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I have the marriage certificate 10 Dec 1898 All Saints Glossop , Henry Haigh = Mary Ann Riddensdale.
Henry is the s/o Joseph Haigh and my Hannah Wyatt.
He is a widower so married previously.First wife may have been Maria???
I am trying to find details of first marriage and possible daughter Elizabeth Ann aged 14 at 1901 Census.
Henry was a stone mason. Both bride and groom living in Glossop at the time of marriage.
Help appreciated.
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He is a widower so married previously.First wife may have been Maria???
I can't see a death of a Maria Haigh between 1886 and 1898 apart from an 87 year old.
Have you found Henry in earlier censuses?
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Hi - sorry, it is not clear whether you have found Elizabeth Ann aged 14 in 1901, or whether you are looking for her? What was her birthplace?
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OK found them in 1901 in Glossop.
Henry Haigh, Head 40 Stone mason Glossop
Mary Ann do Wife 37 Lancs Royton
Elizabeth Ann do Daur 14 Glossop
Elizabeth Riddensdale Lodger 54 Lancs Oldham
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There is a Henry Haigh with wife Maria in the 1891 census in Glossop, but no Elizabeth Ann with them. Was his second wife a widow, perhaps Elizabeth was her child as I can't see a birth for her under Haigh.
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Yes - looks as if she was! So she must have taken Henry's name when her mother married him.
Births Mar 1887
Riddensdale Elizabeth Ann
Hayfield 7b 814
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Henry Haigh, 21, and "Mariah", 22, were already together as husband and wife in Glossop in 1881.
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Henry Haigh, 21, and "Mariah", 22, were already together as husband and wife in Glossop in 1881.
I can't find a marriage or a death for Maria, can you avm228?
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No, I can't find her marriage or death either. I suppose if she wasn't lawfully married her death registration might just be in her maiden name.
Most of the Glossop-born Marias of the right sort of age in the 1871 census can be accounted for later. Have not yet eliminated Maria Monks b 1857 to Joshua & Sarah, or Maria Ollerenshaw b 1859 to James & Mary.
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1871
Mary A RIDDANSDALE daughter of John and Elizabeth
4093/135/9
Maureen
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I have found these burials at Glossop Cemetery:
These might be who we are looking for:
Glossop 9136 16/06/1897 Maria Haigh 37 yrs RC 126
Glossop 11793 15/12/1906 Henry Haigh 46 RC 126
There are others buried in this grave:
Glossop 9136 16/06/1897 Maria Haigh 37 yrs RC 126
Glossop 11793 15/12/1906 Henry Haigh 46 RC 126
Glossop 19285 23/11/1937 Rebecca Newton 68 RC 126
Glossop 19556 20/02/1939 Mary Ann Hackney 73 RC 126
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Death registration, Jun qtr 1897
Maria Haigh indexed on FreeBMD as 87 - likely to be an error for 37
Hayfield 7b 455
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Thank you so much groom , AVM and Maureenin NYI think you have given me what I need to resolve this.
I was wondering if the age for Maria had been indexed incorrectly.
Much appreciated
Rex
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As long as Henry's mother wasn't also Maria, that death looks good.
I wonder if the Mary Ann Hackney is his second wife who perhaps married again, age is about right?
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Thank you groom. I believe the mother of Henry was Hannah ( Wyatt).
She married Joseph Haigh Oct 1843 Manchester Cathedral.Henry was the last born of seven children.
I am thinking Mary Ann Hackney , may have been Riddensdale/Haigh b1863 buried Haigh grave 1939.
Rex
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Thank you groom. I believe the mother of Henry was Hannah ( Wyatt).
She married Joseph Haigh Oct 1843 Manchester Cathedral.Henry was the last born of seven children.
I am thinking Mary Ann Hackney , may have been Riddensdale/Haigh b1863 buried Haigh grave 1939.
Rex
Mary Ann Haigh married John Hackney September quarter 1909 Glossop.
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Thank you groom.
Rex
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Looks like the ages on the 1881 census may have been "massaged".
Henry Haigh, Age 18
Marriage year 1876
Marriage place Ashton under Lyne
Father's name Joseph Haigh
Spouse's name Maria Monks
Spouse's birth year 1857
Spouse's father's name Joshua Monks
Residence Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Registered Q3 Volume 8D Page 605
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Looks like the ages on the 1881 census may have been "massaged".
Henry Haigh, Age 18
Marriage year 1876
Marriage place Ashton under Lyne
Father's name Joseph Haigh
Spouse's name Maria Monks
Spouse's birth year 1857
Spouse's father's name Joshua Monks
Residence Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Registered Q3 Volume 8D Page 605
Aha! Great find. I didn't look in Lancs for a marriage.
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Nor did I ;D
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Maureen
Where was this Census please:
1871
Mary A RIDDANSDALE daughter of John and Elizabeth
4093/135/9
Rex
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Hello Graham and thank you.
Rex
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1871
Mary A RIDDANSDALE daughter of John and Elizabeth
4093/135/9
Maureen
Hi I believe that the Rebecca Newton who was buried 1937 is the sister of Mary A Riddendale
1871 census:-
John Riddansdale 31 b Oldham
Elizabeth 27 b Oldham
Mary A 8 b Oldham
Emar ( Emma) 5 b Oldham
Rebecca 2 b Glossop
Residing at Ironmonger Street, Oldham
1881 census
Elizabeth REDDEDEL Widow 33 b Oldham
Mary A 17 b Royton
Emma 15 b Royton
Rebecca 12 b Glossop
John W 9 b Oldham
John Haigh Widower 32 b Glossop
Residing at 77, Bernard Street, Glossop
Census Ref RG11/3458/87/20
Possible marriage ( other couple on page I have checked out)
Arthur Newton to Rebecca Riddensdale March qtr 1897 Hayfield 7b 1059
As I could not locate the couple in 1901/1911 found various possible voyages to America, one being:-
Rebeca Newton 62 address in UK 22, Wates? Street, Glossop, Liverpool to Boston 12th June 1931 on Vessel Laconia she was intending to stay in Boston.
Keyboard86
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Thank you Keyboard86.
Much appreciated.
Rex
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Hi again, the 1931 voyage looking from the USA end states she was visiting her sister Mrs Emma Crabtree, 33, Legness Avenue, Pawtucket R.I.
18th May 1899 Rebecca Newton 30 Liverpool to Boston on Vessel Ultonia last residence Glossop to visit her Aunt May Riddensdale
Arthur Newton followed 29th July 1899 Liverpool to Boston on Vessel Ultonia last residence Glossop visiting his wife Rebecca Newton, Fall River, 23, Whittlemore Street
Samuel Crabtree 31 occ Fireman Father Samuel mother Alice Lee
Emma (Riddensdale) Neilan 30 occ Speeder tender ( Second marriage) Father John mother Elizabeth Donovan
16th October 1896 Fall River, Massachusetts
James Naylor 26 occ Machinist ( Second marriage) Father William mother Catherine Deegan
Emma Riddensdale 26 occ Speeder Tender Father John Mother Elizabeth Donovan
1st June 1892 Fall River, Massachusetts
Keyboard86
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Thank you for the comprehensive information keyboard86.
Now much clearer as to what became of the family.
Rex
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Aha! Great find. I didn't look in Lancs for a marriage.
Nor did I ;D
It's surprising how far Glossop folk traveled to get wed :) Plenty in Chapel-en-le-Frith in early days - just outside the Ancient Parish (one of the largest in the country) of course.
I've found a few couples marrying at Manchester Cathedral.
Mottram/Tintwistle is always worth looking at because many Hadfield families found it easier to get there than over the hill to (Old) Glossop. Indeed, the marriage I found the details for may well have been there because the information I quoted only relates to the registration district.
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Thank you Graham
That is what I am starting to notice with my Wyatt family from Glossop.
Perhaps I should check Mottram/Tintwhistle as well as Chapel en le Frith.
Only today I was considering a couple of marriages at Audenshaw.
Thomas Wyatt ,one of my Wyatts from Blackshaw Farm married 25 Dec 1874 at St Stephen Audenshaw , Sarah Jane Stone. At the time of their marriage they were both living at Audenshaw but almost immediately sailed for Australia.
A Sarah Wyatt had also married Herbert Bradwell Sep 1876 at the same church.
Hannah Wyatt also from Glossop married Joseph Haigh Oct 1843 at Manchester Cathedral.
Rex