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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: valerie1 on Saturday 06 May 17 15:57 BST (UK)
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Margaret Davies
Abergele 1885
You all know her, why can't I find her is it me.
If I come to Abergele where should I go to track her
Should I give up ?
I have made friends with a lady in the the Registras Office she had looked through every Margaret Davies with no luck ( as I have her Fathers name )
I'm back to ask your expert opinion, then I will file her if you think I have Exhausted all options exhausted you on this forum with my constant "looking for Margaret Davies " lol
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Do you know her mother's maiden name?
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I should explain it's her marriage I'm looking for with no grooms name.
Iv posted a millon times had loads of fantastic help I have her parents I have her BC i have her siblings can't find her marriage.
:)
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If you cannot find it after exhausting lots of possibilities..maybe they did not marry :-X
Cas
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Have you looked under the Registration District of St Asaph ?
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Did she marry? When and where do you last have her?
If any of your previous threads have vital information please could you link and also perhaps a quick summary of what you have already?
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Was 1885 when she was born or married?
Jennifer
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Thanks everyone I don't want too waste people time too much has proved elusive , Born 25th of November 1885 I have are in the 1891 census because she's with her family in 1901 and 1911 I cannot be 100% it's her as the person is listed as a servant which she would've been
Reason I'm convinced she marriage was I contacted my mothers cousin (sadly deceased)
He wrote in a letter to me from Australia in which he stated " Margaret my mothers eldest sister (Maggie) married and went to Patagonia I believe she had two
sons"of course he only heard this from his mother so I guess it may be the case she didn't marry.
I have looked at passenger lists but without a married name that's impossible and I have kept an eye out for a Margaret Davies but that hasn't shown up.
Thanks for your replies it's well documented on here my journey of looking for her and in google lol
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What were her parents names ?
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Here's one of Valerie's previous threads:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711976.0
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Daniel and Emma I have them in census I have there BC MC DC I have Margaret's BC I have her siblings BC some of there MC and some of there DC.
Iv tried putting just Margaret and her place of Birth and age and in 1911 a Margaret Leivison popped up in Derbyshire she was from Abergele age right but she had a lot of children must have married young but could not find a MC to rule it in or out. Husband not on census
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As you have said she is with her parents 1891 at Peel Street.
I would say a good bet for 1901 is Market Vaults, Abergele a servant age 15 .
As you know we can't put information from the 1911 Census on here but it looks like she's still in Abergele as a servant age 25 and she is single, that narrows the marriage search down a bit. There are so many Margaret Davies marriages I can see your predicament. The only thing I can suggest is if you can't go yourself to pay the Archive for a marriage search in the St Asaph/Abergele Registers, you have her father's name Daniel so that should narrow it down a bit more ???
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EM - see my previous link. Val found this 2 years ago, I think :)
Help and advice please before I send for this marraige certificate, can anyone look at the info to see if I'm making a blunder.
Found Maggie Davies living in Peel street Abergele 1911 census which is where she came from, married to Robert Thomas Davies her age is two years out but there seems to be some crossing out in the Margin
She has three children, it states marraige 1904 the only marraige I can find us for a Margaret Ann in 1904 in Wrexham.
Trying not to get to excited
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Thank you Ellenmia and Hello Gadget, Iv always thought this was her in the census as Iv said never can be 100% sure.
The lady in the registry office has Conwy in her emails so I think that covers St Asaph I'm not completely sure and wonder if I should look Flintshire ?
I also thought about the war and wondered if that would narrow the dates for marriage, the other thing that bothers me the last big migration to Patagonia was 1911 that put the 1911 census in doubt
I think I have done everything possible really, I'd come to Abergele but where would I start ?
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The other problem is Margret And her sisters Grace and Hannah BC they had no middle name but Grace and Hannah MC they do one is Parry there mothers family name and Hannah is Eunice so I don't think baptismal names so if Margaret did that there are lots more Margaret Davies to choose from lol
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Just thinking that, if she didn't go to Patagonia or came back, she might just be on the 1939 register. Do you have her full date of birth so that you can search on it?
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Don't know whether you followed up from the 1911 that you found back in 2015, but using the new GRO site which gives mother's maiden names gives this for one of the children
DAVIES, ROSE ANN mother's maiden name DAVIES
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter
ST ASAPH
Volume 11B Page 309
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From Freebmd
Marriages Mar 1904
Davies Margaret Ann
Davies Robert Thomas
St. Asaph 11b 443
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Gadget I'm going to try that nowthe 1939 let's hope she did not marry.
Groom I don't think I followed up was fixated in the info from my second cousin I. Australia I will look at this.
I have not sent for that ref 11B 443 I have sent for 21 lol
None her
Thanks I will look now
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Could not find her in 1939, the Rose Ann lead mother Maggie recorded born 1883 a little bit too early for my Margaret born 25/11/1885.
Thank you
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From Freebmd
Marriages Mar 1904
Davies Margaret Ann
Davies Robert Thomas
St. Asaph 11b 443
North Wales BMD is showing 2 marriages in Denbighshire that year for Margaret Davies: the one above and another for a Margaret Davies (no second name) to a Robert Davies in Wrexham. Not sure of ref but I think it was 2nd quarter, 1904.
Gadget
PS - both were civil (non- CofE/W) marriages :-\
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IF that 1911 census is the correct family, I'd think it's a good chance that the marriage I found was her.
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IF that 1911 census is the correct family, I'd think it's a good chance that the marriage I found was her.
Yes - it probably was. Valerie found that on the thread I linked to - not sure if Valerie ever bought the cert.
I was merely pointling out that there was another one.
It is worth reading the other thread - and the others that Valerie has put up about Margaret over the years. Think it's going around in circles, else!
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Thanks Gadget, I will do. Couldn't last night as the Wifi here was playing up and kept disconnecting.
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Here's a post of the same marriage -
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711976.msg5555400#msg5555400
added - and:
shall I chance it and send for certificate what's one more after all :))))))
Go on risk it ;D
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Maybe your theory about the Patagonia family being a different cousin could be right. I found a short piece in the newspaper under Abergele (1st col, paragraph 12 titled Patagonia)
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3880351/3880355/27/margaret%20abergele,%20patagonia
This Evans family lived in peel Street, went out to Patagonia and after spending 24 years there, the article says were now going to Australia. You mention that you may have your Maggie living at in 1901, so it may be worth looking at that to eliminate.
In another news article, it mentions that 4 families from Abergele who had emigrated from Patagonia arrived to pick land 160 miles from Perth, one named John Evans.
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Firstly i want to say thank you al,l for replying and helping me on such a worn out old thread.
I never sent for the certificate 11B 448 because of the middle name Anne' but tomorrow morning I will pick up the phone
Thought I would be really clever and look on Find my Past I can't even see it on there but can see on Ancestry weird?
Sam, I have seen that first newspaper cutting abut the Evans, not the second one, I'm sure Margaret went to Patagonia all around her in Peel Street people were going there and in the late 1800s a John Davies was there could have been a relative, It's weird the name about Evans because another distant cousin told me she married an Evans but Iv never found anything to prove this there is a Margaret Davies marrying a Bernard Evans but it's not her and I think he only spoke of things he had heard nothing he told me ever was proven.
Margaret was not about in 1920 as my mother's papers from Dr Barnardo gave a list of all the family members and their reason they could not take my mother in but Margarets name was not given by Grandmother(they were sisters) which makes me think she was not about.
Thank You
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11B 443
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Is the Margaret Anne Davies/ Robert Thomas marriage 1904 from Abergele in the 1911 census having trouble finding that
Thanks
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EM - see my previous link. Val found this 2 years ago, I think :)
Help and advice please before I send for this marraige certificate, can anyone look at the info to see if I'm making a blunder.
Found Maggie Davies living in Peel street Abergele 1911 census which is where she came from, married to Robert Thomas Davies her age is two years out but there seems to be some crossing out in the Margin
She has three children, it states marraige 1904 the only marraige I can find us for a Margaret Ann in 1904 in Wrexham.
Trying not to get to excited
Yes, it's the one you found a couple of years ago.
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Oh dear, Valerie, as groom and I have pointed out, you found all this 2 years ago.
I think it might be best if you were to read through your earlier threads on Margaret and make notes of all the relevant details that have been found in them :-\
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You know There is a mistake on FindMyPast where the ref is 11b 443 and that's on the LDS as well I can see why it's happened.
I will stop posting now until this certificate turns up
Thank you all I will be in touch
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Lets hope it helps, let us know.
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I will be in touch good or bad, Iv found the children From the census on Ancestry no mothers details unfortunately and I have found a merchant sailor Robert Davies from Abergele age fits on crew lists 1900 and 1906 so we will see.
Thank you all for answering I would try the patience of a saint I know.
I will keep proper written record for Margaret from now on
Have sorted a little note book just for her
Good night
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Do hope you get some luck with Margaret, Valerie.
For reference, I've been through some of the threads about your Margaret. There are all sorts of interesting info on them:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=741070.9
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711976.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=771023.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=739713.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=646530.0
This one has a post from me where I linked to previous threads :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,215123.msg1117421.html#msg1117421
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,213052.msg1102846.html#msg1102846
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,399003.msg2689457.html#msg2689457
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,55488.msg222814.html#msg222814
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,515258.msg3711201.html#msg3711201
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,265387.msg1503570.html#msg1503570
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,207154.msg1059974.html#msg1059974
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,515047.msg3709495.html#msg3709495
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,64586.msg262940.html#msg262940
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,29944.msg114984.html#msg114984
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,297468.msg1798256.html#msg1798256
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,608864.msg4582610.html#msg4582610
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,597264.msg4472593.html#msg4472593
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,646552.msg4932434.html#msg4932434
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,615066.msg4638969.html#msg4638969
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,601486.msg4510340.html#msg4510340
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I can fill my note book with all that lol or write a book.
I can see why I dismissed this Find from 2 years ago I'm still confused a bit it's the wrong age on census 4 her the MC has a middle name 4 her and she has 3 children I was told she had 2 boys and tonight I find the page number transcribed wrong if it's her i will be surprised
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Just rechecked the North Wales BMD for the marriaage. The certificates are at the Rhyl Office and if you phone them, the local referennce is STASAPH/31/E135.If you speak to them, you could say that you only want it if Margaret's father's name is ... (forgotten his name). I've done this with local offices and they are usually very obliging.
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Ok Thank you will do
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Rang Rhyl office very nice lady, sadly Fathers name wrong for Margaret.
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Oh dear - back to the drawing board :-\
Have been going through some of those old threads - there were lots of ideas thrown up in them.
Did you follow up on the Liverpool one?
Also, what was her full date of birth?
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Hi Gadget,
You r reading my mind getting my book out tonight going to write a few things down, see if anything jumps out at me.
Thanks for still giving