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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: ABradley on Thursday 18 May 17 13:05 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am researching information on the following family for a friend.
Richard Lloyd bob.n/k. Married Agnes Mackenzie dob. N/k. Marriage date not known,possibly Bagnalstown.
They had a son Patrick J Lloyd born 1891. (By the early 1900's he was living in Leith and later joined the Army in 1914. At that time he gave his next of kin as an aunt Mrs.Mary Keogh,Brighton Gardens,Dublin.
He declared on his marriage cert in 1917 that his parents were deceased.
There were also tw sister Mary and Margaret dob's n/k who were reported to have gone to South Carolina.
I have located Patrick Lloyd's marriage cert. And his Army papers but nothing else on him or his parents or sisters.
Thank you
Andrew
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Marriage results for Richard Lloyd
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k4i/ 1901 Census
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Death results for Agnes Lloyd
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Thanks Hallmark, I will have a root around and see if anything ties up.
Andrew
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Further to my earlier post,I have tried to find the Keoghs of Brighton Gardens, Terenure in the Dublin City Electoral Rolls kindly posted on another thread by Aghadowey today.
However I can't even locate the address or surrounding streets in the street listing.
What am I missing?
Andrew
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If you are referring to these they are mostly DublinCity
http://databases.dublincity.ie/burgesses/browse_years.php
while Terenure/Rathmines area would be classed as Co Dublin
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Thanks Dathai,
Do such records exist on line?
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Perhaps in Thom's directory's dont know if they are on line
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Ok Dathai,
I'll try that thanks.
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I've been trying on and off to find something useful but no joy, can I just ask where was Patrick born? Do you have his birth cert?
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Siannan,
I thought I was the only one :)
Myself and some of his relatives have been searching but without success.
He stated on his army attestation papers that his birthplace was Bagenalstown in Co. Carlow.Not something you can make up.
I don't know whether he was Catholic or Protestant. His parents were Richard Lloyd and Annie McKenzie. So I think we have Scottish ,Irish and Welsh connections.
I have tried every permutation but without success.
Any help is appreciated.
Andrew
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I had a quick look for Patrick and he is proving illusive to me also
I noticed on his army records that he is shown as aged 23 years and 270 days on Nov 25 1914; as this is very specific it implies he was born c. Feb 28 1891. However, further on it states aged 23 years and 230 days which would be c. Apr 09 1891 but still implies a birth in that year.
The second thing that I notice is that on the certificate of his second marriage in 1917 he is shown as Patrick James Lloyd a furnaceman; whereas his army records and first marriage refer to him as Patrick Joseph either a Horse Shoer or a driver. Have you obtained a copy of his first marriage certificate from 1915 to see what that states as his parents incase there was any fibbing going on!
Lastly to point out the obvious, his Aunt Mrs. Mary Keogh you could assume would have been either the sister of one of his parent i.e. nee Lloyd or nee Mackenzie. The Mrs Mary Keogh at Brighton Avenue in 1901 and 1911 was formerly named MOYLAN and I don't immediately see a marriage that matches.
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I'd say we are all doing the same type of searches, the only place I could find Lloyd and McKenzie together was a marriage in Cork where the bride was a Lloyd and the witness a McKenzie.
Is there a occupation for Richard the father on any of the marriages?
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On the second marriage certificate the occupation of Richard LLOYD deceased was as Steel Smelter
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He's unlikely to be a Steel Smelter in Carlow, might be worth looking for an Army record for him.
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I understand from his family that there was no previous marriage. The "lady" in question was not married to him and was much older.His army records were revised to show his next of kin as his aunt Mrs Mary Keogh.
He was released from the army for war work in Glasgow where he was a "smelter". He enlisted in Leith,Edinburgh.
I don't know how he moved from Carlow to Leith to Glasgow.
I dont have any further information on his parents.
I cant find a marriage for a Lloyd or a McKenzie to a Keogh using Genealogy Ireland.ie
So i'm afraid back to square one.
Thanks to every one for their efforts.
Andrew
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There is a Mrs Mary Keogh from Carlow living in Terenure in 1911 but her maiden name is Tallon
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Terenure/Harold_s_Cross_Road/47249/
just posting in case the name Tallon turns out to be connected at some point.
There is one more married and one widowed Mary Keogh in Dublin from Carlow but neither are in Terenure.
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Yes,Sinann I spotted her but the name Tallon is not connected.
Thanks
Andrew
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I understand from his family that there was no previous marriage. The "lady" in question was not married to him and was much older.His army records were revised to show his next of kin as his aunt Mrs Mary Keogh.
He was released from the army for war work in Glasgow where he was a "smelter". He enlisted in Leith,Edinburgh.
On the army record I looked at I would read it that his next of kin when he enlisted was Mrs Mary Keogh, Brighton Gardens, Terenure, Co. Dublin based on the dark colour of the ink througout the page and that this was replaced with lighter ink by Mrs Isabel Lloyd, 29 Admiralty St, Leith in 1915. The army record clearly states that he married Isabel Charlton (widow) of 47 Bridge Street, Leith "Scottish court of justice declare the marraige to be" Jan 07 1915; verified by "M.Cert & Corrs retd to RP 20/4/1916"
On Scotlandspeople there is a marriage between Patrick Lloyd and Isabel Charlton and Patrick Lloyd and Isabel Stuart with the same reference in 1915 but I have not seen the original record.
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Could the Aunt Mrs Mary Keogh be his Grandaunt, but referred to as Aunt.
Is it possible that two Lloyds with similar ages were soldiers.
jfch
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jfch,
I did consider that she was not an "aunt" in the normal sense. But that doesn't help much.
I think we only have one soldier recorded with differing dob's.
He was so factual about his place of birth but so far no trace.
Since giving her name as next of kin it would suggest that he might have been an only child.
Andrew