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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: kiwi25 on Saturday 06 May 17 09:56 BST (UK)
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Only information we have is on adoption papers for my mother (discovered when her adoptive parents died) says "Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England. Have ordered her birth certificate and read the entry of her birth in a handwritten register. Her father was Henry (bricklayer) and her mother was Catherine (née Batt). Siblings were Frederick, Albert, Kate.
Would really appreciate help regarding any marriages, births, deaths of Caroline's siblings.
My mother (Caroline's daughter) was born in a home for unmarried mothers in Wellington, New Zealand) on 1st May 1912
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Did your grandmother know she was adopted?
When did the adoptive parents die?. And during their lifetime someone was researching the origins of their adopted daughter...your mother?. Was it the parents...do you recognise the handwriting?
Might suggest if the family found was the right Caroline RICHARDSON, or one of several considered.
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Hi kiwi25
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Are you new to family history?
if so we can give you pointers as to which sites to use for more information such as www.freebmd.org.uk for birth, marriage and death index entries.
www.familysearch.org is good but coverage is worlwide so finding entries might be tricky.
Also there are www.findmypast.co.uk and www.ancestry.co.uk
As your grandmother was born c1885 you should be able to find her in the 1891 census with her parents.
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For others watching, is the the birth entry you are waiting for
found on www.freebmd.org.uk and mothers surname confirmed by searching at www.gro.gov.uk
RICHARDSON, CAROLINE LOUISA mothers maiden surname BATTS
GRO Reference: 1886 Sept Quarter in STEYNING registration district Volume 02B Page 297
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Marriage Henry Richardson
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1860
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1879
Hove,Sussex,England
Father: Henry Richardson
Spouse: Catherine Batts
FHL Film Number: 1067213
There are considerably more children than the three others stated
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Hello,
Is this the family you found.
1891 822/82/2
Henry Richardson 31 yrs
Catherine Richardson 35 yrs
George Richardson 14 yrs
Kate Richardson 9 yrs
Henry Richardson 7 yrs
Caroline Richardson 4 yrs b West Brighton, Sussex
Albert Richardson 2 yrs
As has been said, how sure are you that the details you give are your Caroline?
Regards
Heywood
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It looks as though Catherine Richardson died in 1899 (Steyning) aged 46, and Henry remarried in Brighton Dec qtr 1900 to Matilda Divall.
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Kiwi25 posted and then went offline.
Might be better to wait for their return before we post anything else
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I'm just wondering why, if Caroline was born the 3rd child and her mother didn't die until she was 12, why she was adopted? Could she have been sent to NZ from a Children's Home, and if so were her siblings with her? Might be worth checking passenger lists.
Kiwi25 posted and then went offline.
If she's in NZ, she probably went to bed. ;D ;D
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I think it's Caroline's daughter born in NZ in 1912 who was adopted, not Caroline herself.
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Did your grandmother know she was adopted?
When did the adoptive parents die?. And during their lifetime someone was researching the origins of their adopted daughter...your mother?. Was it the parents...do you recognise the handwriting?
Might suggest if the family found was the right Caroline RICHARDSON, or one of several considered.
No, she got quite a shock when she found the documents
Adoptive parents died in the 1960's
No one has attempted a search before this
Both our research and the man in the Brighton records office came up with this family. A number of my friends have also researched, and always come up with this family.
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I think it's Caroline's daughter born in NZ in 1912 who was adopted, not Caroline herself.
Yes, that is correct
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Hi kiwi25
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
Are you new to family history?
if so we can give you pointers as to which sites to use for more information such as www.freebmd.org.uk for birth, marriage and death index entries.
www.familysearch.org is good but coverage is worlwide so finding entries might be tricky.
Also there are www.findmypast.co.uk and www.ancestry.co.uk
As your grandmother was born c1885 you should be able to find her in the 1891 census with her parents.
Yes I am new to roots hat
Have checked the 1891 census and found this family, with more siblings than I spoke of above
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Marriage Henry Richardson
Age: 19
Birth Date: 1860
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1879
Hove,Sussex,England
Father: Henry Richardson
Spouse: Catherine Batts
FHL Film Number: 1067213
Yes, this the entry we found - and yes, there were more children
There are considerably more children than the three others stated
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I can see that it is possible to find this family of Henry and Catherine RICHARDSON, but who was doing the research fifty years ago, and what information did they start with to locate that family.....and did the researcher determine that it was the correct family.
I cannot see the 1912 birth on BDM......RICHARDSON birth. Was Caroline a married woman or single.
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I am confused. Can you please clarify what notes were with the adoption papers, all made before the adoptive parents died in the 1960s
Option #1
"Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England. Have ordered her birth certificate and read the entry of her birth in a handwritten register. Her father was Henry (bricklayer) and her mother was Catherine (née Batt). Siblings were Frederick, Albert, Kate.
I am reading this to mean all the above was recorded before the parents died ie. someone was researching Caroline.
Option #2
"Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England.
This was recorded before the parents died.
And subsequently, as part of your research, you -
Have ordered her birth certificate and read the entry of her birth in a handwritten register. Her father was Henry (bricklayer) and her mother was Catherine (née Batt). Siblings were Frederick, Albert, Kate.
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I am confused. Can you please clarify what notes were with the adoption papers, all made before the adoptive parents died in the 1960s
B
Option #1
"Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England. Have ordered her birth certificate and read the entry of her birth in a handwritten register. Her father was Henry (bricklayer) and her mother was Catherine (née Batt). Siblings were Frederick, Albert, Kate.
I am reading this to mean all the above was recorded before the parents died ie. someone was researching Caroline.
Option #2
"Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England.
This was recorded before the parents died.
And subsequently, as part of your research, you -
Have ordered her birth certificate and read the entry of her birth in a handwritten register. Her father was Henry (bricklayer) and her mother was Catherine (née Batt). Siblings were Frederick, Albert, Kate.
Option 2 is correct. The only information we have is on the bottom of the adoption document - Mother Caroline Richardson aged 27, born Brighton england
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It looks as though Catherine Richardson died in 1899 (Steyning) aged 46, and Henry remarried in Brighton Dec qtr 1900 to Matilda Divall.
One interesting thing, after Henry re-married, Caroline (then aged15) and her brother Frederick appear to be living with their paternal uncle Frederick according to the 1901 census. But Henry (her father) was still alive.
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One interesting thing, after Henry re-married, Caroline (then aged15) and her brother Frederick appear to be living with their paternal uncle Frederick according to the 1901 census. But Henry (her father) was still alive.
A search of the free index to the 1911 census reveals that this Caroline still appears to be living with Frederick in 1911.
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They weren't necessarily living with him, they may have just been visiting on census night.
I think we need to clarify how the "Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England" is written on the adoption papers. Is it a part of the original document or has somebody written it there later on?
Can you transcribe the document for us, leaving out any names that you don't want to share.
Debra :)
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RICHARDSON, CAROLINE LOUISA mothers maiden surname BATTS
GRO Reference: 1886 Sept Quarter in STEYNING registration district Volume 02B Page 297
A Caroline L. Richardson married either William Brown or George Whitten in 3q 1911, Brighton 2b 548 :-\
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If this is the correct Caroline then she must have travelled to NZ sometime between the 1911 census date and the birth of her daughter there in 1912.
Isobel
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RICHARDSON, CAROLINE LOUISA mothers maiden surname BATTS
GRO Reference: 1886 Sept Quarter in STEYNING registration district Volume 02B Page 297
A Caroline L. Richardson married either William Brown or George Whitten in 3q 1911, Brighton 2b 548 :-\
Death, Brighton 1947, Caroline Louise Brown aged 61 (i.e. born c. 1886) :-\
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A search of the free index to the 1911 census reveals that this Caroline still appears to be living with Frederick in 1911.
I can't see this, can someone give a reference?
Debra :)
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A search of the free index to the 1911 census reveals that this Caroline still appears to be living with Frederick in 1911.
I can't see this, can someone give a reference?
Sorry can't give a reference, as we aren't allowed to do 1911 look-ups.
I used the free index search for a Caroline Richardson (using name variants) born 1886 +/- 2 years in Sussex. This produced a 'Carloin' Richardson aged 23. Further searching on the free index reveals that in the same household were Frederick Richardson aged 56 and 'Carloin' Richardson aged 57. Also in the household is Dolly Boneface aged 20, who was in the household in 1901. Further searching reveals that Frederick was a bricklayer.
I don't have much doubt that this is the same household as in 1901.
One interesting thing, after Henry re-married, Caroline (then aged15) and her brother Frederick appear to be living with their paternal uncle Frederick according to the 1901 census. But Henry (her father) was still alive.
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Would it be worth eliminating:
1885/17710 Caroline Richardson mother Emily, father NR
This is a New Zealand Birth, and there is a Brighton in New Zealand (near Dunedin).
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Would it be worth eliminating:
1885/17710 Caroline Richardson mother Emily, father NR
This is a New Zealand Birth, and there is a Brighton in New Zealand (near Dunedin).
Sorry don’t have access to check these records out - could this be the same Caroline as above
New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1853 - 1981
Caroline Richardson
Res. 1905-1906 - Dunedin South, Otago
Caroline Richardson
Res. 1911 - Dunedin West, Otago
RICHARDSON, CAROLINE LOUISA mothers maiden surname BATTS
GRO Reference: 1886 Sept Quarter in STEYNING registration district Volume 02B Page 297
A Caroline L. Richardson married either William Brown or George Whitten in 3q 1911, Brighton 2b 548 :-\
Death, Brighton 1947, Caroline Louise Brown aged 61 (i.e. born c. 1886) :-\
From the free search 1939 register there is a Caroline & William BROWN living
in Brighton C.B., Sussex, England but no middle name and her birth year is a little later :-\
Caroline Brown 1888
William Brown is also on this record
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There is a Caroline Emma Richardson born 1889 Eastbourne Sussex she's with her siblings and
parents William John & Clara (nee EAGER) on 1891/1901 census
This Caroline E Richardson appears to have married Sep 1915 Eastbourne Walter G Colbran.
He died 1952 and his widow is named as Caroline Emma Colbran, she appears to have died 1975 age 85
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Would it be worth eliminating:
1885/17710 Caroline Richardson mother Emily, father NR
This is a New Zealand Birth, and there is a Brighton in New Zealand (near Dunedin).s
yes, definitely eliminate this one
Adoption document clearly said Caroline Richardson aged 27 born in Brighton England
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Hello,
Is this the family you found.
1891 822/82/2
Henry Richardson 31 yrs
Catherine Richardson 35 yrs
George Richardson 14 yrs
Kate Richardson 9 yrs
Henry Richardson 7 yrs
Caroline Richardson 4 yrs b West Brighton, Sussex
Albert Richardson 2 yrs
As has been said, how sure are you that the details you give are your Caroline?
Regards
Heywood
yes, this is the one we found. The man at the Brighton council records also found this one,and being the only one that fitted the dates and information given
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I'm just wondering why, if Caroline was born the 3rd child and her mother didn't die until she was 12, why she was adopted? Could she have been sent to NZ from a Children's Home, and if so were her siblings with her? Might be worth checking passenger lists.
Kiwi25 posted and then went offline.
If she's in NZ, she probably went to bed. ;D ;D
it wasn't Caroline who was adopted. Caroline was my mother's mother. Caroline had my mother at Alexandra Home for unmarried mothers in Wellington, New Zealand, on 12th May 1912
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seems a huge coincidence that there was a Caroline Richardson birth in NZ in 1885. Given that Caroline Louisa born 1886, doesn't seem to have left UK, I think this other one merits further investigation.
Isobel
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Only information we have is on adoption papers for my mother (discovered when her adoptive parents died) says "Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England. Have ordered her birth certificate and read the entry of her birth in a handwritten register. Her father was Henry (bricklayer) and her mother was Catherine (née Batt). Siblings were Frederick, Albert, Kate.
Would really appreciate help regarding any marriages, births, deaths of Caroline's siblings.
My mother (Caroline's daughter) was born in a home for unmarried mothers in Wellington, New Zealand) on 1st May 1912
I have read this over & over as well as reading all replies & I'm still confused!
I understand from the wording that your mother was adopted.
Her 'biological' mother (who was not adopted) was Caroline Richardson daughter of Henry Richardson & Catherine Batt.
If this is correct, is it not true that you are actually researching the 'biological' family of your mother rather than the biological family of your g/mother?
The way it's worded is as though your g/mother was adopted as well as your mother!
Can you please clarify it's the family/ancestors of Caroline Richardson, parents Henry & Catherine Batt you want to trace ???
Annie
Added, Was Caroline Richardson 27 yrs old in 1912 when your mother was adopted & how old was your mother when she was adopted?
If your mother was adopted very soon after birth this would mean her mother Caroline was born c1885 (is this correct)?
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Can you give more detail about the information on the adoptation file . Does the " Caroline 27 born Brighton "
look to be contemporary with the original file...added later...same handwriting.......witten in ink, pencil, ballpoint pen...
Can you give all the name, date, address details on the adoption file, without identifying your family.
What is the name of the hospital where your mother was born. Wellington hospital for unmarried mothers is not finding anything on an internet search. If it was a hospital for poor woman, but not exclusively unmarried women, Caroline might be a married woman....living in defacto relationship etc. Age 27 is rather older than average for first birth in 1912 so possibly earlier births for Caroline. What age was baby at adoption.
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This is my understanding -
Caroline had a daughter in 1912 in Wellington.
Daughter was adopted
Adoption document includes the age and birthplace detail about Caroline.
Using this detail, the family of Henry Richardson has be identified to be her family, and is now being researched.
I am asking for more information about the adoption document, and specifically the detail about the Brighton, England, birthplace, because the origins of this detail are important.
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seems a huge coincidence that there was a Caroline Richardson birth in NZ in 1885. Given that Caroline Louisa born 1886, doesn't seem to have left UK, I think this other one merits further investigation.
Isobel
I think this would be worth checking - it might have been assumed that it was Brighton UK.
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What is the name of the hospital where your mother was born. Wellington hospital for unmarried mothers is not finding anything on an internet search. If it was a hospital for poor woman, but not exclusively unmarried women, Caroline might be a married woman....living in defacto relationship etc. Age 27 is rather older than average for first birth in 1912 so possibly earlier births for Caroline. What age was baby at adoption.
See post 29 - Alexandra Hospital for unmarried mothers.
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I can find newspaper mention of Alexandra Home.
Reading several articles, it seems to have cared for, among others, births to unmarried women.
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What is the name of the hospital where your mother was born. Wellington hospital for unmarried mothers is not finding anything on an internet search. If it was a hospital for poor woman, but not exclusively unmarried women, Caroline might be a married woman....living in defacto relationship etc. Age 27 is rather older than average for first birth in 1912 so possibly earlier births for Caroline. What age was baby at adoption.
See post 29 - Alexandra Hospital for unmarried mothers.
Adoption papers 5th June. Mother born 12 the May. So mum was only about 3 weeks old at time of adoption
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kiwi25 - do you have a copy of your mother's original birth printout or certificate?
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seems a huge coincidence that there was a Caroline Richardson birth in NZ in 1885. Given that Caroline Louisa born 1886, doesn't seem to have left UK, I think this other one merits further investigation.
Isobel
I think this would be worth checking - it might have been assumed that it was Brighton UK.
Yep,
Agree with both & more so the fact that there's no middle name (Louisa) for Caroline on the Adoption ???
Annie
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Do you have the adoption document?. If you do not have this document, you need to get a copy so that you can respond to the questions being asked here.
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Her 'biological' mother (who was not adopted) was Caroline Richardson daughter of Henry Richardson & Catherine Batt.
This hasn't been proved. Caroline, daughter of Henry and Catherine, 'fits' the information given but no more than that.
Henry and Catherine's daughter Caroline (Louise) was still in Brighton at the time of the 1911 census. There is a marriage of a Caroline Louise Richardson to William Brown in Brighton in the 3rd quarter of 1911. You would have to check this marriage to find out if it is the same person.
Looking at births in Brighton, there is an Ellen Brown born 4th quarter 1911, mother's maiden name Richardson.
I am very happy to be proved wrong, but my 'gut' feeling is that this is not 'your' Caroline :-\
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Only information we have is on adoption papers for my mother (discovered when her adoptive parents died) says "Caroline Richardson, 27, born in Brighton, England. Have ordered her birth certificate and read the entry of her birth in a handwritten register. Her father was Henry (bricklayer) and her mother was Catherine (née Batt). Siblings were Frederick, Albert, Kate.
Would really appreciate help regarding any marriages, births, deaths of Caroline's siblings.
My mother (Caroline's daughter) was born in a home for unmarried mothers in Wellington, New Zealand) on 1st May 1912
I have read this over & over as well as reading all replies & I'm still confused!
I understand from the wording that your mother was adopted.
Her 'biological' mother (who was not adopted) was Caroline Richardson daughter of Henry Richardson & Catherine Batt.
If this is correct, is it not true that you are actually researching the 'biological' family of your mother rather than the biological family of your g/mother?
The way it's worded is as though your g/mother was adopted as well as your mother!
Can you please clarify it's the family/ancestors of Caroline Richardson, parents Henry & Catherine Batt you want to trace ???
Annie
I would like to find any descendants and present related family members of Caroline. The adoption document said she was 27 at the time of the adoption.
My mother was 3 weeks old when she was adopted according to the adoption papers
Added, Was Caroline Richardson 27 yrs old in 1912 when your mother was adopted & how old was your mother when she was adopted?
If your mother was adopted very soon after birth this would mean her mother Caroline was born c1885 (is this correct)?
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As an added incentive to research the 1885 birth of Caroline Richardson born in New Zealand, there was at the time living in New Zealand between Hawkes Bay in 1875 and New Plymouth in 1918 one George Stewart Hill, whose mother Louisa Caroline Hill nee Richardson had lived in New Zealand for a few years after 1875.
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I have been reading this from thee start and Kiwi although the Caroline Richardson born in Brighton Sussex does at first sight does appear to fit then the later information that has been found really suggests it wasn't her.
I think you have to stand back and think what first person evidence do you have?
My guess is that Caroline herself didn't write that note and therefore a misunderstanding could very easily occurred when the note was written.
Does it appear that the note was written at the same time as the rest of the record or could it have been added later?
I think you are putting to much emphasis on that note without looking at possible evidence.
Thee New Zealand born Caroline is a much more obvious contender and I think you need to concentrate on what you can find out about her.
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I have been reading this from thee start and Kiwi although the Caroline Richardson born in Brighton Sussex does at first sight does appear to fit then the later information that has been found really suggests it wasn't her.
I think you have to stand back and think what first person evidence do you have?
My guess is that Caroline herself didn't write that note and therefore a misunderstanding could very easily occurred when the note was written.
Does it appear that the note was written at the same time as the rest of the record or could it have been added later?
I think you are putting to much emphasis on that note without looking at possible evidence.
Thee New Zealand born Caroline is a much more obvious contender and I think you need to concentrate on what you can find out about her.
There is no note, written by Caroline or anyone else! The only documents we have are the formal, legal adoption papers, numbered, registered and signed by the people involved at the time.
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So included in the document is a statement that the birth mother was Caroline Richardson who was born in Brighton England?
It still cannot be taken as the truth.
I know someone who was adopted and who's birth mother said in the documents she only had a fleeting affair with a soldier from another country when in fact she was and had been for a long period in time cohabiting with the English father.
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There is no note, written by Caroline or anyone else! The only documents we have are the formal, legal adoption papers, numbered, registered and signed by the people involved at the time.
Do these papers include her original birth certificate?
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"..The only documents we have are the formal, legal adoption papers, numbered, registered and signed by the people involved at the time."
Can you scan the pages and post them here please.
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Sorry don’t have access to check these records out - could this be the same Caroline born 1885 NZ
New Zealand Electoral Rolls 1853 - 1981
Caroline Richardson
Res. 1905-1906 - Dunedin South, Otago
Caroline Richardson
Res. 1911 - Dunedin West, Otago
seems a huge coincidence that there was a Caroline Richardson birth in NZ in 1885.
Given that Caroline Louisa born 1886, doesn't seem to have left UK,
I think this other one merits further investigation.
Would it be worth eliminating:
1885/17710 Caroline Richardson mother Emily, father NR
This is a New Zealand Birth, and there is a Brighton in New Zealand (near Dunedin).s
yes, definitely eliminate this one
Adoption document clearly said Caroline Richardson aged 27 born in Brighton England
I think I agree with Isobelw perhaps investigating further the Caroline Richardson born 1885 NZ - even if it's just to eliminate her, even though adoption record states born England
Have you checked passenger lists to confirm if any persons named Caroline Richardson born in England arrived in NZ before 1912?
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Kiwi25, your mother's birth would have been registered as Caroline's daughter and then when she was adopted she would be registered again as the daughter of her adoptive parents.
Do you have a copy of the original registration? It would be useful to know who registered your mother's birth and also the details about Caroline.
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Just to let everyone know, I've had a pm from kiwi25, she is grateful for the help but as a newbie to this forum finding her experience here a bit overwhelming with so much information going backwards and forwards.
She is away from home just now and doesn't have access to the original documents.
When kiwi does return, a full transcription will suffice (which she has already posted), there is no need for her to post images of the full details from her family's papers.
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Just to let everyone know, I've had a pm from kiwi25, she is grateful for the help but as a newbie to this forum finding her experience here a bit overwhelming with so much information going backwards and forwards.
Thank you Dawn. It's very easy for those of us who are used to the workings of Rootschat to fire off information and questions and we can forget how overwhelming this can be to a newcomer.
Kiwi, yesterday I spent quite a lot of time looking at Caroline Louisa Richardson born 1886, who we now know was still in Brighton in 1911 (see reply #24)
From what I found I am pretty convinced that she remained in England after 1911 and that, sadly, she is not the person for whom you are searching.
I am quite happy to go into more detail if you wish.
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Thank you Dawn. I agree, Jen, it is very confusing to a new comer. Perhaps we need to slow down and give kiwi25 time to digest what we've found and decide what is and what isn't relevant
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While we're waiting for kiwi to return, I've been having a think.
Could Caroline Richardson be a married name? 27 seems a bit too old to be single at that time :-\
If she was married, maybe her husband wasn't the father :-\
Are there any Richardson's born 1884-1886 on incoming NZ passenger lists upto 1912?
I don't know how civil registration works in NZ. Would there be a birth registration and adoption registration in the same index. In England & Wales there is a separate adoiption index after 1927
How do the folio numbers on the NZ births records on Ancestry tie up with the official NZ bmd site reference numbers?
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While we're waiting for kiwi to return, I've been having a think.
27 seems a bit too old to be single at that time :-\
I too have been having a 'think'.....
This is where seeing that part of the doc. could shine a light?
Is the '7' actually a '7' or is it an old fashioned '1' ?
I also wonder if the person on the 1911 census named Dolly Boneface aged 20 (at that point in time) may have been the mother but used Caroline's details (name) as a cover-up?
Bearing in mind that Caroline remained in England.
May be worth looking for 'Boneface' on a passenger list?
Maybe my mind is running a bit wild now ??? ;D
Annie
Edit as Dolly Boneface was 20 yrs old in 1901 not 1911
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I don't know how civil registration works in NZ. Would there be a birth registration and adoption registration in the same index. In England & Wales there is a separate adoiption index after 1927
Not for that period.
The original birth certificates are redacted for I think 120 years, or perhaps 125 years. Family members can apply for them. On the index that you can access via the NZ BDM site you will only see the latest registration - so in the case of Kiwi25's mother you would only see the registration from after the adoption which superceded the previous one. This would explain why wivenhoe couldn't see it.
One of my ancestors was registered in NZ as her mother's daughter (no father named) and then soon after as her grandparents' daughter. I have seen both records, but the only one on BDM is the latter one (and that's the one on the Ancestry index). It certainly fools the name grabbers doing their trees (and then to cap it off there was a transcription error with the surname of the man she married, so when I saw that in trees I knew for sure that they didn't know us from Adam)
There is a folio/fiche though available (but not online for the nosey parkers) which just has birthname, region and year (maybe the quarter) that can provide clues.
New Zealand laws must differ considerably from some other jurisdictions. One of my relatives and his wife adopted a boy in Scotland. His biological sister found out in her twenties that she had a brother and was able to narrow down who it could be by going through folios at an office somewhere. She was fortunate in that his adoptive parents had an uncommon surname. I received an e-mail at work in the late 1990s from someone looking for family of so-and-so. It didn't say why, but I had a hunch why. They were able to get in touch.
I met my distant cousin recently. He was very keen to meet me because I was the only person who replied to her e-mail. Most of the people she contacted would not have been from the right family, but none of them replied to say "sorry - we don't have anyone in this family by that name".
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I too have been having a 'think'.....
This is where seeing that part of the doc. could shine a light?
Is the '7' actually a '7' or is it an old fashioned '1' ?
I also wonder if the person on the 1911 census named Dolly Boneface aged 20 (at that point in time) may have been the mother but used Caroline's details (name) as a cover-up?
Bearing in mind that Caroline remained in England.
May be worth looking for 'Boneface' on a passenger list?
Maybe my mind is running a bit wild now ??? ;D
Annie
Eh?
Are you suggesting a Dolly Boneface was on the 1911 census in England and the following year was in NZ using someone else's details when she gave her daughter up for adoption?
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Sorry...... :-[
Have edited Reply #55
I should have read Reply #24 properly ::)
Annie
Added, Yes Hurworth, that was my thought until I reread #24 :)