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Hi, this is my first post here :)
I am looking for my Grandmothers birth details. Jessie Mccrae or Currie. Her maiden name is shown as Mccrae on her marriage certificate but shown as Currie on her children's birth certificates. I think she was Scottish but I am not 100% sure.
I have the dates but cannot find any record which then might indicate who her parents were or where she was born etc
DOB 12th Dec 1924
Death Apr 1997
I did find one Electoral Register that had her and her husband, my Grandfather, Peter William Barnecutt, living in Glasgow, Lanarkshire in Scotland. My mother also once told me that they had lived in a place called Drumpchapel in Glasgow, not sure if that could have been her home town. But that is all I have to go off of.
Any information would be greatly appreciated as I have hit a bit of a brick wall searching. Thank you :)
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Welcome to rootschat, swall.
What other information about her is on her marriage certificate - Father's name?
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Swall,
I have a seat booked for the GRO tomorrow and will look at these for you.....
There is a potential birth for your grandmother which looks about right
Maiden name was Currie.
Middle name McCrae
CURRIE
JESSIE MCCRAE
F
1924
644/14 815
Maryhill
AND the marriage....
BARNECUTT
PETER WILLIAM
CURRIE
JESSIE MCRAE
1945
644/12 207
207
Maryhill
Are you misreading the marriage cert?
Index certainly says: Currie
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Is this Peter: ?
Peter William Barnecutt born 19th January 1925, died August 2002 in Kerrier, Cornwall.
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Was she married previously (Mccrea)?
born currie - married Mccrea - married Barnecutt?
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I am fairly certain that swall has misread the 1945 marriage cert.
Maiden name was Currie and middle name was McRae
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:)
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On the 1960 ER for Glasgow, Peter and Jessie are at 27 Ruchill Street, amongst others at the same address are Emily and Robert Currie.
I agree about the marriage certificate 'misreading'.
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Possible death for Emily:
Emily Warren Currie died age 61 in 1963 at Kelvin, 644/7 879
Possible marriage:
Robert Currie married Emily Warren Paterson in 1923 at Kelvin, 644/13 114
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There is something a wee bit odd.
Swall does not know who Jessie's parents were?
They are listed on the 1945 marriage that swall says the info came from?
3 Barnecutt children from this marriage were born in Cornwall between 1950 and 1953
Chempat then located the family in Glasgow at 1960 ( ER possibly prepared in advance circa 1959)
.... AND. all 3 children married in Glasgow in the 1970's ?
There is no doubt as all 3 names match completely?
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Death?
Jessie Mccrae Barnecutt born 12th December 1924, died April quarter 1997 age 72 in Kerrier, Cornwall
Jessie Barnecutt on ER 27 Ruchill Street, Glasgow, in 1955 - no Husband. (Emily and Robert Currie at same address, with others)
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Jessie, Robert and Emily Currie on ER in 1945 for 27 Ruchill Street, Glasgow.
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There is something a wee bit odd.
Swall does not know who Jessie's parents were?
They are listed on the 1945 marriage that swall says the info came from?
Anne,
From initial post....
"I have the dates but cannot find any record which then might indicate who her parents were or where she was born etc
DOB 12th Dec 1924
Death Apr 1997"
Annie
Added, Could it mean the marriage details were taken from the index?
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Thought I would add this link I found for future ref. (just in case) as there's mention of Cornwall relating to the surname Barnecutt..
http://www.barnecuttgover.me.uk/default.html
Annie
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From OP
"Her maiden name is shown as Mccrae on her marriage certificate but shown as Currie on her children's birth certificates. I think she was Scottish but I am not 100% sure."
Swall states that Jessie's name of McRae came from the marriage cert.
The index shows that her last name was Currie and parent names are listed on all Scottish marriages.
Im off to the GRO today and will look at it.
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Thank you for all the replies wow !:)
Firstly sorry let me clear up. I myself do not have any paperwork. I was told through a family member that one of the names on her certificate is a Mccrae (which seems to be a middle name from reading the replies here?). I was also told by my Father that he remembers it possibly having been Currie though he was not sure, so those are the two names that I had to search with. I have only been doing this a little while so apologies for the misunderstanding :)
I came across 3 documents in my search. 1 death index and 2 Electoral registers. The death index confirms what we 100% know that she died in Cornwall where my Grandfather died.
What I was having trouble with was finding any information on Jessie's birth and parents and the same for my Grandfather.
@anne_p
That would make sense that Mccrae would have been a middle name and Currie the last name. Is there a way to link me the index to that so I might add it to my collection?
@chempat
Yes that was her husband Peter :) As far as Peter goes I have only managed to find his death index and the Electoral register.
From what I have been reading in the replies it seems as if her parents may have been a Robert and Emily Currie ?
Thank you so much for all of your help so far it really is super appreciated :)
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Peter Barnecutt is in a tree on Ancestry, and it is claimed that he was born in Falmouth to an unknown mother. No birth showing on free bmd.
So you need to wait for anne_p to report back on that marriage certificate.
Were you aware of Scotlandspeople website - free to register and have access to searches, but paying for certificates :
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records
Added:
Just realised it is your tree on Ancestry, and in GenesReunited.
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I was at Register House today and copied the details of Jessie's birth.
I also have a copy of her parents marriage for you swall.
Jessie McRae Currie born 12 Dec 1924 at 75 Burnhouse Street, Glasgow
Her parents were indeed Robert Currie (Policeman) and Emily Warren Paterson who married in Glasgow on 9 Apr 1923.
I listed all the details from the 1945 marriage and I have forgotten to write down the exact date!
She married Peter William Barnecutt (age 20) at Maryhill Old Parish Church ( Church Of Scotland)
He was newly engaged in active service as a driver in the Royal Army Service Corps.
Address: 1 Coronation Cottages, Maoe ?, Cornwall
Parents : Edgar Barnecutt ( Stone Cutter) and Emma Richards
Jessie was 20yrs old, a Fish Restaurant Assistant of 27 Ruchill Street, Glasgow
Witnesses were: Louis Garment, 73 Cadder Road, Glasgow and Elizabeeth Currie of 27 Ruchill Road
Both of Jessie's parents are listed as aged 31 on their 1923 marriage cert
Robert was the son of: Thomas Currie & Jessie McRae.
Emily Warren Paterson was the daughter of: William Paterson and Matilda Jane Warren.
If you send me a PM with your email address, I will gladly send you this cert.
( I think you may need to make one more post before you can send a PM?)
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@ann_P
You are an absolute star ! I cannot thank you enough for your efforts. This fills in a lot of blanks that I had hit a dead end with so I am extremely pleased and greateful :)
Hopefully this post will now allow me to make a PM.
Again, can't thank you enough !
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She married Peter William Barnecutt (age 20) at Maryhill Old Parish Church ( Church Of Scotland)
He was newly engaged in active service as a driver in the Royal Army Service Corps.
Address: 1 Coronation Cottages, Maoe ?, Cornwall
Parents : Edgar Barnecutt ( Stone Cutter) and Emma Richards
Free bmd gives this marriage:
Marriages September quarter 1926
Albert Barnecutt Liskeard 5c 111
Emma Richards Liskeard 5c 111
and lots of Barnecutt/Richards children in Liskeard and then Falmouth.
This looks like Peter W Barnecutt's birth:
Births March quarter 1925
Peter W Richards mmn Richards Liskeard 5c 68
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"Robert was the son of: Thomas Currie & Jessie McRae"
I wonder if Jessie was a middle name?
Not showing on SP (Statutory), closest is this...
CURRIE THOMAS
MCRAE ISABELLA
1888
098/ 94
94
Inverness
Annie
Edit....Ooops, I had written this to copy & paste but left out the 1st part when I copied it ::)
Anne, that was really kind of you to do the look-up today!
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Anne,
What was William Currie's occ. please?
I'm looking at 1901 but it isn't adding up so not sure I have the correct one?
There's William (Grocer's Assistant) & Jeanie but a note next to her with surname Brown added?
Parish: Lesmahagow; ED: 13; Page: 7; Line: 17; Roll: CSSCT1901_341
Annie
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Rosinish,
Do you mean William Currie or Thomas Currie or William Paterson?
'Both of Jessie's parents are listed as aged 31 on their 1923 marriage cert
Robert was the son of: Thomas Currie & Jessie McRae.
Emily Warren Paterson was the daughter of: William Paterson and Matilda Jane Warren.'
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This is Emily's birth from Scotlandspeople:
Emily Warren Patterson 1901 Service Returns
Added:
Wrong birth as
'Both of Jessie's parents are listed as aged 31 on their 1923 marriage cert'
so Emily should have been born in 1892?
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Looking at this 1923 marriage cert again.
Apologies Chempat
My eyesight isn't the best and the original print isn't the best quality
Robert is definitely entered as age 31yrs but, as I have now scanned the image (and emailed it to swell) I can see it in a larger view.... Emily was 21 yrs !
1901 birth looks correct for Emily
Robert ( a Police Constable) lived at 79 Byres Road and both parents are recorded as deceased:
Thomas Currie ( Wine & Spirit Merchant) and Jessie Currie MS McCrae
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Anne,
What was William Currie's occ. please?
I'm looking at 1901 but it isn't adding up so not sure I have the correct one?
There's William (Grocer's Assistant) & Jeanie but a note next to her with surname Brown added?
Parish: Lesmahagow; ED: 13; Page: 7; Line: 17; Roll: CSSCT1901_341
Annie
Forget that, scrolling too fast, wrong forename, sorry ::)
Can't find the family in 1901 but found a Robert Currie (born Glasgow, Lanark) aged 10 yrs living in the household of an Elizabeth McKay in Auchamore Road Mount Pleasents, (sic), Dunoon, Dunoon and Kilmun, Argyll
Parish: Dunoon and Kilmun; ED: 7; Page: 6; Line: 9; Roll: CSSCT1901_178
Annie
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Hello @ann_p i came across your post and I think you are talking about my nan and grandad Peter and jessie barnecutt and my great grandparents edgar and Emma from 1 coronation cottages mabe in Cornwall.
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Swall
I think you are talking about my nan and grandad
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Rosinish
Hi i came across these posts but not sure if anyone is still active i think they are referring to my nan and grandad Peter and jessie barnecutt and my great grandparents edgar and Emma from mabe cornwall
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Welcome to Rootschat S. Jane.
Yes it seems to be the same family i.e. you & Swall would be cousins.
Annie
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This is in reply to S. Jane who sent me a PM, possibly as my light was the only one on but as always it's best info. is dealt with on the forum...
"Do you know if swall is still on tbis forum It's my understanding that edgar barnecutt my great grandfather was Edgar pellow in the ww1 service he apparently had received a high ranking medal for his service unfortunately that medal was lost long ago it seems very difficult to non existent any information on my grandparents and services during the war"
Swall hasn't replied to messages posted since 10 May 17 although was last active here 18 May 17 but will hopefully get notification of your posts & reply soon.
Records for WW2 are held with the MoD...
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records
Many WW1 records were burnt although it's worth contacting the MoD to enquire about any records.
Is this your g g/f, received the Victory Medal & British War Medal?
Edgar Joseph Pellow
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=edgar+pellow
Do you know why the difference in names & how did you find out this is likely Edgar Barnecutt?
There's something odd about the info. on the marriage cert. of Peter William Barnecutt as it doesn't add up with what's been found...
Reply #17 from anne_p...
"1945 marriage Peter William Barnecutt (age 20)
He was newly engaged in active service as a driver in the Royal Army Service Corps.
Address: 1 Coronation Cottages, Maoe ?, Cornwall
Parents : Edgar Barnecutt ( Stone Cutter) and Emma Richards"
Reply #19 from chempat...
"Marriages September quarter 1926
Albert Barnecutt / Emma Richards Liskeard 5c 111"
Then..."looks like Peter W Barnecutt's birth:
Births March quarter 1925 Peter W Richards mmn Richards Liskeard 5c 68"
Born prior to the above marriage, his father's name is in dispute from the above info, was he Edgar or Albert or as you're now saying, Edgar Pellow who from the WW1 doc. above (if it's him) had a middle name Joseph?
I think a few certs. need to be bought to sort this lot out.
Annie
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Apologies for delay in response as I was just looking at this again.
Due to the rules, I cannot provide exact info but the info on the 1939 register looks odd.
Address in Mabe matches with the 1945 marriage of Peter W Barnecutt
This is the home of Edgar J Pellow rather than Albert Barnecutt
Emma was originally entered with he name of Barnecutt which has been crossed out ( in Red) and changed to Pellow at a later date.
Although both are entered as Married, it does not look like they were a married couple at this time.
Every other entry for this household is redacted
Edgar J Pellow is also more than 20yrs older than Emma Barnecutt
The only possible future record that I can find dates from 1967 where an Edgar J Pellow married Emma Pellow in Falmouth
Peter W Barnecutt stated his father, Albert Barnecutt was a Stone Cutter.
Edgar J Pellow was also a Stone Cutter but, i am not convinced that they are the same person
Anne
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Thanks ann_p...
I'm glad it's not just me thinking things are not working out correctly/in sinc?
I really think some certs. are needed to sort out the conundrum which visually/mentally can't be done by assumption (as can often be done) but not in this case I don't think?
Annie
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SWALL You are most definitely talking about my family. My Granmother was Jessie Currie and Grandfather Peter Barnecutt. The S. Jane who replied I ask you is that you Sarah? My cousin?
My father is Jessie and Peter's son and he is called David. There are also his siblings Eileen, Peter, Jackie, Malcome and Marie.
They lived in Glasgow for a time and yes Jessie was Scottish. They came to Cornwall. Jessie's mother lived in Mabe in Cornwall and was the most wonderful Great Gran. They then lived for the majority of their time in Cornwall in Cury in Helston. Jessie passed due to Cancer. Peter passed after her.
Please Swall if you see this contact me.
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Hi, this is my first post here :)
I am looking for my Grandmothers birth details. Jessie Mccrae or Currie. Her maiden name is shown as Mccrae on her marriage certificate but shown as Currie on her children's birth certificates. I think she was Scottish but I am not 100% sure.
I have the dates but cannot find any record which then might indicate who her parents were or where she was born etc
DOB 12th Dec 1924
Death Apr 1997
I did find one Electoral Register that had her and her husband, my Grandfather, Peter William Barnecutt, living in Glasgow, Lanarkshire in Scotland. My mother also once told me that they had lived in a place called Drumpchapel in Glasgow, not sure if that could have been her home town. But that is all I have to go off of.
Any information would be greatly appreciated as I have hit a bit of a brick wall searching. Thank you :)
I am your relative. Jessie was my Grandmother. She was a Currie and Scottish as you thought. She married my Granfather Peter Barnecutt. Please contact me
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Swall
I think you are talking about my nan and grandad
Sarah? It's Marie David's daughter. I assume this is you posting.
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There is something a wee bit odd.
Swall does not know who Jessie's parents were?
They are listed on the 1945 marriage that swall says the info came from?
3 Barnecutt children from this marriage were born in Cornwall between 1950 and 1953
Chempat then located the family in Glasgow at 1960 ( ER possibly prepared in advance circa 1959)
.... AND. all 3 children married in Glasgow in the 1970's ?
There is no doubt as all 3 names match completely?
Do you have the information of the 3 born in Cornwall. I am assuming David is one.
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This is in reply to S. Jane who sent me a PM, possibly as my light was the only one on but as always it's best info. is dealt with on the forum...
"Do you know if swall is still on tbis forum It's my understanding that edgar barnecutt my great grandfather was Edgar pellow in the ww1 service he apparently had received a high ranking medal for his service unfortunately that medal was lost long ago it seems very difficult to non existent any information on my grandparents and services during the war"
Swall hasn't replied to messages posted since 10 May 17 although was last active here 18 May 17 but will hopefully get notification of your posts & reply soon.
Records for WW2 are held with the MoD...
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records
Many WW1 records were burnt although it's worth contacting the MoD to enquire about any records.
Is this your g g/f, received the Victory Medal & British War Medal?
Edgar Joseph Pellow
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=edgar+pellow
Do you know why the difference in names & how did you find out this is likely Edgar Barnecutt?
There's something odd about the info. on the marriage cert. of Peter William Barnecutt as it doesn't add up with what's been found...
Reply #17 from anne_p...
"1945 marriage Peter William Barnecutt (age 20)
He was newly engaged in active service as a driver in the Royal Army Service Corps.
Address: 1 Coronation Cottages, Maoe ?, Cornwall
Parents : Edgar Barnecutt ( Stone Cutter) and Emma Richards"
Reply #19 from chempat...
"Marriages September quarter 1926
Albert Barnecutt / Emma Richards Liskeard 5c 111"
Then..."looks like Peter W Barnecutt's birth:
Births March quarter 1925 Peter W Richards mmn Richards Liskeard 5c 68"
Born prior to the above marriage, his father's name is in dispute from the above info, was he Edgar or Albert or as you're now saying, Edgar Pellow who from the WW1 doc. above (if it's him) had a middle name Joseph?
I think a few certs. need to be bought to sort this lot out.
Annie
I'm a relative of Swall I believe as Jessie and Peter were my granparents, Jessie was indeed Scottish lived in Glasgow and my Dad always mentions Drumchapel and Mary Hill. Mabe in Cornwall is where my father was born and Great Grandmother lived who was Jessies mother. It's a shame Swall never came back :-( I'd love to find out who they are and more family history. I assume unless Jessie had another child Swalls parent must be one of my dad's brothers/sisters.
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Sarah it's a shame Swall never came back. It's Marie here. They are my Granparents too as you know.
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Hello, Marie yes its jocks sarah your cousin, dont really go on here just browsing ages ago and came across this..
Yes Jessie and Peter our grandparents.
Jessie Scottish met Peter lived in Scotland for a while had thier children Peter in army they moved around before settling back into Cornwall, it was actually grandad Peter mum that lived in mabe Emma my great grandmother antron hill mabe visited her many time's still remember her and the house, emma Richards was my grandads mum Peter Barnecutt, not sure who his father was emma met someone else (edgar pellow) not sure of they married then they had 5 other children together all growing up in mabe, peter had a different father didn't take the name pellow therefore Barnecutt, they were all half siblings unfortunately i never met edgar pellow he'd passed before i was born, however Peter met Jessie mcrea currie whilst in the army they had thier children all Barnecutt 4 boy's 3 girls born in Scotland 2 sister's and one brother still in Scotland one sister and 3 brothers in cornwall now, as for grandad Peter half siblings pellow ive never met them amd assume they still live in cornwall. I don't know anything about my nanny Jessie family other than she was from Scotland just my grandad Peter side his mum my great grandma emma from mabe don't know his real father other than was working liskeard fell pregnant with my grandad Peter Barnecutt didn't stay with his dad moved to mabe think his mum had met and remarried edgar pellow and all grew up in mabe until he met my nanny in Scotland and so on thats the jist of it Peter was a Barnecutt pellow wasn't his biological father emma and edgar had 5 other children surname pellow all grew up in mabe, edgar was in army had won a important medal not sure what or where is could be not sure what he did after army, only know this because my dad lived with his gran emma and edgar in mabe for abit in his secondary school age.
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Not sure who swall is or was or who was looking for information on nanny and grandad.
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Hello, Marie yes its jocks sarah your cousin, dont really go on here just browsing ages ago and came across this..
Yes Jessie and Peter our grandparents.
Jessie Scottish met Peter lived in Scotland for a while had thier children Peter in army they moved around before settling back into Cornwall, it was actually grandad Peter mum that lived in mabe Emma my great grandmother antron hill mabe visited her many time's still remember her and the house, emma Richards was my grandads mum Peter Barnecutt, not sure who his father was emma met someone else (edgar pellow) not sure of they married then they had 5 other children together all growing up in mabe, peter had a different father didn't take the name pellow therefore Barnecutt, they were all half siblings unfortunately i never met edgar pellow he'd passed before i was born, however Peter met Jessie mcrea currie whilst in the army they had thier children all Barnecutt 4 boy's 3 girls born in Scotland 2 sister's and one brother still in Scotland one sister and 3 brothers in cornwall now, as for grandad Peter half siblings pellow ive never met them amd assume they still live in cornwall. I don't know anything about my nanny Jessie family other than she was from Scotland just my grandad Peter side his mum my great grandma emma from mabe don't know his real father other than was working liskeard fell pregnant with my grandad Peter Barnecutt didn't stay with his dad moved to mabe think his mum had met and remarried edgar pellow and all grew up in mabe until he met my nanny in Scotland and so on thats the jist of it Peter was a Barnecutt pellow wasn't his biological father emma and edgar had 5 other children surname pellow all grew up in mabe, edgar was in army had won a important medal not sure what or where is could be not sure what he did after army, only know this because my dad lived with his gran emma and edgar in mabe for abit in his secondary school age.
Yeah I know it was Peter living there I got that bit wrong then couldn't change it. I wondered who swall is too, it's a mystery
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Hello, Marie yes its jocks sarah your cousin, dont really go on here just browsing ages ago and came across this..
Yes Jessie and Peter our grandparents.
Jessie Scottish met Peter lived in Scotland for a while had thier children Peter in army they moved around before settling back into Cornwall, it was actually grandad Peter mum that lived in mabe Emma my great grandmother antron hill mabe visited her many time's still remember her and the house, emma Richards was my grandads mum Peter Barnecutt, not sure who his father was emma met someone else (edgar pellow) not sure of they married then they had 5 other children together all growing up in mabe, peter had a different father didn't take the name pellow therefore Barnecutt, they were all half siblings unfortunately i never met edgar pellow he'd passed before i was born, however Peter met Jessie mcrea currie whilst in the army they had thier children all Barnecutt 4 boy's 3 girls born in Scotland 2 sister's and one brother still in Scotland one sister and 3 brothers in cornwall now, as for grandad Peter half siblings pellow ive never met them amd assume they still live in cornwall. I don't know anything about my nanny Jessie family other than she was from Scotland just my grandad Peter side his mum my great grandma emma from mabe don't know his real father other than was working liskeard fell pregnant with my grandad Peter Barnecutt didn't stay with his dad moved to mabe think his mum had met and remarried edgar pellow and all grew up in mabe until he met my nanny in Scotland and so on thats the jist of it Peter was a Barnecutt pellow wasn't his biological father emma and edgar had 5 other children surname pellow all grew up in mabe, edgar was in army had won a important medal not sure what or where is could be not sure what he did after army, only know this because my dad lived with his gran emma and edgar in mabe for abit in his secondary school age.
Yes Dad lived with her in mabe too! When he had his accident renedring him hard of hearing (now deaf) his evil dad didn't want him so drove him from scotland to cornwall and dumped him there. Peter was a very evil man. Ask Eileen. I will say no more.
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I remember feeding Great Grandmoter's chicken and she had this lodger there.
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Yeah dad said he blew, up his ear mucking about when they were younger, well i cant comment on how grandad was i didn't know him like that i was alot younger only know dad wanted to go live with great gran because he didnt want to go school out in africa, used to visit great gran often and spent alot of time over at nanny and grandads in Cury when we lived across from then grandad not bieng very mobile he was alright just old and grumpy but then again i was only little and just used to vome in and out thier house as and when we wanted. Still would have been interesting to see who this swall was and is quiet interesting knowing there is other family around close by considering great gran had 5 more children.
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Yeah i remember the lodger too and great gran sitting in her chair in the corner of the lounge pinny on and auntie ivy up the road.
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Not sure who swall is or was or who was looking for information on nanny and grandad.
Swall has not been active on here since 2017 if their contact details are the same they will receive a notification you have posted
They don't seem to have replied to any of the comments so not looking to good to an answer to your question .Nice to see you have made contact with another member :)
Rosie
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S .Jane .You can also private message each other now you have made contact with each other :)
Rosie
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Yeah it would be interesting to know if they ever do come back on here. I do remember you and your brother a lot and that big old sheep dog lol. We used to play but you probably don't remember. I know you lived right there. We went most Sunday's until things came out then never again. Probably why you don't remember much about us being there a lot.