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Title: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Wednesday 24 May 17 14:22 BST (UK)
I want to order 2 death certificates from the Ontario Government website.  I don't have a credit card so opted to mail the application with an International Money Order.  They said for anyone outside Canada they Order must be made out in Canadian dollars and drawn on a Canadian clearing house.   I asked Natwest bank to provide me with an Order but they said they can't do that without the receiving person's Swift and Iban number.  I got back to the Canadian website but the lady there said I didn't need those details for the Order.  I'm tearing my hair out!   I've already printed out the stamp to go to Canada and must use it by tonight.

Has anyone ever used an International Money Order to another country successfully and, if so, how did you manage to do it please?

Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 24 May 17 14:43 BST (UK)
I haven't used a money order but might I suggest if there is a family member who has a credit card they could order them for you and then you reimburse them. 
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 24 May 17 14:47 BST (UK)
Or would a debit card be preferable?

Something to do with charges I think with credit cards?

Annie
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 24 May 17 14:51 BST (UK)
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I got back to the Canadian website but the lady there said I didn't need those details for the Order.  I'm tearing my hair out!   

Ask her for them anyway!  I'm sure the bank knows best what it does or doesn't need. 
Hope you get something sorted out  :)
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Wednesday 24 May 17 14:55 BST (UK)
She also said she regularly receives Orders from England without supplying any details.


Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 24 May 17 15:15 BST (UK)
A suggestion,

Can you take the cash to another bank & have one made out although I think there's an added cost?

Annie
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Wednesday 24 May 17 15:18 BST (UK)
Thanks for the suggestion Annie.  I will find out if that's possible. 


Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 24 May 17 15:22 BST (UK)
Good luck,

What a carry on  ::)

Annie
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 24 May 17 15:43 BST (UK)
I want to order 2 death certificates from the Ontario Government website.  I don't have a credit card so opted to mail the application with an International Money Order.  They said for anyone outside Canada they Order must be made out in Canadian dollars and drawn on a Canadian clearing house.   I asked Natwest bank to provide me with an Order but they said they can't do that without the receiving person's Swift and Iban number.  I got back to the Canadian website but the lady there said I didn't need those details for the Order.  I'm tearing my hair out!   I've already printed out the stamp to go to Canada and must use it by tonight.

Has anyone ever used an International Money Order to another country successfully and, if so, how did you manage to do it please?

Susan

I think you might be confused and talking about 2 different things  :-\

International Money Order should be available from Post Office, etc.

International money transfers are something else- see Natwest's page-
http://www.natwestinternational.com/nw/personal-banking/travel-and-international/g50/international-payments/making-payments.ashx
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Wednesday 24 May 17 15:47 BST (UK)
Thanks aghadowey

I'll look into that suggestion.

Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: eileenwilson on Saturday 27 May 17 02:13 BST (UK)
International money orders are available from banks and post offices.  The SWIFT and IBAN numbers are for money transfers which are two different things.  Buy yourself a pre-paid credit card that you use only for these kinds of online purchases.
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 27 May 17 02:24 BST (UK)
Buy yourself a pre-paid credit card that you use only for these kinds of online purchases.

That sounds a handy tool  ;D

Can you please advise how to go about getting one as I've never heard of them & incase it matters where one lives, I'm in Scotland.

Annie
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: eileenwilson on Saturday 27 May 17 02:47 BST (UK)
Not sure about in Scotland, but here in Canada, we can buy them in almost every store -- both VISA and Mastercard that come in designated amounts -- $100 etc.

Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 27 May 17 02:57 BST (UK)
I think the OP is in England?

I will check it out when I get time to consult Mr. Google.

Thanks for that.

Annie
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 05:56 BST (UK)
I cannot get a credit card as I am retired on a much lower income.  I applied recently and was turned down.



Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 27 May 17 07:14 BST (UK)
I cannot get a credit card as I am retired on a much lower income.  I applied recently and was turned down.
Susan

It would seem that you haven't done any looking into this online. A pre-paid credit card is not like a 'normal' credit card. Think of it more like a gift card- you put a certain amount in and cannot spend more than that amount (until you add more money) so you are using your money. With a 'normal' credit card you are spending money and then paying it back (which is why you nee credit checks, etc.).
Google 'prepaid credit card uk' to see lots of information. This site compares some of them to give you an idea of set up/monthly charges (which vary greatly), etc.-
http://www.money.co.uk/prepaid-cards.htm?track=283920&creative=163181389671&network=s&placement=&adpos=1t2&gclid=CMasmsi1j9QCFc4V0wod-I0M5A
One thing to keep in mind is what method you'll use to top it up. Many of them just require comfirmation of U.K. address.
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 07:45 BST (UK)
Thanks for the information and link.  Only tried for a credit card to see if it was possible(!).

Have to confirm first if the Canada Gov site does definitely accept pre-paid credit cards.



Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: carol8353 on Saturday 27 May 17 07:56 BST (UK)
Can't you get a family member or friend to put it on their credit card and you pay them cash once they know the exact cost once converted?
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 07:58 BST (UK)
Afraid not, because, amazingly, no-one in the family has a credit card.


Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 27 May 17 09:10 BST (UK)
Another name for a prepaid credit card is a debit card.

Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 09:14 BST (UK)
Thanks hurworth.  I was afraid it would be considered a debit card.  The Canadian Gov website definitely doesn't take debit cards of any sort.



Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 27 May 17 09:30 BST (UK)
I got back to the Canadian website but the lady there said I didn't need those details for the Order.  I'm tearing my hair out!   
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Ask her for them anyway!  I'm sure the bank knows best what it does or doesn't need. 
Hope you get something sorted out  :)

I would go back to your original plan then and get the details the bank needs to progress the order :)
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 09:36 BST (UK)
Thanks Milliepede

How to get her to reveal the details?  She must think I'm a fraudster!


Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jaybelnz on Saturday 27 May 17 09:52 BST (UK)
You might find a MasterCard Cash Passport a handy thing for overseas payments!  It's a card that you just use in the usual way, paying online, in a shop,  using money machine, or Bank teller. You prepay and can load it with many different currencies of your choice!  Especially great for travel. I used it all the time when I was travelling in the UK.  You can also use it for online purchases. You can also change the currencies if you wish!  You will get 2 cards, different numbers, in case of loss of one.

I could have saved myself almost $50 Bank fees on my bank account when I applied to my bank for a money transfer to a UK Museum bank account!  This was to purchase a book, the price of which was about £5 sterling, plus postage and packing to NZ. Ludicrous, especially considering that I was in UK at the Museum only a month later!

Here's a link - read about the Cash Passport.  It can usually be set up for you at your own bank!  Might be worthwhile for you.

http://www.cashpassport.com/1/global-landing-page/

When I came back from my UK trip, I still had quite a bit left in there, and I've purchased 2 marriage certs, and one death cert in UK since then!

Good luck with your purchase, whichever way you choose.
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 09:59 BST (UK)
Thanks jaybelnz

Everyone is so helpful on rootschat.

I will post back when I have looked into all the options.

I need some death certificates from the US - wonder if they will be hard to obtain?!


Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 27 May 17 12:09 BST (UK)

Everyone is so helpful on rootschat.

We SO are!
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: eileenwilson on Saturday 27 May 17 12:37 BST (UK)
If  you use a prepaid credit card, the person accepting it doesn't know what kind of card it is -- a regular or a prepaid card. From their perspective, it's just a credit card.
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 12:42 BST (UK)
Thanks Eileen

That's good to know, and obviously the best way to proceed. 

Susan
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: Dyingout on Saturday 27 May 17 13:29 BST (UK)
Prepaid are classed as credit card The numbers start with a 5 which is Credit card classification. Debit cards start with a 4.
Title: Re: How to pay someone in Canada for a death certificate
Post by: jazzycat12 on Saturday 27 May 17 13:31 BST (UK)
Dyingout

Thanks for that clarification.


Susan