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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: roycymru on Sunday 07 May 17 08:27 BST (UK)
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Hello
I have finally found a marriage I have been looking for for ages. It is registered in Carmarthen rather than Llanelly as I was expecting. I am a member of Carm-FHS And they have excellent range of parish marriage images on their website. Therefore, I am hoping it is on the website somewhere, rather than having to order from the GRO, but which particular parish? The GRO marriage reference is Sept qtr 1868 for David Davies & Jane Aubrey Carmarthen vol 11a pg 932. I have been unable to positively identify David in the 1861 census, and therefore likely location in 1868, Jane was living in Brandyway, Cilcarw, llangendeirne. However, the marriage is not in the 1868 Llangendeirne parish register images. In 1871 they were living in Llannon, but the marriage is not Llannon parish register images either. Therefore any idea which parish register images I should concentrate on if it was registered under "Carmarthen"
Thank you
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Also checked Llanarthney, Llanddarog and Llangunnor and not there
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Could it have been a Register Office wedding? If so then you would need to buy a copy of the certificate.
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Could it have been a Register Office wedding? If so then you would need to buy a copy of the certificate.
I suppose there could be this possibility. Jane would have been 17 when she got married, and depending on exact timings could have been pregnant with their first child Mary Ann, whose birth was register in Carmarthen in march quarter 1869 (11a 744). I don't know if it is of any significance, but this is the only marriage registered under Carmarthen 11a 932, whereas, when you normally search for marriages from this time period you get at least a couple of possible pairs who married. What do you think?
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I had a quick look at some Carmarthen marriage registrations on FreeBMD and there are a few times when just 2 names are listed.
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Could it have been a Register Office wedding? If so then you would need to buy a copy of the certificate.
Looks like it was - nothing showing in Carmarthenshire marriages - only in the GRO index.
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Could it have been a Register Office wedding? If so then you would need to buy a copy of the certificate.
Looks like it was - nothing showing in Carmarthenshire marriages - only in the GRO index.
OK will order from GRO and report back when I get it. Thanks
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may have been in a chapel and therefore registrar attended at that period.
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may have been in a chapel and therefore registrar attended at that period.
Have now got the certificate. The marriage was in Caersalem Independent Chapel, Pontyberem, so your theory was right
The marriage between David Davies and Jane Aubrey took place at Caeresalem on 12 Sep 1868. It has David Davies Farm Bailiff as his father and Daniel Aubrey Coal Miner deceased as Jane's father. Jane's age on the marriage certificate is given as 19, but she was in fact 17.
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1871 census Office House, Llannon RG10/5472 folio 12 pg 8
David Davis head mar 62 farm bailiff b. Llangunnor
Ann wife 62 b. Llanarthney
William son 18 fireman at coal works b. Llanarthney
Mary Ann Beynon grand dau 5 b. Llannon
Ann Williams 26 servant b. Llanelly
1851 Llaeth Dy, Llannon HO107/2469 folio 308 pg 10
David Davies head mar 41 labourer b. Llangunnor
Anne wife 42 b. Llanarthney
Mary dau 18 b. Llanarthney
Thomas son 16 b. Llanartheny
David son 7 b. Llannon
Anne dau 3 b. Llannon
Working out Anne's maiden name from GRO index would be a nightmare with no unusual first name to work with.
1881 census David has died and Anne is with daughter Anne now married to Thomas Beynon in Pontyberem. RG11/5378 folio 79 pg 7
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Thanks Osprey, your research has reassuringly confirmed mine. I am reasonably confident I have traced David Davies who married Jane Aubrey's ancestry. His mother is also Anne Davies and David and Anne married 25 Dec 1828, Llanarthney. If I am correct, In 1841 the family are living at Dan y Graig, Llanddarog, HO107/1384/10 page 8.
I was unsure David who married Jane parents were David and Anne as I have that David was born 16 Jan 1843, Pantyfynnon, Llannon, whereas David consistently in the census and on his gravestone has his birth in 1845. This maybe because of a miscalculation by David or perhaps David 1843 died young and their next son born 1845 was also then called David. I will have to chase this up.
With such a common name as David Davies I have been unable to obviously find him in the 1861 census. He is not with his parents, which if I am correct are at Tynywain, Castell, Llanarthney RG9/4134 page 4.
David and Anne are buried at Caersalem. David died 24 Nov 1874 and an died 24 Sep 1890
Regards
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it's possible that David 'lost' a couple of years on marrying Jane as she was a bit younger than him.
By the 1861, David could be working away from home and also in 1861 there are some parts of the census that are missing.
Having said that, I can see a possible for him as a farm servant at Login Farm, Higher Swansea RG9/4100 folio 58 pg 15. It's on the outskirts of Waunarlwydd
https://www.houser.co.uk/login-farm,-waunarlwydd-road,-waunarlwydd,-swansea-sa5-4rp-p10205777
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Hello Osprey
Thanks for looking. I suspect he may be in the missing records. On his marriage certificate he is Blacksmith and in later censuses a Smith/Blacksmith, sometimes at a Colliery, therefore in 1861 I thought he would have been more likely to be working in a Colliery or be an apprentice Blacksmith, but of course I could be wrong!