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Greetings from South Africa,
I may have posted a similar query years ago - so please forgive me. I am looking for information on Charles Daly (b 1832) who came to South Africa between 1847 and 1849. He later decided to return to Ireland, but took ill on board ship and was left on St Helena to recover. While there, he changed his mind and decided to return to S.A. He was picked up by the Birkenhead troop ship en route to the Cape. This ran aground at Danger Point and Charles Daly was the only civilian survivor. He died in 1903. I know nothing of his Irish history except that his death notice shows his father as Martin. He is purported to have come from Gort. A chink in this wall would be amazing!!
Regards
Flick Willmore
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Hi,
I searched for Church records,, too early for those listed.
BUT
The Tithe records (tax and rents) have this.........
Surname Forename Townland/Street Parish County Year
Daly Martin Rosmore Ballynakill Galway 1834
Ballynakill is south of Gort town.
I did see the Death Notices for Charles in 1903 and also for his wife.
A Charles Daly left SA and went to the USA in 1902 he was 24, I did see a Charles on the Children list on the death notices.
I hope this is a help.
Maggsie
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On rootsireland.ie there are at least eleven couples with children born and baptised in 1832 +/- 10 years where the father is named Martin.
None are in Gort but some are in close proximity.
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On wilipedia its say he came from Cort County Galway. 17.3.1832 st Patricks day
http://www.en.wilipedia.org/wiki/hms_Birkenhead_(1845)
also a photo of him
if you go through google and type in the Box Birkenhead Survivors
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Hi Maggsie,
Bless you for all this info. I do have most of it - what a fascinating chap he was. He is mentioned quite substantially in the Birkenhead piece. I just can't find him in Ireland. The Birkenhead piece mentions that his father was an agent/bailiff for Earl Clanricarde - but one can never assume anything without records.
I did not know that bit about Martin born in Ballinaskil. If this Martin was born in 1834, he may have been a brother.(Charles b in 1832) Again too many maybe's - will need to persevere with that clue.
Thanks again.
Flick
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Hi,
No Martin was the tax/rent payer in 1834.
Maggsie
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Had a grey moment there!! Thanks for clarifying. I shall persevere with that. The Charles Daly who came from South Africa aged 24 doesn't seem to fit in my timeline. After the death of my Charles' wife, Harriet Jeanette, he, together with one of his sons went home to Ireland where he met up with an unnamed sister, It was soon after his return to SA in 1903 that he was killed in an accident involving one of his oxen(!!)
Thank you so much for all your help.
Regards
Flick
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family search
http://www.familysearch.org
Probate 14.4.1903 of George Daly, Kimbereley Cap Provice South Africa
Wife Harriet Janet
George Daly Widower
Children Martin George Daly, William John Daly, Ellen Elizabeth Daly, Senyal Kingsmill Daly, Nimrod Jerome Daly.
Death Place Zwart 1'Autre, St Mafeking
His father was called Martin Dalt
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Sorry his father was called Martin Daly
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Sorry, should read Probate of Charles Daly 16.4.1903 not George I think the heat is getting to me it be so cold now its going warmer.
Harriet was Charles wife.
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after his wife died He and his son Nimrod went from capetown to Durban to Madagascal then to Marselles via the suez canal then a train to Paris then to London also Dublin then to see his birth place one sister still alive aged 83, spent 6weeks in ireland then returned to south africa.
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My Great Grandfather was the Charles Daly born Gort, County Galway, Ireland in 1832 on I believe 17Th March. He swam ashore from the Birkenhead wreck as discussed and finally died from an Ox kick to the head aged 71 on 16 April 1903.
He married Harriet Janet Roesch born 21Nov 1842 in Bloemfontein on 28Sep 1865.
His eldest son was Martin George Daly born 9/7/1866 in Bloemfontein.
His youngest son Nimrod Jerome Daly (my Grandfather) was born in Bloemhof on 11/7/1881 and died about 1929. He married Eugenie Thomson in Kimberly on 16/3/1907
My mother Quilimane Daly was his third of ten children. She was born in Mafeking on 14 seep 1911 and died in Cape Town on 11/ Oct 1974.
I was named with the very Irish first name of my uncle (Hanlon) who died aged about 21years old of a ruptured appendix. He had been schooled at St Andrews.
Family history also confirmed Verbally that Charles' father Did indeed work as Bailiff to the Earl.
Quilimane was named after the then town, now city, in Northern Mozambique which allegedly was "the most beautiful place Charles had seen since leaving Ireland".
"Mane"as she was known married my father Leslie L.J. Chiddy in 1939 in ? Bloemfontein. They were both from Mafeking area, and I have visited the farm " Logageng" as a youngster. they settled in Cape Town.
I now live in Sydney , Australia.
p.s.
are we related ??
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Hi Hanlon,
I replied at length to your posting(in a private message), but cannot find my reply anywhere!! (technically a tad challenged) . If you didn't get it, please get back to me and I shall send you another reply. You and my husband are definitely related!!
Regards
Flick
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This is certainly a slowly-slowly-catchy-monkey hobby!! I am still on the Irish trail of Charles Daly.(South Africa) I may have made a breakthrough- those in the know will inform me, I'm sure.
We know that his father, Martin 'worked as a bailiff' for Lord Clanricarde. I have found a Tithes Applotment entry for a Martin Daly in 1856. His landlord is Lord Clanricarde and he lives in Rosmore, Parish Ballynakill, Barony of Leitrim. He is Church of Ireland (Charles was married from The Anglican church in South Africa) and listed under the Diocese of Clonfert and Kilmacduagh. Charles' DC says that he was born in Gort. Am I clutching at straws here?? All advice welcome.
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A Martin George Daly married a Rachel Yates in Dublin around 1820 He died in 1848. She remarried a Thomas Woods shortly thereafter. They can be found in the 1851 census on Preston Lancashire along with perhaps younger siblings of your Charles.
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Thanks, Greg0220! A most interesting possibility - especially since one of Charles' sons was named Martin George. I had not considered that the rest of the family may have emigrated to England - had assumed they hated the English, since Charles refused to fight with them against the Boers.
Could you tell me where I might find the Dublin marriage of MG and Rachel? I found the 1851 census on Ancestry.com.
rgds
Flick
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Sorry, I had looked at this couple's records earlier this week and was going by memory. They were married in Dublin in 1833. He died in 1848 intestate. She remarried to Thomas Woods in 1850. These are listed in the Dublin indexes on Ancestry. There are a few ancestry trees that don't list Charles. The other children appear to have emmigrated to NZ/AUS.
The Earle's of Clanricharde were the Burke family(deBurgh). A very long history with the Daly's. Their primary residence was Portumna Castle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portumna_Castle
It ceased being a residence in 1828, which may explain why Martin George ended up in Dublin. I would guess you descend from the Raford or Dunsandle Daly's.
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Thanks again. Have put all the info in my Ancestry shoebox - not enough corroborating evidence -yet!
This man (Charles Daly) is no brickwall - he's a jolly concrete moat!! So much written about him in South Africa - like most folks whose records were burnt in 'the fire'- there is no definitive evidence of his life in Ireland or even in Gort. where he was born!.
Rgds
Flick
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http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=876
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Thanks again, Greg(is it?) . This is a quote from 'A Deathless Story' - the account of the survivors of the Birkenhead shipwreck - of whom Charles was one. It is on this that I base the few facts that I have:
'Charles Daly died a rich man, but he began the battle of
life a poor lad. He was born at Gort, in Co. Galway, on
March I7th (St. Patrick's Day), 1832. His father was a
bailiff to Lord Clanricarde, and the family, a large one, was
reared on the estate. Things were not very prosperous at
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232 A DEATHLESS STORY
home, and young Daly decided that he could better his
fortunes by going abroad Accordingly, he left Ireland
while still a boy. In 1849 he landed at Durban' 'He was not without education'
My knowledge of the Irish troubles is limited at best. Could a land-owning family ( of the Lismore/ Dunsandle ilk) have been brought so low as to be described as 'a poor lad' Then again did the poor have access to education? I had read of the Dunsandle Dalys, but assumed that my guy was low born.
All very complicated!
I do appreciate all the input that I get from the forums and message boards.
Rgds
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Most of the Daly landed gentry descend from this guy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermot_%C3%93_Daly
Your family hadn't sunk so low, rather, you likely descend from a second, third, or fourth son down the 10 generations from Dermot Daly. These fellows had to make their own way in the world.
There are some clues regarding the Birkenhead. It was transporting troops from the 74th regiment of Highlanders. Left Portsmouth, England and picked up more troops in Cork, Ireland. I would check the muster rolls for this regiment. Maybe Charles had joined the army, or his father had.
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http://www.74thhighlandregiment.com/articles.html
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Thanks again!
I had a laugh when I read that the founding father of the Daly clan was known as a 'chancer'. Our guy, Charles, was also described (in a book on the Boer War) as an opportunistic man!! Clearly ran in the family!!
I am attaching the link to 'A Deathless Story' for your interest. Charles was a civilian who was taken on board the Birkenhead from St Helena. The details are in the link. It really is an exciting story-worth a novel, even!!
https://archive.org/stream/deathlessstoryor00addiiala/deathlessstoryor00addiiala_djvu.txt
You will need to scroll to item 231 to find Charles Daly's story.
Would be happy to receive any ideas you may have in the future.
rgds
Flick
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Hi All
My gg-grandfather was John Barkley, aka James Barkly. He was a survivor of the Birkenhead wreck who reportedly deserted the army after the event and headed inland with "his friends Daly and Seymour". My g-uncle CF Mathews, farmed near to the Daly farm in the Northern Cape and remembers it well. So they settled in the same general area of Western South Africa.
John Barkley was thought to have changed his name from O'Connor. He founded the town of Bloemhof in the Transvaal.
Does anyone have any information on John Barkley?
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Hi there
I am interested to read about your connection with Barkley. I am researching Charles Daly who is the 'Daly' of Daly and Seymour in your reference. Do you have any written history of their friendship. I phoned Bloemhof tourism , asking for info on your relation and mine, but they were not helpful.
I would appreciate any info on Charles Daly that you or your family could provide.
Rgds
Flick Willmore
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Hi
I cannot shed any further light at this stage. Barkley was an enigma. Was his name Barkley or had he changed it from O'Connor when he left the ship? Family word-of-mouth history says he deserted the army after the wreck, changed his name to Barkley, and headed inland with 2 others. There was an O'Connor listed as Lost at Sea which means, if he deserted, could be incorrect. There are no records anywhere of an O'Connor subsequent to the event. Barkley was known for founding the town of Bloemhof. We have records of his family from after he arrived in Bloemhof fairly closely recorded. But we do nopt know who he really was. Compounding this, in 1870, he left home one morning, to herd cattle, and was never seen again. He was presumed eaten by lions, and a Declaration of Death Notice was issued. Family reckon that he merely disappeared and restarted life elsewhere. Charles Daly was very much a real person: he was listed as a passenger, he retained his name, he farmed in the Northern Cape, and his ancestors are known. Any information on John Barkley would be gratefully accepted. Perhaps the Daly history has information on their association which could shed light of this subject. Thanks