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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: bitzar on Thursday 04 May 17 03:52 BST (UK)
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Hi team
Are Walton le Dale MI's available?!
I'm looking for anything on Alice COX nee LEWIN buried 1836, husband and Joseph COX buried 1840. I'm particularly interested in Joseph's occupation.
Many thanks
bitzar.
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Hi bitzar
Try here,
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Not sure about MI's for the area, but their burials are here.
Claire
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Burial
22 March 1836
St Leonard Walton-Le Dale
Alice Cox Wife of Josh Cox
Age 65
Abode Preston
Notes:Mother of Mrs Sherlock of this place
Buried by W Ricky Sub Curate
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To avoid buying a certificate you could always try contacting Preston Registrars to ask if they could confirm whether the 1840 Joseph Cox death was an Inland Revenue officer.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k1o/
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Hi Jomot....
Why would you think he was an 'Inland Revenue Officer'?!
bitzar
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Sorry, Inspector of Taxes.
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Jomot...... you're killing me, lol.
Why would you think he was an 'Inspector of Taxes'?!
bitzar.
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I thought that was the connection you were trying to make? Wasn't that the occupation of John Cox's father on his marriage certificate, or have I completely lost the plot?
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Sorry, It's been a long day at work.... I thought you had found it written somewhere.
I'm on the phone to Preston now.
bitzar.
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That answer would be NO Jomot...
I think I will wait for the original copy of the 1844 marriage for a hand writing comparision and check that, and then will order Joseph's 1840 death after that.
bitzar.
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Parish of Syston
Joseph Cox and Alice Lewin of Uppingham in the County of Rutland.
A dau of John Lewin of S
Lic 1792
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Death notices for both Alice and Joseph appeared in the newspapers
On Alice's it's noticed they were of 'Bow Lane' Preston
On Joseph's he was living at 'Oxford Street' Preston.
Maybe a trade directory of the time may have the answer.
Claire
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So Soz heatherjulie and beautiful Claire. I forgot to say thanks for your input before.
heatherjulie... do you think that says Lincolnshire, or ??? There also seems to be more than one Syston. I've been told Leicestershire but now I'm wondering.
beautiful Claire... any suggestions on this trade directory??? Jomot???
bitzar.
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From Mr Google
Wikipedia
Rutland is a landlocked county in the East Midlands of England, bounded to the west and north by Leicestershire, to the northeast by Lincolnshire and the southeast by Northamptonshire.
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Nothing in the 1834 Pigots Directory for him.
On the actual marriage licence it does say 'Joseph Cox Gentleman' - perhaps he was a man of leisure bitzar ?
When he signed the register he signed Joseph Cox Jun(ior) -
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Is there anyone can check that - see if it is Jun ?
Claire
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His 1840 death has Joseph as aged 69 and on marriage he was said to be 21, so both put his birth at 1771. This could therefore be a fit:
11 Nov 1771, Loughborough, Joseph s/o Joseph & Ann Cox
Also at Loughborough, 30 Jul 1773 Ann d/o Joseph & Ann Cox
Marriage at Loughborough 12 Oct 1770, Joseph Cox aged 30 widower & labourer of Loughborough & Ann Simons aged 25 of Loughborough, widow
Burial: 29 Oct 1769 Loughborough, Elisabeth wife of Joseph Cox
Unfortunately there are a few marriages between a Joseph Cox & Elizabeth - none in Leicestershire - so I'm struggling to go further back at the moment.
However, in 1793 letters of administration were granted in respect of Joseph Cox, labourer of Houghton on the Hill, to Joseph Cox of Syston, Schoolmaster "his natural and lawful son".
The document is signed by the son, and the signature is without a doubt the same as the Joseph Cox Jr who married Alice Lewin, declaring himself to be a Gentleman.
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Well done Jomot :) :) :)
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Here are the two signatures:
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Whoa
Good work overnight here people....
So was it Jos COX Jnr who called himself a Gentleman on his marriage to Alice LEWIN, or his father?! Could a 21 y/o be a Gentleman???? with a father who was a Labourer..... maybe things had changed!
I have also been told of a will of John LEWIN of 1796 that names his daughter Alice COX, and grand daughters Ann, and Frances (John Lewin COX not yet born).
BUT.... I still don't know if John Lewin COX and John COX are the same man... :-( ... I so wish, like in Australia, the cert's were emailed immediately upon purchase.
Wonderful work, many thanks.
bitzar.
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Hi bitzar
I had a good look over St Leonards graveyard earlier and I couldn't find a gravestone for Ann & Joseph Cox, most of the early stones are laid flat and unreadable. The graveyard is in quite a poor condition.
The only thing I could find with the name Cox was an old grave (no headstone) with a reasonably modern cube stone with the name Dorothy Cox, could she be connected to Ann & Joseph?
Kind regards
Simon
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Simon
Thanks for going to the trouble, its much appreciated. I think Jos and Alice were in Walton le dale from Leicester because their daughter Ann SHERLOCK was there. I don't believe any other COX relo's were around.
bitzar.
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Hi bitzar
Just been scouting about. Have found an entry in the House of Commons papers from his bankruptcy - described as Gentleman ( included a snippet)
There are quite a few references to a Joseph Cox in the Revenues and Customs - one in Devon in the dockyard as a boatman. Another in Woolwich Dockyard listed as a 'master brickmaker' - which may be the same man.
There is a record called Account of Retired Allowances or Superannuations in Public Offices, 1842, in the section regarding deceased employee's there is a record for a Joseph Cox ~ a measurer. ( included)
claire
Again, not sure if your man but it's the closest I can find.
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Claire
The first attachment is defo him because of this link from Jomot from another thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k1i/
What do you think a 'measurer' would be?!
bitzar.
EDIT: There is an 1837 will for a Joseph COX, Navy Ship Yard Measurer of Stoke Damerel, Devon. My Joseph died 1840.
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Hi bitzar
Wonder if it's something to do with this
http://www.sliderules.info/collection/specialised/9928-df.htm
I'll go back on the site - looks like the second snip could possibly be the man in Devon. Although the book I was looking at suggested it was someone who had died closer to the date (1842) given on the page.
Claire