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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: jonw65 on Monday 01 May 17 21:54 BST (UK)
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City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966, have been added to ancestry.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61263
Should save Steve a few look ups!
John
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Great. ;D Now to the long list of missing burials for the East End. ;)
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I hope they've done a better job than they have with Chingford Mount Cemetery amongst this collection - http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=9041. There are a lot of missing folios including for a couple of my direct ancestors. I've been manually though the images and they're not there. :-X
EDIT - well I'm disappointed by the Chingford Mount screw up, but I've just found four missing burials in City of London & Tower Hamlets, including two direct line, so am feeling a bit more amenable towards Ancestry. ;D
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Well pleased, and a lot happier than with the issues with Chingford Mount Cemetery on Ancestry, I've so far found 13 direct ancestor burials and quite a few sidelines too. ;D
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Thank you for alerting me to the release of these records. Twenty one direct ancestors found so far from 1861 to 1965, with only one transcription error (my g-grandfather, boxing champion, Richard "Harry" Paul was 90 not 30 when he was one of the last to be buried at THC on 11 December 1965).
Kenneth Greenway - who looks after the nature park at "Bow Cemetery" as it remains known locally, will be looking forward to a rush of visitors trying to locate their ancestors' graves.
www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/lgnl/leisure_and_culture/parks_and_open_spaces/cemetery_park
I recall that there were two ladies who spent the second Sunday of each month transcribing the inscriptions at Bow Cemetery. A massive task. Not sure that they ever made these available on-line or elsewhere, but they and Ken were fantastically helpful in guiding me to the long overgrown and lost graves of my father and grandparents.
Kevin now in Chester
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Might take a while to scan all these burials as they are scanning the books not the fiche, the fiche is a complete muddle of consecrated and non consecrated burials, I have spent hours in the LMA looking, thanks from me as well for alerting me to the online burials.
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I found a bunch of Scriven ancestors in this data set.
My ggg-grandfather died in Hackney and was buried all the way in Chingford cemetery. He was poor so why he ended up there I have no idea.
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Good for children that were born and died between the censuses. Found a Rondeau already.
Many thanks
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City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966, have been added to ancestry.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61263
Should save Steve a few look ups!
John
Just noticed this...
Is anyone able to do a Look-up for me please for my late Uncle:
Ernest Rencella Wilson, Born Swansea 8/8/1897. Died Stepney, London 5/12/1957.
I've never been able to find where he was Buried.
Cheers, Romilly.
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Name: Ernest Wilson
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1897
Burial Date: 11 Nov 1957
Burial Place: London, England
Reference Number: CTHC/01/118-122
From the image scan it looks like it might have been a shared grave.
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Name: Ernest Wilson
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1897
Burial Date: 11 Nov 1957
Burial Place: London, England
Reference Number: CTHC/01/118-122
I was just about to respond with the same data and then noticed the burial date (11/11/1957) is before the death date (5/12/1957) so this is probably not the right one
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There are certainly a lot of Ballards there, probably some of my ancestors. (I tell friends that I spend a lot of time digging through old cemeteries.)
Martin
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Looking at the scan, the 11.11 has been changed to 11.12 and the dates of burial of the earlier people in that plot start at 28.11 and 5.12 so this Ernest Wilson was buried 12.12.
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See here.
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Many thanks for looking Tsu and drhewitt, - much appreciated.
Tsu, - I dug out Ernest's Death Cert to re-check the date, and he definately Died on the 5th December 1957... He was lodging in a Hostel for single homeless men in Stepney at the time of his death, and so I was expecting him to have had a pauper's funeral. He had fallen on hard times... very sad:-(
Does anyone know, - is there a numbered plan of the Cemetery anywhere, showing where the plots are situated?
Cheers, Romilly.
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So if he were buried December 12th that would be about right, then.
Not sure about the plan. I'm sure there must be, somewhere. I'll have a look.
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https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/green-spaces/cemetery-and-crematorium/visitor-information/Pages/Contact-us.aspx
There's a link here but pauper's graves weren't marked. My grandmother is buried in a pauper's grave here (in 1974) and there's no stone. If it's possible to visit it's worth it because it's quite a nice place.
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https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/green-spaces/cemetery-and-crematorium/visitor-information/Pages/Contact-us.aspx
There's a link here but pauper's graves weren't marked. My grandmother is buried in a pauper's grave here (in 1974) and there's no stone. If it's possible to visit it's worth it because it's quite a nice place.
Many Thanks Tsu. Yes, I wasn't expecting a marked grave, - just thought it might be possible to ascertain roughly which part of the Cemetery by the plot number. And yes, I will try to visit now that I know where he is. (I've researched all of my Father's brothers from scratch, as I had nothing to go on... My Father died when I was 5, and he was 30yrs older than my Mother, and so no one alive to ask about that side of the family).
Romilly.
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Does anyone know, - is there a numbered plan of the Cemetery anywhere, showing where the plots are situated?
Yes, the plans of City & Tower Hamlets Cemetery (also known as Bow Cemetery) are at LMA. They are not online.
Here’s a link to the catalogue listing for them (scroll down to pages 16-17)
https://search.lma.gov.uk/LMA_DOC/CTHC.PDF
Please note, the link given above in reply #16 is not for this cemetery, but for the City of London Cemetery, which is an entirely different burial ground, at Ilford.
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Does anyone know, - is there a numbered plan of the Cemetery anywhere, showing where the plots are situated?
Yes, the plans of City & Tower Hamlets Cemetery (also known as Bow Cemetery) are at LMA. They are not online.
Here’s a link to the catalogue listing for them (scroll down to pages 16-17)
https://search.lma.gov.uk/LMA_DOC/CTHC.PDF
Please note, the link given above in reply #16 is not for this cemetery, but for the City of London Cemetery, which is an entirely different burial ground, at Ilford.
Thanks for explaining that Bookbox. (I was puzzling over that map showing Ilford).
Cheers, Romilly.
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I have found an entry on Ancestry Cemetery Rgeisters for Tower Hamlets for Ellen Cowell, Abode: 17 York Street Stepney, Buried August 16 1866. Age 19 yrs. I cannot see any other info on this record such as a reference to burial number etc. Am I missing something here . Everyone seems to talk about a reference number but I can't see anything but the above. Can someone help please?
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I have found an entry on Ancestry Cemetery Rgeisters for Tower Hamlets for Ellen Cowell, Abode: 17 York Street Stepney, Buried August 16 1866. Age 19 yrs. I cannot see any other info on this record such as a reference to burial number etc. Am I missing something here . Everyone seems to talk about a reference number but I can't see anything but the above. Can someone help please?
You're not missing anything that is online. The other data referred to above, regarding plot numbers etc., can only be accessed at LMA. It is not online.
Please see reply #18 above, which includes a link to the relevant pages of the LMA catalogue showing the material available at the archive.
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Thank you for the advice. I will follow the contact information.
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Name: Ernest Wilson
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1897
Burial Date: 11 Nov 1957
Burial Place: London, England
Reference Number: CTHC/01/118-122
From the image scan it looks like it might have been a shared grave.
Hi Tsu
Very late response from me - just digging up info (excuse pun!) on my GG Grandmother Eliza Russell (nee Hodge). She is buried in CTC under the same ref as above, but on 25 Jan 1901 age 64. Not sure if this indicates it was the SAME grave as Ernest. Or does this ref indicate multiple graves? However, I do know that graves were certainly re-used over the years. But Eliza would not have been buried in a paupers grave as she was quite well off.
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Name: Ernest Wilson
Age: 60
Birth Date: abt 1897
Burial Date: 11 Nov 1957
Burial Place: London, England
Reference Number: CTHC/01/118-122
From the image scan it looks like it might have been a shared grave.
Hi Tsu
Very late response from me - just digging up info (excuse pun!) on my GG Grandmother Eliza Russell (nee Hodge). She is buried in CTC under the same ref as above, but on 25 Jan 1901 age 64. Not sure if this indicates it was the SAME grave as Ernest. Or does this ref indicate multiple graves? However, I do know that graves were certainly re-used over the years. But Eliza would not have been buried in a paupers grave as she was quite well off.
I don't really think it matters where you're buried once you're dead! However, if she's buried in the same grave as my late Uncle, then she's in convivial company... (I'm told that he was a very good story teller:-)
I have actually found other incidences of graves being re-used. For example, my Great Grandmother's 7yr old sister was buried in the same grave as her own Grandmother, in East Grinstead, Sussex.
Romilly.
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Very late response from me - just digging up info (excuse pun!) on my GG Grandmother Eliza Russell (nee Hodge). She is buried in CTC under the same ref as above, but on 25 Jan 1901 age 64. Not sure if this indicates it was the SAME grave as Ernest. Or does this ref indicate multiple graves? However, I do know that graves were certainly re-used over the years. But Eliza would not have been buried in a paupers grave as she was quite well off.
Shared multi-occupancy graves were very common in London cemeteries even a while into the 1900s. They weren't "pauper" graves because the family paid something towards the cost, they just couldn't avoid a private grave. I've a number in shared multi-occupancy graves in the late 1800s and early 1900s, including one of my great grandmothers which we were somewhat surprised about. Obviously the more people buried in the grave. the cheaper it would have been. I suspect its possible "pauper" graves were those with a considerable number of people in but its often difficult to tell from the registers from my experience.