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In the 1881 census James Archer age 10 is living with his parents Walter and Ellen and siblings RG11 1748 9 11 by the 1901 census he is again with Walter and Ellen but now his name is James T Pearcey would anyone know why James would change his surname.
Buzz
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Hi , was his mother's maiden name Pearcey ? Maybe Walter wasn't his real father and Mr Pearcey was.
There could be a few reasons really.
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His parent married in 1875, after he was born, so using his birth name.
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His birth was registered as Pearcey, mother's maiden name Cornwall, so she appears to have been married previously.
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What about Alice Archer born 1868 did she belong to Ellen as well?
Walter is too young to be her father. I amend that very young if he was her father.
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His parent married in 1875, after he was born, so using his birth name.
On marriage entry she is Ellen Pearcey spinster, father Thomas Pearcey... ???
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What about Alice Archer born 1868 did she belong to Ellen as well?
Well spotted
PEARCEY, ALICE LOUISA CORNWELL
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 126
BUT these are probably from this marriage
Marriages Jun 1867
CORNWELL Ellen Romford 4a 115
PEARCEY James Romford 4a 115
Warren Joseph Romford 4a 115
Woolmer Elizabeth Romford 4a 115
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Yes Josey just about to post that when she marries Walter her father is Pearcey not Cornwell.
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Alice was also registered as Pearcey, same mother.
I haven't found a Cornwall Pearc/ey marriage yet.
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I have to give up now, I have to go out.
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Marriage Jun 1867 Romford has Ellen Cornwell James Pearcey Joseph Warren Elizabeth Woolmer
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Perhaps Ellen Pearcey was James Pearcey's sister & took in his children ???
Can you see James' father, Milliepede?
Come back later, Jebber!!
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Just looking at 1871
James Pearcey 31
Ellen 28
Alice 3
James 1
Thomas Cornall 73 father in law
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James son of Daniel maybe :-\
There's a death in Jun 1872 for a James Pearcey age 32 - age would fit with 31 on 1871 census.
District St Geo H Sq
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Just looking at 1871
Thomas Cornall 73 father in law
Then maybe Thomas' name as Pearcey as Ellen's father on the marriage entry is a mistake - the registrar/vicar assumed that if Ellen had said she was a spinster....would be good to know both fathers' names on the 1867 marriage.
James son of Daniel maybe :-\
ADDED: Yes, several ancestry trees [FWIW] have James son of Daniel & Maria [Gardner] & Ellen daughter of Thomas Cornell & Mary Overall. Ellen's birth if the trees are coorrect as Cornell MMN Gardener
CORNELL, ELLEN GARDENER
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in THE ROMFORD UNION Volume 12 Page 242
They also have that 1872 ref as James' death.
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Then maybe Thomas' name as Pearcey as Ellen's father on the marriage entry is a mistake - the registrar/vicar assumed that if Ellen had said she was a spinster....would be good to know both fathers' names on the 1867 marriage.
Yes maybe but I wonder why she claimed to be a spinster especially when she already had two children in tow :-\
Still mistakes did happen.
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Marriage 23 June 1867, SS Peter & Paul, Dagenham.
Fathers are recorded as Daniel Pearcey and Thomas Cornwell
Mark
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There is a marriage for a Thomas Cornwell and Ann Gardner at St Margaret, Barking on 10.10.1831.
I can see no birth for an Ellen Cornwell but there is an Ellen Cornhill, baptised SS Peter & Paul, Dagenham 29.01.1843.
Mark
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OK good to have the fathers' names in 1867, Mark. Do you not think the 1843 birth in reply #13 is the right one?
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Josey
It is the only 1 I could find, and ties in with parents' names and parish.
Some of the trees on Ancestry relating to this are hilarious.
Mark
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James Thomas Pearcey was baptised Dagenham on 26.02.1871.
James Pearcey Snr was buried Dagenham on 05.05 1872, aged 32.
Mark
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Oh so certainly looks like Dagenham was their area - good finds.
I too don't take ancestry trees too seriously!!
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Has anyone come up with Ellen in the 1841 and 1851 census?
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Thank you all for your replies.
Could someone answer one more question, josey states that Ellen Cornell born 1843 parents were Thomas Cornell and Mary Overall, but then olleym states that Thomas Cornwell married Ann Gardner, is the implication that Thomas married Ann then married Mary or are these two different Thomas's also was Ann related to Daniel's wife Maria both Gardner's.
There is more than one question there.
I must look at the trees on Ancestry.
Buzz
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I can't answer your question because I have not followed those comments up. Looking a the trees on Ancestry, The COOK tree looks as if it may be worth following up, but you would need to verify everything yourself, don't rely on the trees on Ancestry.
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I would agree entirely with Jebber
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/64940087/person/290015774411/facts This tree will answer all of your queries Buzz.
Looking up trees on Ellen will only confuse matters; one has at least 7 alternative births and none of then cite sources other than other trees on Ancestry.
The Thomas Cornell and Mary Overall references as Ellen's parents are incorrect.
Mark
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Could someone answer one more question, josey states that Ellen Cornell born 1843 parents were Thomas Cornell and Mary Overall, but then olleym states that Thomas Cornwell married Ann Gardner,
Just to say - I didn't state that as fact - I quoted an ancestry tree 'for what it's worth' :-\; certainly no research on my part.
Josey
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Sorry josey I interpreted your post wrongly.
Buzz