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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Drl1959 on Wednesday 10 May 17 16:56 BST (UK)
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One of my 5th great grandmothers was Jane Dyson who was the second wife of my 5th great grandfather, Michael Bowles. They married 12 June 1776 at St Mary in Prestwich, Lancashire.
In doing research, I have found two baptismal records for a Jane Dyson, both of which could fit.
The first was born 1752 to James Dyson and Rachel Brierley of Royton, Lancashire. She was baptized 12 Jan 1752 at the Shaw Chapel in the parish of Oldham.
The second was born 1756 to Simeon Dyson and Sarah Greaves of Fulwood (?), Lancashire (previous children were born at Heyside). She was baptized 11 Jan 1756 at the Shaw Chapel in the parish of Oldham.
Michael and Jane's marriage record does not give any information about who her parents were. It states that they were both from the parish of Oldham. The witnesses were James Barl (?) and Thomas Tees or Lees. Michael signed the record, Jane did not.
Is there a way to tell or figure out which Jane Dyson is my 5th great grandmother? There were so many Dysons in that area, it's hard to figure out who was who. TIA.
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Welcome to Rootschat
If you could find a burial record for her it may give her age but no guarantees
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Welcome to Rootschat
If you could find a burial record for her it may give her age but no guarantees
The problem with that is that they moved to Ireland in about 1798.
BTW, very cute kitty in your avatar.
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Welcome from me also :)
As you say there are lots of Dysons :-\
I wondered about family names being carried on- Simeon and Sarah seems to have had lots of children.
The areas given are close to each other which doesn't help either.
Perhaps looking for a marriage for the other Jane - whichever that may be. Not much help, sorry!
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Welcome to Roots
Both marriage records Lancs opc :-
Marriage: 1 Aug 1743 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire, England
Simeon Dyson - Weaver, Crompton
Sarah Greaves - spinster, Crompton
Married by Banns
Register: Marriages 1713 - 1752, Page 175
Source: LDS Film 2113205
Marriage: 29 Apr 1750 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England
James Dyson - Weavr., Heyside
Rachel Brierley - Spinster, Cowleshaw
Register: Marriages 1744 - 1754, Page 17, Entry 8
Source: LDS Film 1656117
As both marriages are in the right place and the former couple live near Preston on that Jane's baptism details I think geography may play a part of your decision too.
If I was a betting bod and I'm not btw, I'd be seriously considering James and Rachel. So more digging round this couple may be the first port of call
Good hunting
M
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Both couples live in the same area - there is no mention of Preston :-\
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From Lancashire opc
Baptism: 12 Jan 1752 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Jane Dyson - Daughter of James Dyson & Rachel, his wife
Abode: Royton
Register: Baptisms 1747 - 1764, Page 44, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 1656161
Baptism: 11 Jan 1756 Shaw Chapel, Oldham, Lancashire, England
Jane Dyson - Daughter of Simeon Dyson & Sarah, his wife
Abode: Fulwood
Register: Baptisms 1747 - 1764, Page 73, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 1656161
Fulwood is now a suburb of Preston but back in the day it was a village north of the then town.
M
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Oh sorry. I see what you mean now.
Fulwood was an area of Oldham above Heyside.
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There was a marriage between Jane Dyson and Joseph Chetham (Cheetham) on 28 Feb 1775, also in Prestwich. It said the bride's parish was Chadderton.
I was also a little confused about Fulwood because it didn't make sense that they would live near Preston and bring their children all the way to the Shaw chapel to baptize their children. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Are there any wills available for this area for this time??
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Are there any wills available for this area for this time??
https://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200391/sources/658/probate_records
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Are there any wills available for this area for this time??
https://www.oldham.gov.uk/info/200391/sources/658/probate_records
Thanks so much, Heywood. Unfortunately the page for the wills before 1858 does not appear to work. However, it gives me lots of other things to look through.
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I doubt that they would be online - perhaps Lancashire or Manchester records office.
You could email Oldham to see if they can help.
I found the Cheetham/Dyson family who seem to have moved to Middleton from Chadderton according to baptisms.
Coincidentally there seems to have been a Simeon Dyson in St Leonard's parish, Middleton with baptisms and a burial in the area. From the dates, would be a contemporary of Jane.
Simeon Dyson looks to have been a family traditional name. It does seem to be very difficult for you to get evidence. A pity there was no place given on the marriage certificate.
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Lancashire Archives have a will for a Simeon Dyson
Title Archdeaconry of Chester Probate Records
Date 2 Mar 1811
Description Testator: Simeon Dyson
of High Crompton Preswich cum Oldham
Occupation: labourer
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Lancashire Archives have a will for a Simeon Dyson
Title Archdeaconry of Chester Probate Records
Date 2 Mar 1811
Description Testator: Simeon Dyson
of High Crompton Preswich cum Oldham
Occupation: labourer
Burial was at Shaw Chapel. Simeon Dyson, of High Crompton, a Shopkeeper.
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Where did you find these?? All the searches I do bring up nothing.
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I found the burial on Ancestry - Lancashire CoE Records.
I don't know about the will.
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The will I found on the Lancashire archives site in the catalogue. Google LANCAT
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Thanks everyone for your assistance. I'm still having issues trying to access the will but I will figure it out.
After spending the day yesterday going through some burial and marriage records for Dyson's in Lancashire, I'm no farther ahead on who belongs to who. I did find that there was a third Jane Dyson who was married in 1784 to John Huddersfield, so that throws a bit of a wrench into things. They married in Oldham and the other two married in Prestwich. So, I might not even have my Jane's baptismal record at all.
I don't think the Dyson's who lived in Chadderton on the correct ones, though. The siblings of either Jane don't match the Dyson's who married the same time as that Jane.
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You won't see any more than I posted as the LANCAT only shows the probate record. Sorry I should have made that clearer. They should have the will at the archives but it will only be a paper copy. If anyone is going there they may be willing to have a look for you.
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I found a really good site that has all, if not most, of the bmd records for all the parishes in Lancashire. Someone has gone to a great deal of work to put together the site. They don't have the physical records, but there is all the information there that is on a physical record. However, it doesn't bring me any closer to figuring out who my Jane's parents were, but I may be out of luck for that one. But, I finally figured out how to access the index of wills/probate records.
Thanks again for any assistance.