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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Gregyboy on Friday 28 April 17 11:39 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to find more information on a family that emigrated from Buckie, Scotland to Winnipeg in the 1910s.
William Alexander Reid was born on 5th June 1889 at Buckie to William Reid and Ann Farquhar.
His wife, Maggie Reaich, was born on 1st January 1889 at Buckie to William Reaich and Jane Murray. William and Maggie (or Margaret) were married at Buckie on 25th July 1915, although Maggie had been out to Canada beforehand. Maggie's two siblings, Isabella and James, both emigrated.
I have searched the available databases offering BMD records for the Manitoba region and have an Ancestry subscription all to no avail when trying to trace when they died. I have been able to find them in the 1916 and 1921 census of Canada, where they have two children, M (b.1915) and W (b.1917). They were living in Winnipeg at the time.
If anyone would be able to offer any assistance it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Greg
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If his middle name was Alexander and he had a sister Jean then his obit is in the Winnipeg Free Press on 10 May 1974. Can't view without subscription, maybe RunKitty will have a look for you.
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Hi,
It says William Alexander Reid died on May 8 1974 at the Fred Douglas Lodge. He was 85. Husband of Margaret Reid, late of 1275 Burrows Ave, formerly of 688 Kylemore Ave. He was born in Scotland and came to Canada in 1914. He worked for Winnipeg Transit for 45 years. He is survived by his wife, his son W of Winnipeg, his daughter Mrs Margaret Bowlby of Winnipeg, 4 grandchildren, brother Jim and sister Jean of Scotland. Nephew W Gall of Winnipeg. Interment Chapel Lawn Memorial Gardens, Winnipeg. One Bowlby and 2 Reids are listed among the pallbearers.
RK
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Obituary for Margaret Reid Bowlby - 2005
http://passages.winnipegfreepress.com/passage-details/id-94480/BOWLBY_MARGARET
RK
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Obituary for Margaret Bowman Reid in the Winnipeg Free Press, Oct 8 1977.
She died on Oct 7 1977 at the Fred Douglas Lodge. She was 88. Previous addresses same as in the obituary for William Alexander Reid. Interment Chapel Lawn Memorial Gardens. Survived by son W T, daughter Mrs H Bowlby, 6 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren, numerous nieces and nephews. She was a member of Riverview United Church.
RK
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Howard J Bowlby died at the Charleswood Centre, Winnipeg, on April 28 1999, aged 86.
RK
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Small piece in the The Winnipeg Tribune - 28 July 1936 - if you scroll down and go thru the OCR text - remainder pay per view.
Mr. and Mrs. W. A. Reid announce the engagement of their only daughter, Margaret to Mr. Howard Bowlby, second son of Mr. and Mrs. E. A. Bowlby of Imperial, Sask. The wedding will take place In August..............
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/37265854/
Sandra
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Howard J Bowlby died at the Charleswood Centre, Winnipeg, on April 28 1999, aged 86.
RK
Obituary listed Daily Times Obituary Index.
BOWLBY, Howard J; 86 years - Winnipeg Manitoba - Winnipeg F-P; 1999-5-1; nostalgic
http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=BOWLBY%2C%20Howard%20J&type=Keyword
Sandra
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Thank you to everyone who has helped me. I'm skimming through the index of the Winnipeg Free Press so I'm able to pick up little bits of extra information thanks to your guidance. I'm not all that familiar with Canadian resources so if there are any other newspaper archives like the Winnipeg Press that I can search through then I'd appreciate it very much if anyone were able to provide me with the links.
Greg
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Before looking any further, is the marriage record giving Maggie Reaich as the bride definitely the right one?
I ask because the date of the Scotland marriage is one month after the birth of daughter Margaret in Winnipeg. The obit for that daughter says her birthday was 26 Apr 1915, and the detail view for that birth at the Manitoba archives puts the birth mother as married, and maiden name of Bowman, not Reaich. ???
Sorry to burst the bubble, but best we are following the right track!
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There is a marriage of William Alexander Reid and a Margaret Bowman in Manitoba 24/10/1914 which fits the birth of Margaret Reid in 1915.
https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
Sandra
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Starting to think the couple you found in the Winnipeg census that were the right names, ages and Scotland births are not the couple you are seeking. Did your William Reid have siblings named James and Jean? Was his middle name Alexander? I can't find any family in the 1891 or 1901 Banffshire census that fits.
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Noticed you have been online recently - need you to come back to us on this one.
Have you got the marriage certificate for Maggie Reaich and William Alexander Reid in 1915 ???
Noticed another marriage for a Maggie Reaich to Alexander Mcleod but she was the daughter of George Reaich and Margaret Cowie.
The surname rang a bell - so presuming your line might be Reaich - we've previously looked at William Reaich who was born on 14th April 1897 at 21 Mid Street, Buckie in Scotland to William Reaich and Jessie Cowie.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=676609.0
Noticed James Reaich (which you mentioned as the brother of your Maggie) passed away in Vancouver British Columbia 4 January 1962 -
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=158244225
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLR2-BRM
marriage - 13 February 1912 Vancouver BC - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD8Z-ZQJ
Helen Donald wife of James passed away 3 August 1985 - Burnaby British Columbia.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL21-3FR
Would this be your Reaich family in 1891 Hall Street Buckie Banff ???
William Reich Junar 29
Jane Reich 28
James Reich 4 passed away British Columbia 4 January 1962
Maggie Reich 2
William John Reich 5 months - there is a death 1950 Aberdeen Northern District - 168/1 784 - aged 59 years.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KSD8-7MQ
and in 1901 - 11 Hall Street Buckie Banff
John Reaich 35 Mary Reaich 32
Mary Reaich 4
Joseph Reaich 30
William Jappy 21 Bro-in-law
all the above were 9 Hall Street and below 11 Hall Street
Jane Reaich 38
James Reaich 14
Maggie Reaich 12
John Reaich 10
Bella Reaich 8
George Reaich 6
Alex Reaich 2 Months
Isabella Reaich married twice - first to John Cormack Smith and then to Thomas J O Hagan.
Isabella passed away 24 January 1985 - Vancouver British Columbia -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLL9-DDD
Listed on death of her daughter Jean Murray Sanderson - 21 September 1966 - Vancouver BC.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLT1-MLR
Death of Thomas O Hagan - 17 March 1966 Comox British Columbia
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLTT-YGH
Sandra
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Of the 185 William Reids born in Scotland between 1888 & 1890 only 3 were named William Alexander. Two were born in 1888 and 1 born 1889 whose birth was registered in Rathven. Search in the census shows this William Alexander Reid parents were Alexander & Mary Jane and he had a brother James born about 1900. Since he was born the same year and same place as your William, I think they were likely cousins with grandfather William Reid. I also think this William Alexander Reid is the person found in Winnipeg.
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Hi,
Sorry for not getting back to you on this one - been working so I've only had a chance to check the account. I think there is a chance we may have found the wrong family. I don't have the marriage certificate to hand but can confirm they were married in Buckie, Scotland in 1915. Maggie had emigrated out a few years previously but for whatever reason was married back in Scotland. I didn't notice until today that the Margaret in question had a middle name Bowman which I think cancels out the chances of this being the same family.
I have looked at the 1916 census of Canada where William and Maggie have a daughter also called Maggie. In the 1921 census there were no entries for Maggie, but one for Margaret. Whether or not this is the same family I couldn't say as Reid is a universally common name. I have been able to find Margaret's brother, James Reaich, in that census. I have also found her sister Isabella Smith in the 1921 census (it's highly likely that it was her given she was a widow (Isabella's husband died in WW1) and she had a son called William). I have been able to look at the death certificates of James (d.1962) and Isabella (d.1985), but I did have a bit of trouble making out the name of the informant on Isabella's death certificate, though it was certainly a son.
Isabella Reaich came out to Canada in 1909 and I believe Maggie went out in 1911.
Greg
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They did live at Hall Street in Buckie, that was the family house. It would appear that James, Maggie and Isabella all left for Canada, while the other siblings remained in Scotland.
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Attestation Papers for James Reaich show him living 44 Slocan Street Hastings E Vancouver - 26 January 1916
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=591000
Father William Reaich passed away 1915 -
William Reaich - 78 years. - 1915 - 164/ 135 - Rathven
Sandra
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I found William Alexander Reid! In Scotland! :D :D :D I guess after marrying, Maggie did not return to Canada.
In the series UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927 there are three entries for him, 1913, 1915, and 1917.
He states being born in 1889 in Buckie in all three. In 1913 and 1915 he is on Seaview Rd, Buckie but in 1917 he is at 11 Hull St Buckie!
This is the same address given in the newspaper article given for the death of Maggie's father.
Correction, 11 Hall St, not Hull St.
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I guess they didn't then! I had trouble finding Maggie and William's deaths anywhere in Scotland so I assumed that she had gone back out there. I'm assuming she was out visiting her brother and sister in 1911.
I have been able to find the details of Isabella Reaich's children. Jean Murray Cormack Smith married John Sanderson from England - he went back to England after their death. I have their marriage in 1939. She has a brother, W J C Smith (b.1914) who married in Vancouver in 1941 and later applied for a divorce in 1958 - this was listed when he applied for a marriage license in Washington, 1958.
I did recently come across the marriage certificate for Isabella to Thomas John O'Hagan. I'm currently looking to see if I can find any children for them as they married in 1923 and were both of child-bearing age.
James Reaich and Helen Donald had three sons - John Donald Reaich (d.1994), William James Reaich (d.1916) and Alexander Donald Reaich (d.1943). Currently looking to see if I can seek out any more but so far I've had no success.
Many thanks to everyone for your help so far,
Greg
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Canada Voters List 1940 shows Mr Thomas O'Hagan (clerk) and Mrs Thomas O'Hagan - 1067 Lillooet Street Comox - also at the same address William J Smith (accountant)
Probably the informant on Isabella death certificate
Sandra
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Aberdeen Press and Journal 11 Jan 1916
page 3
Body of Buckie Fisherman Found
Intelligence was received in Buckie yeserday
that the body of William Reaich, fisherman,
who resided at 11 Hall Street, Buckie, had
been found after being six weeks in the water.
Reaich who leaves a widow and grown-up
family was 55 years of age. He was one of
the crew of the steam drifter Reliance, and he
disappeared in the darkness one night while
the vessel was lying in a Moray Firth port.
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Possible death for Jane Reaich -
Jane Reaich - 80 years - 1942 - 164/1 108 - Rathven
Sandra
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As I have access to Scottish records and the Registry House I have been able to find everyone that remained in Scotland. The only thing I have difficulty with is finding the ones who went to Canada.
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If you have access to ancestry - there is a photo of the headstone inscription for William Reaich (1915) and Jane (1942)
Sandra
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Sandra
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Sandra
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Hi Sandra,
I think that's where the confusion came in - I think that's the wrong family. As someone previously mentioned Maggie may have remained in Scotland. I mistakenly assumed that she had gone out to Canada with her husband given that she had been out there previously. I still haven't found their deaths in Scotland but I will keep trying and see what I can find!
Greg
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Yes, I realised it was repetitive of previous info which we had discounted.
Sandra
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This is a possible interesting birth in Rathven (William Reid and Maggie Reaich)
Jane Murray Reid - F - 1923 - 164/ 222 - Rathven
Sandra
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As a matter of fact I have a Jane Murray Reid in my tree (born in 1912). All of the surnames in Rathven (which is the registration district for Buckie) are very common so it's no surprise when you come across people with the same name.
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Just thinking outside the box here... but going back the 1913. 1915, and 1917 certificates i mentioned earlier, he went from 2nd mate, to first mate, then master of "foreign going steamships only" in the merchant service.
This could mean they didn't necessarily stay in Scotland if he had a consistent foreign route, and that's why the difficulty of finding the death regs for William and Maggie. They may have moved to the foreign port?
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That's certainly a plausible explanation as to why I couldn't find them. I'm not willing to rule out that they might have emigrated as of yet, there just may be a chance that they emigrated to a place other than Canada. It would make sense if they did in fact settle in Canada given their family living there already, but I'm willing to keep my options open with this one.
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The site http://buckieheritage.org/old-snippets/ has all sorts of Reids, Reaich, Farquars, etc but not William Alexander and Maggie that I could find.
I had better luck at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk using the search terms merchant seamen. It directed me to Merchant seamen registers 1918-1941 which are at findmypast.
Not only was William there, but it had a picture of him! The form itself is called a CR10, and unfortunately on his, as well as all the other ones I looked at, the next of kin line was never filled out. It is him though, as his birthdate and place match perfectly.
It does give his discharge number, and after a lot of reading, I have found that the discharge number isn't a discharge from service, but the lifetime number used when discharged from one ship to move to another ship. As in, every time they sailed a different ship, they would use the same discharge number on the paperwork for their lifetime.
Somewhere at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and various forums, I read that there are files that you can track people by this discharge number, but many files have been lost over time. You may want to ask the Archives about that, or perhaps try asking on the forum at http://www.shipsnostalgia.com/showthread.php?t=29807 (look at the first reply, might be some help in there).
Another lead to follow might be the recent death (2016) of a James Reid. I found him looking through Scotlandspeople's deaths of Reids with a mother with a maiden name of Reaich, and he was the only hit. He was 93, and death registered in Elgin Moray. Maybe you can find an obit; I had no luck, but admittedly didn't really know where all to find Scottish obits. I also tried to find a birth for him, but there was far too many, with several in Rathven, same place that William and Maggie married, if memory serves.
If you can't access the file with his picture, pm me an email address if you would like to see it.
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Hi,
Many thanks for your help so far, it has been very helpful and I very much appreciate it.
As for the websites regarding Buckie, I'm aware of all of them and use them regularly. The Buckie Heritage website is quite useful and I have been to the centre in Buckie itself.
As a matter of fact I already have that James Reid in my tree. He is related to the Reaich side but not directly. As for obituaries in Scotland, I use the Press and Journal so I've actually found that obituary before.
I'm currently looking through findmypast and all of the relevant websites pertaining to the different countries.
Thanks,
Greg