hartnett, Patrick J. rem West. I'm not sure if West is West Springfield, the western part of the US, or something else entirely.
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I suspect this is Elizabeth in the 1910 census - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2JB-JLJ The middle initial and occupation matches the marriage record. She's listed as widowed, but I wonder if that was really the case if the city directory said he moved.
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Interesting clues in the preview snippets. Need play around with search criteria to see more.
Marriage: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k02/
Probate court & lawsuits:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k03/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k04/
1915-1916 see something about bankruptcy and Patrick J Hartnett of New York, former proprietor of the American House
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k05/
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1910 census as previously posted appears to be the correct one. She had one child since deceased.
1920 Census: Elizabeth V Hartnett age 39 married, trained Nurse (private family) Roomer, Hamden Mass.
1929 Directory Washington DC,
Elizabeth Hartnette 447 Chap. NW apartment 41, widow of Patrick J Hartnette
1930 Census: Elizabeth V Hartnett widow age 52 Nurse, private family. Washington DC. Rents
1940 Census: Elizabeth Hartnett same address as 1930 census age 60 widow. Rents
Died 7 May 1952 Buried Arlington National Cemetery Washington DC Plot/sec 21 grave 12-11
Re the application for burial she was born 1 April 1878 and was a reserve in the Army Nurse Corp WW1
from August 12 1918-September 14 1919 Nearest contact is Edward T Dorgan, 833 Chestnut Street Springfield Mass.
So if the 1929 directory is correct Patrick died before 1929
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The city directories for Springfield from at least 1901 have a Patrick J. Hartnett, prop (proprietor, I guess?) American House 243 Main, home ditto. Under Saloons, it also has Patrick J. Hartnett, 245 Main. In the 1910 Springfield city directory, it says Hartnett, Patrick J. rem West. I'm not sure if West is West Springfield, the western part of the US, or something else entirely.
Thank you shelly for the information
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Interesting clues in the preview snippets. Need play around with search criteria to see more.
Marriage: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k02/
Probate court & lawsuits:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k03/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k04/
1915-1916 see something about bankruptcy and Patrick J Hartnett of New York, former proprietor of the American House
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k05/
Hi thank you for links but it seems I cannot view the contents unless I sign up?
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1910 census as previously posted appears to be the correct one. She had one child since deceased.
1920 Census: Elizabeth V Hartnett age 39 married, trained Nurse (private family) Roomer, Hamden Mass.
1929 Directory Washington DC,
Elizabeth Hartnette 447 Chap. NW apartment 41, widow of Patrick J Hartnette
1930 Census: Elizabeth V Hartnett widow age 52 Nurse, private family. Washington DC. Rents
1940 Census: Elizabeth Hartnett same address as 1930 census age 60 widow. Rents
Died 7 May 1952 Buried Arlington National Cemetery Washington DC Plot/sec 21 grave 12-11
Re the application for burial she was born 1 April 1878 and was a reserve in the Army Nurse Corp WW1
from August 12 1918-September 14 1919 Nearest contact is Edward T Dorgan, 833 Chestnut Street Springfield Mass.
So if the 1929 directory is correct Patrick died before 1929
thank you Elizabeth still seems married in 1920
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Interesting clues in the preview snippets. Need play around with search criteria to see more.
Marriage: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k02/
Probate court & lawsuits:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k03/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k04/
1915-1916 see something about bankruptcy and Patrick J Hartnett of New York, former proprietor of the American House
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k05/
Hi thank you for links but it seems I cannot view the contents unless I sign up?
If you scroll up and down, you can see snippets of the articles without paying.
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Elizabeth V. Hartnett is also listed in the 1910 Springfield directory where Patrick was listed as "rem West", but Elizabeth was not listed as moving anywhere or as a widow. She is in a number of other Springfield directories after that through the 1920's, but she was either Mrs. Elizabeth V. Hartnett or just Elizabeth V. Hartnett and was not noted to be a widow. In the 1927 Springfield city directory, it says "rem to Washington, D.C."
I suspect this may be a case of divorce or abandonment rather than being widowed.
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Elizabeth V. Hartnett is also listed in the 1910 Springfield directory where Patrick was listed as "rem West", but Elizabeth was not listed as moving anywhere or as a widow. She is in a number of other Springfield directories after that through the 1920's, but she was either Mrs. Elizabeth V. Hartnett or just V. Hartnett and was not noted to be a widow. In the 1927 Springfield city directory, it says "rem to Washington, D.C."
I suspect this may be a case of divorce or abandonment rather than being widowed.
I feel you are correct shelly with your conclusions. Are these Court records available from any source - did scroll through the attachments but difficult to make out the exact proceedings.
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I had a look through various newspapers in Springfield (only able to view snippets) and there is a death in Hampden hospital March 6th 1918 for a Patrick Hartnett also funeral notice in Springfield Republican newspaper for Funeral to St Marys Cemetery ----ndsor Locks March 8th 1918 Anyone know possible name of this cemetery or have access to Newspapers in Springfield.
In Springfield Republican 21st July 1898 there is a trial of Patrick Hartnett & 2 others for illegal liquor selling in Worcester County North Brookfield MA.
28th March 1901 there is a mention of a Lease of American House to Patrick Hartnett.
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The Massachusetts death index has a Patrick Francis Hartnett who died in Springfield in 1918. The cemetery in question is probably in Windsor Locks, Connecticut, which is close to Springfield.
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The Massachusetts death index has a Patrick Francis Hartnett who died in Springfield in 1918. The cemetery in question is probably in Windsor Locks, Connecticut, which is close to Springfield.
Thank you shelly :)
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I don’t believe we can attach articles on the look-up request board, but in addition to their wedding announcement, there were many items about smallish property-ownership cases.
In one grouping, Elizabeth claimed that some of her wedding gifts had been included in the sale of the hotel. She argued that the wedding gifts belonged to her, not her husband, and on 4 March 1913 she was awarded $80. It still went back and forth a bit. In November 1913, she was awarded an oak center-table and the defendant was awarded a brass bed, wire spring, and mattress.
Probably of most interest to you, was a 30 June 1914 petition for support by Elizabeth, who stated that her husband Patrick had deserted her and that they lived apart. She referred specifically to goods in the possession of John D. Hayes, her husband’s trustee. She asked for $5000.
In 1915, Patrick J. Hartnett entered a claim against the bankrupt estate of Mr. John D. Hayes, saying that he had given him a check for $5000. Haynes claimed the check was a gift, but Hartnett claimed that he was having trouble with his wife at the time, so he gave the money to Hayes to prevent his wife from getting it. Hartnett insisted it was to be paid back with interest. The judge refused to allow the claim.
There were a couple articles about an incident that occurred at Elizabeth’s apartment in 1915. She had sublet three rooms while she was away nursing in Palmer. Apparently the tenant wife suffered a nervous condition after police barged in, mistaking her and her husband for two persons of interest.
That Patrick Hartnett that died in 1918 in Springfield ran a bicycle repair shop and a garage.
Doesn’t sound like your guy.
Diane
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Thank you Gracie752 for all the detailed information. I now know that Patrick deserted his wife Elizabeth. Was The American (hotel?) sold at this time. Patrick seems to have "dipped his fingers in many pies". Before Springfield he was in Brookfield MA as a Landlord of an establishment.
He may well have moved on to the garage business who knows - this Patrick death was the only one I found in Hampden that fitted- said age was 57 which would fit with his dob. If you come across any more snippets I will appreciate. Thank you rgds :) PS Patrick also had a brother Maurice/Morice/born Warren MA 1864 that I cannot locate after 1880 census Parents Maurice Hartnett Mother Johannah (Killigrew)
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Given the difference in the middle name and the reference to Patrick being in New York, I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick died outside of the county or state.
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Given the difference in the middle name and the reference to Patrick being in New York, I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick died outside of the county or state.
Given that Patrick had deserted elizabeth by 1914 & the bankruptcy petition 1915/1916 new york he probably ended up there as petition mentioned he was former owner of american house
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The American House sold around 5 August 1909. The new owner, J. J. McCarthy, was a 17-year veteran of the police force. So, yes, Patrick’s marriage troubles may have prompted the sale.
The Patrick that died in 1918 was born in Suffield, the son of Patrick Hartnett, so definitely not your guy.
Just read the posted link about Patrick’s father Maurice. Died at Andersonville. Ugh. The worst of the Civil War Camps.
A few more interesting little details:
19 January 1896: It was reported that Patrick Hartnett, of Warren, had bought the Central House at North Brookfield. The town only had two hotels. Not sure if he continued to work at both of them.
1898-1901: He was the proprietor of the Batcheller House in North Brookfield for three years. This is where he was on that 1900 census.
https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:fb494g991 (https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:fb494g991)
21 July 1898 Alleged Illegal Liquor Selling: North Brookfield was a no licence town. After a Tuesday night raid by town constables on the Batcheller House, five kegs of beer were found under the floor of the billiard room, the entrance being through a trap door at the side of the room, over which chairs had been placed.
28 March 1901: Leased American House property in Springfield.
1907 wedding: “They left town in the groom’s automobile about 10 o’clock and have gone on a two-weeks wedding trip to Washington and Jamestown. They received many handsome presents and the groom’s gift to the bride was a $1000 check."
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Thank you Gracie for all the interesting info helps to build a picture of Patrick life although his death remains elusive. I guess the bankruptcy in 1915/1916 in NY points to him having moved there. :)
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I thought this Patrick Hartnett in the 1920 census was potentially interesting - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ1H-YB6 All the info doesn't perfectly match your guy, but as he was a roomer, maybe the information came from other folks in the house. His occupation was retired - maybe that's a nice way of saying bankrupt? :-\
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I thought this Patrick Hartnett in the 1920 census was potentially interesting - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ1H-YB6 All the info doesn't perfectly match your guy, but as he was a roomer, maybe the information came from other folks in the house. His occupation was retired - maybe that's a nice way of saying bankrupt? :-\
Feasable Shelly he was born March 1861 also states parents born MA when in fact Ireland but as you say if it was 2nd hand info exact details wouldnt be known. Would there be any account of the bankruptcy proceedings? :)
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I didn’t see him listed on the 1925 NY state census.
There is a Patrick Hartnett, who was buried 9 February 1922, although in Brooklyn. No information about him, not even death date. Possible?
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=173102377&ref=acom (https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=173102377&ref=acom)
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The 1922 death is here and is not him - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WV2-D7S Most people who lived/died in Manhattan in the 20th century are not going to be buried there, as there wasn't lots of room there for cemeteries, so it would otherwise make sense to see a burial elsewhere, usually in Brooklyn or Queens.
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I didn’t see him listed on the 1925 NY state census.
There is a Patrick Hartnett, who was buried 9 February 1922, although in Brooklyn. No information about him, not even death date. Possible?
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=173102377&ref=acom (https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=173102377&ref=acom)
Gracie he has been discounted born Ireland as per record found by Shelly, tks
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The 1922 death is here and is not him - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WV2-D7S Most people who lived/died in Manhattan in the 20th century are not going to be buried there, as there wasn't lots of room there for cemeteries, so it would otherwise make sense to see a burial elsewhere, usually in Brooklyn or Queens.
I guess shelly it like looking for " a needle in a haystack" the elusive patrick could be anywhere ::)
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Hopefully, that needle will turn up somewhere.
The topic of burials in the NY City area is discussed in a NY Times article I found just after mentioning it here. In case anyone is interested, you can read it here - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/nyregion/why-the-brooklyn-queens-border-is-full-of-dead-people.html
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tks shelly - on looking again at the 1910 Census for Elizabeth V Hartnett she is in Springfield Ward 4 Hampden MA. States she is widowed (which we know she wasnt, court cases etc 1913 states husband deserted her) She had 1 child born & O living. Had a look for a birth to Elizabeth c. 1906/1909 cant see 1 with both parents. Tks again for all your help. Rgds
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Given the 1915/1916 Bankruptcy for a Patrick Hartnett in NY. There are Directory entries for a Patrick Hartnett from 1914 to 1917 in Troy NY Occ Saloon. Given Patricks history in Saloons/Hotels thought it may be a possibility. Any ideas?
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I think this is the saloon keeper from Troy in 1910 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MRQH-5Z7 It looks like the same family was in New York in 1900, so probably not your guy. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSG7-BWT
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I think this is the saloon keeper from Troy in 1910 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MRQH-5Z7 It looks like the same family was in New York in 1900, so probably not your guy. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSG7-BWT
Another one for the bin Shelly tks