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Title: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 10:52 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone Having a lot of trouble sorting this family out, so any help finding them appreciated.
Have marriage record for John & Isabella, birth records for Isabella and children but no birth record for John.

1841 Census Sowerby Street Botchergate, Carlise Cumberland, England
John   Backhouse 30   1811   Cumberland   Carlisle   St Cuthbert   Cumberland
Isabella Backhouse 25   1816   Cumberland   Carlisle   St Cuthbert   Cumberland
Wm   Backhouse  8   1833   Cumberland   Carlisle   St Cuthbert   Cumberland
Ann   Backhouse  4   1837   Cumberland   Carlisle   St Cuthbert   Cumberland
John   Backhouse  2   1839   Cumberland   Carlisle   St Cuthbert   Cumberland

Can't find any of them on the 1851 census.
Have Wm Backhouse wife (but no William)
1851 Census Cummings Lane Botchergate, Carlise Cumberland, England
Elizabeth Gorden Age 20 1831 Married. Occupation. Working In Cotton Mill. Relationship to Head of Household Step Daughter. Birthplace.  Scotland Edinburgh
Elizabeth is living with her mother who has remarried. Elizabeth says married so should be Backhouse but have put her maiden name instead.

Found this BACKHOUSE, John Joiner, died 09.01.1845 [Christ Church Memorials no 34]
but can't find death record so unsure if him.

William isn't with his wife on the 1861 census but is with her on the 1871 & 1881 census.
He then disappears again 1891 and then is with his married daughter Rachael Worthington   on the 1901 census. William says he's a Joiner on 1871 & 1881 census 
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 11:06 BST (UK)
Death of Isabella Backhouse - Carlisle - Vol 25 page 35 - March 1845

Death listed for Ann Backhouse June 1846 - Carlisle - vol 25 page 33  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 11:12 BST (UK)
Thank you Sandra, so maybe both parents died, but where are the children? William married very young but even he's missing on the 1851 census.
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 11:25 BST (UK)
Keep looking at this chap - same occupation ? Son would be right age ?

1851 Wetheral Botchergate Carlisle

John Backhouse   48 Joiner. Born Longtown.
Margart Backhouse 40 Born Canonbie Scotland.
John Backhouse   12 Born Carllisle
Ann Ward   19 Visitor born Carlisle.

Class HO107 Piece 2429 Folio 400 Page 41
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 11:30 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra Have just looked at that tried finding marriage for John & Margaret to see if that shines any light but no luck at the moment.
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 11:31 BST (UK)
No I didn't find one listed on BMD - could have been in Scotland ? Margaret was listed as Canonbie which is Dumfrieshire.

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 11:38 BST (UK)
Thank you, tried 1861 census but no luck there either
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 11:41 BST (UK)
No he doesn't seem to appear on that - there is a death in Carlisle March 1853 - John Backhouse - 10b 276. Not enough information to positively identify him as yours without checking the info on the death certificate  :-\

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 11:50 BST (UK)
Thank you, the men in this family sure liked to disappear  :) wish I could identify John's parents but can't find a birth record.
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 11:56 BST (UK)
1861 Chirton Tynemouth Northumberland (Chirton - same as William and Elizabeth in later census ?)

John Backhouse   Born 1806 Carlisle. Aged 55 year. Joiner and Grocer.
Margaret Backhouse Born 1819 Carlisle. Aged 42 years.   
Ann Backhouse Born 1855 Carlisle. Aged 6 years.

Sandra



Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Geoff-E on Sunday 30 April 17 12:00 BST (UK)
... there is a death in Carlisle March 1853 - John Backhouse - 10b 276.

Age given as 8 on GRO website.
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:03 BST (UK)
Interesting 1881 14 High Row Chirton Tynemouth Northumberland - census transcription is a mess on anc. Basically this is how it should read.


Margaret Backhouse   59 Born Scotland. Widow.
Ann Gray   26 Born Scotland. Married.
John Backhouse   4 Born Northumberland. Son of Annie I suspect.
Thomas Branning 49 Lodger. Ireland.
Joseph Shott   26 Lodger. Blydon Durham.

1871 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BX-PXS



1891 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HSGK-KN2 (daughter Backhouse - single)

Margaret Backhouse -  Head    aged 69   Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Annie Backhouse - Daughter aged   37   Dumfriesshire, Scotland
John Henry Backhouse - Son aged 14   Northumberland, England
Joseph Stott - Boarder aged 36   Northumberland, England
Alexander Wandless - Boarder aged 10   Newsham, Northumberland, England

Sandra

Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:05 BST (UK)
1901 Percy Main Tynemouth Northumberland

RG13 Piece 4800 Folio 196 Page: 3

Margaret Backhouse   81 Born Scotland. Widow.
Annie Grey   47 Born Scotland.
John H Backhouse   24 Born Percy Main. Northumberland. Postman.
Joseph Stott   46 Boarder.

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:07 BST (UK)
Death Registration for Margaret Backhouse - born 1821 passed away registration year 1905 - Q4 - aged 84 years - Tynemouth - 10b 146

Annie Grey gives Canonbie as a birthplace in 1911

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMN-T6R



Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:12 BST (UK)
Birth of John Henry Backhouse did not give a mothers maiden name

John Henry Backhouse -
GRO Reference: 1877  M Quarter in Tynrmouth - Volume 10B  Page 188

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:13 BST (UK)
John Backhouse born 1877 passed away Tynemouth 1953 - 1 b 467

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:16 BST (UK)
There was a marriage of Ann Backhouse to a Robert Gray registered March 1879 (after the birth of John) - Newcastle Upon Tyne - 10b 21 -  ???

A couple of Robert Gray deaths Tynemouth March 1881 (prior to 1881 census) but Ann is listed as married on that census  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 12:20 BST (UK)
 :) I was just going to say must be them 1871 census 

Margaret Backhouse   Head   F   45   Dunfenshire, Canabe widowed
Annie Backhouse   Daughter   F   17   Cumberland, Carlisle8

Not right one  :)
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 12:28 BST (UK)
that is her on the 1871 census isn't it but says she's widowed ???

sorry got a bit confused with the death of John 1877 but he can't be the son of John if she was a widow in 1871 right?
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:34 BST (UK)
John Backhouse - possible death registered December 1869 Tynemouth - aged 64 years - 10b 106

Which would make Margaret a widow on the 1871 census.

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:35 BST (UK)
John Henry Backhouse married Elizabeth Hamilton  - Q1 1906 - Durham - 10a 542

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:37 BST (UK)
Elizabeth nee Hamilton Backhouse - born about 1886 passed away June 1962 - aged 76 years - Tynemouth. 1b 507

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 30 April 17 12:41 BST (UK)
that is her on the 1871 census isn't it but says she's widowed ???

sorry got a bit confused with the death of John 1877 but he can't be the son of John if she was a widow in 1871 right?

John 1877 was the son of Annie Backhouse.

Sandra
Title: Re: Help finding this family please
Post by: Washy on Sunday 30 April 17 12:43 BST (UK)
Was just going to say is he the son of annie  :)