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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Rosinish on Monday 22 May 17 03:11 BST (UK)
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I have found a relative at the above address in 1911;
Moorfield, Gosforth, Newcastle-upon-Tyne (no number or Street name) ???
George Lunn 49 (Ship Owner) with wife Charlotte (Reeves) 47
Children;
Winifred 1888
Charlotte Reeves 1889
George Ramsay 1890
William 1892
Jane 1893
Margaret c1898
Walter Noel 1900
Mary 1901
Charles Oswald c1904
They had 12 children born but only 9 surviving.
I haven't checked yet for any others than the ones I have so far.
I would like to know where this house is on a map please?
It's rather large with 12 rooms!
I can't find it on google or any maps I've looked at but I'm not the best with maps ::)
On the census pages, next to the left is Cedars, Gosforth
This property Moorfield
Then on the right side is Beechcroft then Brookfield then The cottage, Brookfield, Gosforth
I'd be so glad to see what this place looked like as the only thing I can find is a Care Home;
https://www.carehome.co.uk/carehome.cfm/searchazref/20004502MOOA
Any help appreciated.
Annie
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According to the 1911 census Moorfield was in this area https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/423856/566922/12/101116 south of Beechcroft
The Summary Book has in order of schedule Cedars, Moorfield, Beechcroft, Brookfield, Brookfield Lodge, and Park Villas, which you can see on the map.
This is the modern map https://goo.gl/maps/7bmUs9DHfTo
It looks like the Moorfield House Care Home is in the same location, but may not be the original house.
Stan
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This is Google Street View of the Moorfield Care Home https://goo.gl/maps/Px4csJKjjWw it might be a modern building built on the site of the original building, but if not then it was a large property.
Stan
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I used to live just around the corner from there - I live a little further north now.
Today, and since the 1960s when I first lived in the area, Moorfield was a street with large 3-4 storey terraced houses on the north side and an offshoot of the Town Moor and allotments to the south. Some of the houes are still single occupation but others are divided into flats.
A map to show where it is located:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=424715&y=567320&z=110&sv=424715,567320&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=767&ax=424715&ay=567320&lm=0
Gadget
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Strange - I've always known it s a road - the house/residential home is on the other side of the the A1.
As I'm local to the area, I'll go have a mosey around this afternoon, with camera :)
PS - it's not far from my dentist's!
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Moorfield is the name of a house,(In this case) not a road or street. It is nothing to do with the (Moorfield) street you link to.
Edited
Stan
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Stan
Please read my last post - Moorfield is both a house and a street.
i've been looking at the 1901 and the house was probably the same as Annie found was a Care home. Also note that I'm going around this afternoon to investigate. I live about 1/2 mile away.
Gadget
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Annie - you say:
I haven't checked yet for any others than the ones I have so far.
Do you mean children or George Lunns?
I've found a George Lunn in South Shields on the various censuses - same age.
Gadget
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This is Google Street View of the Moorfield Care Home https://goo.gl/maps/Px4csJKjjWw it might be a modern building built on the site of the original building, but if not then it was a large property.
Looking at the property to the right of the Moorfield Care Home, (looking from the road) i.e. 4, Kenton Road: the name on the extreme left-hand gatepost is 'Cedars' and this fits exactly with the name of the house next door to 'Moorfield' in the 1911 enumerators book.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01k50/
A google search reveals at the next one down the road (i.e. 2 Kenton Road) is also known as The Poplars, which also fits with the 1911 Enumerator Book.
These two properties appear to be much older, so perhaps give some flavour of what 'Moorfield' might have looked like :-\
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Enlarging Google maps to as large as possible, it looks s if the nursing home has a front end built on. Then going up the back road with Street view and looking west, it looks as if the back might well be the old house. As I said, I'll go around this afternoon and do a mosey, walk about. If anyone's around I might ask about it's history ;D
Ps - we pass the end of Kenton road a few times a week.
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Stan
Please read my last post - Moorfield is both a house and a street.
i've been looking at the 1901 and the house was probably the same as Annie found was a Care home. Also note that I'm going around this afternoon to investigate. I live about 1/2 mile away.
Gadget
I meant in reference to this query Moorfield was a house.
Stan
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it looks as if the back might well be the old house.
The map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/423856/566922/12/100509 shows the front of Moorside is in line with the front of the Cedars, as is the present building.
Stan
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it looks as if the back might well be the old house.
The map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/423856/566922/12/100509 shows the front of Moorside is in line with the front of the Cedars, as is the present building.
Stan
As I have said, I'm going around this afternoon and will give a more definite answer. From the details of the nursing home, there must have been a fair bit of building work as there are now 35 private rooms (21 with en suite). The current planning restrictions in the area don't permit building forward of the original frontage lines, so must be up/sideways or ???
A very large nursing home has just been built more or less opposite.
If I can, I'll try to find someone who may know of the history of the house.
Gadget
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Hi Folks,
Thanks to all for maps etc. I will have a good look at them but it does seem as though the Moorfield Nursing Home is in situ where my relatives house once was.
So, do I add Kenton Road as the Street name now?
Gadget,
I have a fair amount of info. on this family which I'm revisiting to add to my FTM.
I only found out there were missing births on the 1911 so not had a chance to look yet.
I've found a George Lunn in South Shields on the various censuses - same age.
He may well be a relative I haven't found yet? This is a large side of my tree with lots of interesting things I've gathered & probably more to find.
This particular George was 'Sir George Lunn' Lord Mayor of Newcastle (1915 - 1917) so I've had fun researching his life over the years.
Many thanks for taking the time to go & have a look!!
Annie
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Not sure when that part of the road was named Kenton Road. The earliest so far on maps is 1938, but assume it was earlier. At the time of the census many parts of that area was 'sub- addressed' Elmfield Park.
Given Stan's find of a 'for sale' in 1916, I'm not sure when it was sold, as an entry in the Gazette of 1919 has his address as Moorfield, Gosforth:
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31293/page/4887/data.pdf
Have you got an obituary for him - 1939? Maybe that would give his final address as Moorfield looks empty later on.
Gadget
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Just found an obit inThe Evening Chronicle which says he died at Moorfield. 'his Gosforth home'.
Added - and a notice to any creditors calling it 'Moorside'
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I've just returned. Had a look around and assessed that the buildng is fairly recent - say last 20-30 years. The gateposts and entrance door are the originals and I have enclosed pics of them. Also the building is much wider than No 4 and also goes back much further.
The latest info in newspapers that I've found is a ref to a National Savings employee living there in 1954.
The current building dates from 1988 when an application for the erection of a residential nursing home was made to Newcastle City Planning Dept.:
https://publicaccessapplications.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/propertyDetails.do?activeTab=relatedCases&keyVal=001AEXBSLI000
In particular, see:
https://publicaccessapplications.newcastle.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=8801565OUT
So, somewhere between 1954 and 1988 the house was demolished. The block of flats next door (add- Beechcroft) looks earlier (poss 1960s-70s).
Gadget
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Given Stan's find of a 'for sale' in 1916, I'm not sure when it was sold, as an entry in the Gazette of 1919 has his address as Moorfield, Gosforth:
I have deleted that as I am not sure it is the same building, the number of rooms don't match, and it says Apply, 3 Newlands Road, which is off Moorfield Road.
Stan
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Newcastle Local Studies on the 6th floor of Newcastle City Library hold the 'Ward's Directory of Newcastle Etc. 1911-1912'
This records:
'Kenton Road.
Begins at Old Grand Stand, Town moor
KENTON LODGE
Holzapfel M. composition mnfr
KENTON LODGE FARM
Hudspeth J. farmer
THE POPLARS
Vaughan W. S con engineer
THE CEDARS
Mosely H. bank manager
MOORFIELD
Lunn, G shipowner
BEECHCROFT
Gregory A iron merchant
PARKSIDE
Ball A. F. elec. engineer
Grand Stand Skating Rink'
I hope this is of help. :)
Best Wishes from RTL
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Given Stan's find of a 'for sale' in 1916, I'm not sure when it was sold, as an entry in the Gazette of 1919 has his address as Moorfield, Gosforth:
I have deleted that as I am not sure it is the same building, the number of rooms don't match, and it says Apply, 3 Newlands Road, which is off Moorfield Road.
Stan
Yep - noticed the Newlands Road and did wonder.
The planning info is interesting - not sure when it stopped being a residential house though - only that it was pre-1988. It was probably registered if it was late OO, so deeds might well not exist - my solicitor friends say that they're not obliged to keep them in their dusty stores if registered!
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Excellent on the spot sleuthing Gadget :D
It would be nice to know what the old house looked like. Interesting that they kept the old front door.
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I've had a look at all the old pics of Gosforth sites but nothing there. That area was/is the 'posh' bit of Gosforth so maybe they didn't take pics!
I'm pretty familiar with the Moorfield (street) area as I've delivered many leaflets in that area in the past few years ;D
I'm at Gosforth Lbrary tomorrow for my class so might ask if there are any photo resources there.
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There is an longish article in the Morpeth Herald dated Friday 29 August 1913 titled
'TESTIMONIAL TO EVANGELISTS'
This article concerns the widefelt sympathy about having to lay off two evangelists in the local area. An appeal was set up. The article concludes:
'There is no doubt but that the appeal will be handsomely responded to. The treasurer to the testimonial fund is Mr. R. H. Millican, Croft Glass Works, and the secretaries Councillor George Lunn, Moorfield, Gosforth and Mr J. Ferguson, Thursby Elm Grove, Forest Hall.'
Best Wishes :)
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The 1914 Ward's Directory records that Lunn Geo. (L & Maccoy); r Moorfield, Gosforth
The 1930 Ward's Directory records that at Kenton Road, MOORFIELD lived
Lunn, Sir G. Shipowner (T.42)
These directories can also be viewed at Newcastle library. I ran out of time to look at any more directories. However, this shows that the building was still a private home then in 1930.
Best Wishes :)
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. However, this shows that the building was still a private home then in 1930.
Hi RTL
If you read through previous postings, you'll see that it was a private residence in 1939 and again in 1954. In 1988 planning was granted to builfd a residential home.
Gadget
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Thanks everyone & Gadget (for your trek & pics) ;D
Hope the weather was better than here?
Looks like I could be on this line for a while but good to know where he lived regardless of the fact it's no longer 'that' house :(
Gadget,
The original post with 'Moorfield' on it, it looks to have an indent where there was possibly a gate, am I right?
It looks very grand & the front entrance looks lovely indeed, love the stonework & colour.
Stan,
I'm unable to see anything on this link, have to 'Log in with username & password' but I don't see anything to join if not a member?
The map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/423856/566922/12/100509 shows the front of Moorside is in line with the front of the Cedars, as is the present building.
RTL,
Thanks for this, I didn't have it but it's interesting as George's son George married Beatrice MacCoy i.e. this may be her father Thomas & possibly how Geo. Jnr. met his future wife?
The 1914 Ward's Directory records that Lunn Geo. (L & Maccoy); r Moorfield, Gosforth
Jen,
Indeed, a great help & interesting as you say about keeping the original entrance just a pity they hadn't kept the rest & extended it if it wasn't big enough ::) Hopefully something of the original will turn up somewhere :-\
Excellent on the spot sleuthing Gadget :D
It would be nice to know what the old house looked like. Interesting that they kept the old front door.
Many thanks folks,
Annie
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I'm unable to see anything on this link, have to 'Log in with username & password' but I don't see anything to join if not a member?
The map at https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/423856/566922/12/100509 shows the front of Moorside is in line with the front of the Cedars, as is the present building.
Annie, I am not a subscriber to Old Maps, but the link opens perfectly for me. Try reducing the zoom level a bit.
just a pity they hadn't kept the rest & extended it if it wasn't big enough ::)
I would think that an old building such as that might not be suitable for conversion to modern standards.
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Hi. My first post on rootschat! This link takes you to an aerial photograph in 1929. You can see a little of Moorfield from above at least. [url][/https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/EPW026653]. Looking at the left hand side of the frame, Moorfield is the third house from the top. Picture EPW026652 shows the same houses from a slightly different angle. There are quite a few other shots of the gosforth area.