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It has been quite a while since I 'posted' information on my late.great Uncle, George Savage who died on North Island, New Zealand.
The New Zealand end of my journey is not too far off closure..I have a copy of the inquest into my uncle's death. By contacting the Principal of the Kihikihi school, (recently published the 125 yrs Jubilee history of the school, in which is a picture /photograph of the original school where the inquest was held.
I also have the name of the Post Office Master (& druggist) from where the cablegram informing my gt.grandparents of the death of George Savage..Likewise in Helsby, I have a postcard showing the original postoffice & mistress the cablegram arrived to.
Does anyone know the route the cablegram cable took from Cornwall to Helsby? The cable being laid by Isambard Kingdom Brunel..crew and the Great Eastern ship.
Druid...please, may I use your photograph of the original Helsby school when I get around to collating all my information?
Concentrating on the Helsby end..Mountskill Quarry & the Cholmondoley estates is a starting part, Joseph Arch clearly pays a 'big' role in my gt.uncle's decision to migrate to New Zealand under the Julius Vogel scheme.
The sailing ship, the 'Orient' on which George was a 2nd class passenger, the 1st ship to depart England for Australia using both Steam and sail. Anyone have information on the departure from England on this ship?
Many thanks for reading this 'post'. Archives1
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Hi,
George Savage.
Mother Alice and Father David.
This may help
http://telegraphmuseum.org/
the cable must have gone the same way as the Cable called PLUTO for WW2.
From Helsby along the River Mersey down the coast to Cornwall.
Maggsie
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Wow, thank you Maggsie for such a quick reply to my 'cable laying' question. A question I have been trying to solve for several years.
Indeed yes,David Savage & Alice Yates were George's parents. George's eldest sister worked as a servant ,Rose Villa in Frodsham. ;)
I have a copy of both George's birth certificate from Halton Registrar's Office, from New Zealand, a copy of his death certificate.
My quest started in Helsby Church yard. George's parents headstone, at the foot was the inscription:- George Savage died aged 24 yrs. in New Zealand 1882..
This has been a fascinating journey,Maggsie, one that is not yet complete. Part of the 'winding up' process is obtaining permission to use 'sources of interest.' :o
Sincere thanks,
Archives1
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Hello Maggsie,
Just emailed the museum, hoping 'they' might be of assistance. :)
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Does anyone know the route the cablegram cable took from Cornwall to Helsby? The cable being laid by Isambard Kingdom Brunel..crew and the Great Eastern ship. ...
Not quite sure what you're getting at here. Once the line came ashore in Cornwall, any onward transmission would be over the land-based network which got quite extensive quite quickly - see http://www.connected-earth.com/Journeys/Firstgenerationtechnologies/Thetelegraph/Buildingtelegraphnetworks/index.htm (http://www.connected-earth.com/Journeys/Firstgenerationtechnologies/Thetelegraph/Buildingtelegraphnetworks/index.htm) for a quick overview.
The Great Eastern was used for Trans-Atlantic cable laying and also a cable India to Aden, but that's all I can see for her. Certainly not a cable to Australia / New Zealand.
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the cable must have gone the same way as the Cable called PLUTO for WW2.
Pluto was an oil pipeline under the English Channel in WW2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pluto
Stan
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Thank you for your replies to my 'cable laying' questions.Stan & Adrian. Explains so much to me. Interesting reading too.
Thank you.
I have printed off the information to read later. :)
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david and alice savage were my great great grandparents so I could give you some information about family members in chester Runcorn area
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How exciting :D..I do have some Runcorn information.
I would be delighted to read your information, cuddy mick.
My journey started with just a name at the foot of my great grandparents headstone in Helsby, Cheshire. I did know great Uncle George died in New Zealand, etched on the headstone..
What an amazing journey this has been,Mick. I googled Helsby Cheshire New Zealand. Literally, within seconds, there was the start of an amazing journey.
All my information will go into the Helsby archives.
Through the various census records, plus letters, I have traced a few names to the Runcorn area.
I was so thrilled to see your post.
Thank you for your message. :o
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my direct line from david and alice savage is through arthur roger savage who would have been georges brother.he was born in1876 and married elizabeth parker in 1900.the parker family farmed at crow mere newton frodsham.arthur roger died in1952 and elizabeth died in1954. their son arthur thomas born1908 was my grandad.he married viollet shallcross in1933 and had 3 chidren including my mother.from hereon people are still alive so i need their permission to put their names online
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Wow..fascinating information Mick. I have a letter with Roger's name on.in fact, I have only just put my George Savage files on one side.
I have a book with lots of data in it. My direct link is through David Savage senior, younger son David. John Stephen Savage is my dad's name.
The amount of data I have revolves around George Savage, why he migrated to New Zealand.
We moved from Frodsham to mid Wales in 2004,Presteigne.
We have a less abled daughter who lives with us,Anita has chronic fatigue syndrome and autism. Lovely lady, 51 yrs of age..
Chat tomorrow, Mick
Judith Shore nee Savage
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Mick do you have any further female names ,
I have contact with a Shalcross in Frodsham I could write to David on the off chance.
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i am waiting for my mum to return from her holidays this weekend as i have left most of my research with her
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Pleasant to hear from you ,Mick.
Myfiles are heavy ,need to ask Barry to lift them down for me.
Watch this space.
Judith S
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I have been to rhyll to see my mum.she wasintrigued to hear the unfortunate story of her great uncle George, as she travelled extensively in new Zealand a few years back. unfortunately she could not recall her dad or her uncles ever talking about family. she did say that she had cousins in Runcorn, warrington and preston. she also has a brother Arthur living in Runcorn and a deceased sister Sylvia. I hope this is of interest to you.
best regards mick
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Very much so Mick.I can match names with some of the names you have mentioned.
How very exciting family research is.
Mine started with just a name at the foot of a family headstone plus two letters from 'our ancestors.
See how far your roots will go.
If I can copy any of my records, will do.
Ciao
Judith
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Hello Mike
Located some paperwork which might be useful. Plus CD-roms. Am sending for a CD rom of Overton Church yard...burials you can borrow these, plus, a few more CD roms.
Need your address please. :) .
Will rea d back through your Shalcross names, then write to David Shallcross, a former neighbour .
Best wishes
Judith Shore
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my address is 25 Brook Lane, Newton,Chester. CH22AP. My name is Mick Whitby. my grans family were john alfred shalcross 1869-1946 who married clara leyland 1872-1962. he was a shoemaker and her family were canalboat workers on the bridgewater canal.the shalcrosses originally moved to runcorn from weaverham as far as i can ascertain
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Was Sylvia maiden name Savage? Died somewhere in North Wales? Her dad was Albert Savage
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her maiden name was savage,her married name was markham. she died in shrewsbury in c1996.her father was arthur thomas savage and mother violet savage nee shalcross. all the best mick
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Takes me a step further. ;)
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Just waiting on the Overton Church CD rom, your goodies will be in 2 packages. We're 4 miles from the post office..will send be to be signed for.
Judith Shore nee Savage
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thank you i am sure they will be interesting
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Uncle Albert married a Corker...ran a pub in Frodsham, when Mr Corker served in the war, Uncle Albert helped out in the pub.married Corker.
A major accident when a cow fell on top of him ended up with him being hospitalised for some time.
Much more to this story.
Items being posted out to you tomorrow.
Happy Reading
Judith Shore
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i went for a walk round helsby the other day.iwentround helsby quarry formerly mountskill quarry. is the stocks brow farm on bates lane the former savage farm?
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I believe so...there is reference in the red book I will be mailing tomorrow morning. There is mention of Arthur plus the two Male names you made reference to.
All very fascinating information, Mike..
Huge amounts of family history for you.
Great granddad worked on the quarry at the goods station yard, off loading red stone on to railway wagons. Have history as to why the Cholmondeley estates workers were withdraw their labour from the quarry..
Good reading :)
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Mailed two packages this morning, to be signed for...by 1st class mail.
Happy reading 😉😉👋
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have received your packages. thank you very much.will need to buy a case of red wine to help me study so much data.thanks again Mick
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My pleasure...hope you find links to what you are seeking,
Judith
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My Shallcross contact has had a very difficult few months, I will be writing his Christmas card soon, will write your 1st contact , put it in the card.
Praying Andy and Jenny daughter and so in law have a comfortable Christmas..David too.
Hoping your research is progressing :)
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Mick...please? Send me your full name and address, can't locate the ROOTS reply with this Information in.
Thank you for your Christmas card and message.
HAve three emails to New Zealand, that should bring my journey with George Savage to a conclusion
Seasons greetings
Judith
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My journey into what happened to my great Uncle, George Savage who was found drowned in North Island, New Zealand,
This has been a tremendous journey, met so many fascinating people along the way..
It has been a tremendous privilege to learn so much about George Savage..why he went to New Zealand, the life he was just beginning to forge. A gentleman held in high esteem. Such a tragedy that a young life ended this way.
I have both George Savage birth and death certificates, waiting on a copy of the inquest into my great Uncle..
I owe a huge debt of thanks to PapersPast, a tremendous archive of New Zealand's newspapers..an organisation run by three people.
To the many Roots members who have been a great help too.
There are so many people worthy of mention, the list is endless.
Just,' thank you' to you all,to Roots for your great organisation, thank you.
I now need time to get all my information in order ahead of my passing it on to Helsby,Cheshire archives. :)
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did you ever make any connection of the Savage family in Helsby to my Savage family in Garston ?? there is only 15 miles between them :)
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Sorry, no...garstonite..New Savages crop up from time to time courtesy of an acquaintance in Warrington who has really researched the family through assorted records. I will ask my contact re your message..
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OK cheers - just thought there might be a connection to my Herbert Savage .. Garston