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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: paul_mc on Sunday 21 May 17 17:39 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I have researched this now until I have completely and utterly hit a brick wall. I have posted about this family before but really need someone to take a look with a fresh set of eyes as I can not work it out for want of trying.
My great great grandfather has three sons. My great grand father being Hugh Heaney. I have been researching his brothers family and that's where it gets complicated.
I have his brother Alexander Heaney (Sometimes Hannay) born circa 1855 Ballymoney, Ireland. The boys moved over to Scotland with their mother when their step father Samuel McCollum died.
Alexander married Mary McCurley in 1873 Cathcart, Glasgow.
They had two sons Francis and Alexander.
I can not find a death for Mary McCurley or Heaney as she would then be. Also on Alexanders death cert it says that he remarried a Lizzie McLulkin - again I can not find that marriage anywhere. In truth this 2nd marriage is a surprise. I'm unclear as to whether there were children from the second marriage . I also can not fine Lizzies death to establish this.
Alexander died 17th dec 1916 - paralysis of the insane (ayr district asylum) my family had a thing about this particular disease. Whats really weird is his father is listed as John Heaney which is incorrect as it should be Hugh. I looked at his birth cert and its the same. So either this is a mistake or Martha Peacock married 2 Heaney's before she married Samuel Mccollum.
I appreciate this family has previously been covered and I'm unsure how to link any information already been given however I'm more than sure Alexander and his 2 wives have not been. Hence why I need some experts help.
Thanks in advance everyone
P
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Hi ,
When were the 2 sons Francis & Alexander born ?
How old was Mary McCurley when she married ?
ev
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There is a death for a Mary Henney(other surname McCurly) age 22 , 1876 Cathcart Lanark.
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Hi Ev
Francis 6th Sept 1874 Cathcart, Glasgow married Elizabeth Weir
Alexander 26th March 1876 Cathcart, Glasgow - married his cousin Martha Heaney and moved to Australia - I have all of the family tree information on Alexander.
Mary McCurley - born @ 1855 Ireland , Parents Francis McCurley and Catherine Savage (Cant find a marriage for them) Mary and Alexander Snr married 5th Dec 1873 his name spelt Hannay
No record of her death and nothing on census that I can find.
Cant find second marriage
By 1901 Alexander Snr is back living with his mother Martha and step brother Archibald with no wife mentioned.
He died 1916 in ayr asylum but usual address is listed as 44 lower bridge, stirling - not exactly next door to Ayr.
Its all very strange
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Alexander died 17th dec 1916 - paralysis of the insane (ayr district asylum) my family had a thing about this particular disease. Whats really weird is his father is listed as John Heaney which is incorrect as it should be Hugh. I looked at his birth cert and its the same. So either this is a mistake or Martha Peacock married 2 Heaney's before she married Samuel Mccollum.
Information on death certificate depends on knowledge of informant so it's quite possible father's name was incorrect. It quite unlikely, based on the information found for you previously that mother Martha was married 3 times- see especially reply #2
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752319.0
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That what I though too aghadowey however John is named as his father on his birth certificate too.
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That what I though too aghadowey however John is named as his father on his birth certificate too.
What birth certificate? Alexander was born before the start of civil registration
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My mistake! I meant his marriage certificate to Mary McCurley
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Here is a snippet from his death certificate. I am reading the second wife as Lizzie McLulkin
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If Alexander's father died when he was young he might not have been sure about his first name but Alexander's 2nd wife was Lizzie McQulkin/McQuilkin (not McLulkin).
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Well yes that's a really good point.
I was struggling with the handwriting - thank you very much . I will go see if i can find her...
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Hi ,
When were the 2 sons Francis & Alexander born ?
How old was Mary McCurley when she married ?
ev
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There is a death for a Mary Henney(other surname McCurly) age 22 , 1876 Cathcart Lanark.
Just bringing this forward incase it's been overlooked/missed.
MCCURLY
MARY
22
1876
560/ 86
Cathcart (Lanark)
Annie
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Alexander is described as 'married' in 1901 ( ref Findmypast). May be nothing, but there is another Alexander Heaney, same age, occupation and place of birth, listed in Govan in 1901 with a wife called Lizzie. Could Alexander have been enumerated twice?
Can't see any obvious death for Lizzie between 1901 and 1916.
Isobel
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Alexr Heaney and wife Lizzie were living at 5 Gladstone Street, Hamilton in 1891 along with sons Francis and Alexander from his first marriage (Ancestry)
Isobel
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May McCurley perhaps died in childbirth then. Where is the death cert as I cant find it?
Thanks everyone so far...
P
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You haven't told us whether this is the correct person or not yet?
Death on SP
MCCURLY
MARY
22
1876
560/ 86
Cathcart (Lanark)
HENNEY
MARY
22
1876
560/ 86
Cathcart (Lanark)
Corresponding entry no.s which is both her married & maiden names.
Annie
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All married women in Scotland are registered/indexed by both married & maiden names i.e. you only need pay for 1
Annie
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Yes its the correct person
Both married name and maiden name are spelt incorrectly hence why I couldnt find them so thank you very much for doing that. No I just need to find out when he married Lizzie. Must have been between 1876 and 1891.
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I just need to find out when he married Lizzie. Must have been between 1876 and 1891.
If you don't find a marriage, don't be too surprised.
I have a couple who on their deaths were written 'married to x' or 'widow of x' but they were never married.
Do you know from census info. if Alexander & Lizzie had kids?
Annie
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Alexander Heaney married Elizabeth McQuilkin in 1877 in Ballymoney. Looks like the family may have returned to Ireland after Mary died as there is no sign of them in 1881 in Scotland.
Isobel
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Given the name of the informant, I wonder if this might be Lizzie's death?
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Alexander Heaney married Elizabeth McQuilkin in 1877 in Ballymoney. Looks like the family may have returned to Ireland after Mary died as there is no sign of them in 1881 in Scotland.
Isobel
From a free search on an online database it seems as though Elizabeth McQuilkin's father was William and Alexander Heaney's father was Hugh.
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Given the name of the informant, I wonder if this might be Lizzie's death?
David McQuilkin & wife Rose Ann
(COI) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dirraw/Tullaghans/945929
(Presbyterian) www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dirraw/Tullaghans/129648
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Alexander Heaney married Elizabeth McQuilkin in 1877 in Ballymoney. Looks like the family may have returned to Ireland after Mary died as there is no sign of them in 1881 in Scotland.
Isobel
Seems as though Alexander and Lizzie were back in Ireland (near her family) at least by 1911- married '30' years, no children and Lizzie (Elizabeth) is listed first which makes me wonder if they were living in same household or just happened to be there census night-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dirraw/Mullans/129618
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Yes its the correct person
Both married name and maiden name are spelt incorrectly hence why I couldnt find them so thank you very much for doing that.
Ev gave you this info. on reply #1.
I take no credit as I was only highlighting her original find & expanding on it to explain the indexing format on SP.
Annie
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I believe the name Eoin (not sure of 'correct' spelling) can be termed as Hugh/Ewen & even morphs into John although I have never worked out how/why ???
Annie
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You have all been amazing. I know for a fact I would never ever have found this information without you. I'm only good in straightforward situations and this is complicated.
Thank you all so much
P
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We haven't finished yet ;)
Checked Valuation Revision Books1894-1912 and 1913-1929 for Mullans townland without finding any Heaney household :-\ Possibly they were only in that house for a short time in 1911. As I thought, Mullans townland marches Tullaghans-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/finvoy/mullans/
What did surprise me was the size of the house- 7 rooms with 8 windows in front!
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001388197/
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In 1901 a Leslie Campbell was in the shop-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000297652/
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The information you have been able to give me is amazing .
I'm still a little puzzled so need more help - please - if you don't mind.
I've underlined the bits of the time line I still cant make sense of
1854 - Alexander Heaney born Ballymoney, Ireland - Baptised at Rasharkin RC Church
1873 - Married Mary McCurley - Cathcart, Glasgow
1874 - Son Francis born - Cathcart, Glasgow
1876 - Son Alexander born - Cathcart, Glasgow
1876 - Mary McCurley Heaney dies.
1877 - Marries Lizzie McQuilkin - Ballymoney , Ireland
1891 - On census at 5 Gladstone Street, Hamilton with Wife Lizzie and 2 sons Francis and Alex
1901 - On census at 37 Whitehill Road, Hamilton, Lanarkshire. Living with Mother and Step Brother Archibald McCallum as per the 1901 Census. Perhaps he was only visiting and happened to be recorded there?
1916 - Death - Cause: General Paralysis of the Insane - 5 Months
Ayr District Asylum. Dec 17 1916. Usual residence 44 Bridge Street, Stirling
If Lizzie died in 1916 in Ireland does that mean they were separated?
Sorry if im missing the obvious but I'm just trying to build his time line and understand it better.
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The truth of the matter is that we don't, and you may never, know what was going on between Alexander and 2nd wife Lizzie.
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I believe the name Eoin (not sure of 'correct' spelling) can be termed as Hugh/Ewen & even morphs into John although I have never worked out how/why ???
The Scots Gaelic equivalent of John is Iain. Ewan or Euan or Ewen etc is an anglicisation of the Gaelic name Eoghan, and also equivalent to Welsh Owen. Hugh is Uisdean in Scots Gaelic. Not too hard to get them all mixed up if you are only hearing them rather than spelling them (and we all know that there is no such thing as 'correct' spelling!) and you are unsure whether the person speaking them is speaking Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic or English!
See also http://www.whatsinaname.net/
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I believe the name Eoin (not sure of 'correct' spelling) can be termed as Hugh/Ewen & even morphs into John although I have never worked out how/why ???
The Scots Gaelic equivalent of John is Iain. Ewan or Euan or Ewen etc is an anglicisation of the Gaelic name Eoghan, and also equivalent to Welsh Owen. Hugh is Uisdean in Scots Gaelic. Not too hard to get them all mixed up if you are only hearing them rather than spelling them (and we all know that there is no such thing as 'correct' spelling!) and you are unsure whether the person speaking them is speaking Scots Gaelic, Irish Gaelic or English!
See also http://www.whatsinaname.net/
Thank you Forfarian,
Why did I not think of that ???
I can't even remember where I seen those differences but I definitely have in the past but never looked into it...just things we read ::)
Annie